Muscle Building with Testosterone Cypionate & Diacetylmorphine

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Have any bodybuilders, Bluelighters or fitness trainers used diacetylmorphine and testosterone cypionate together during a muscle building cycle and seen measurable results?? The testosterone for recovery and building mass, the diacetylmorphine for analgesic recovery and "enhanced" workouts.

Test Cyp is considered the king of steroids and H the king of euphoric analgesics.
If meal-timing, mega-caloric intake, quality sleeping patterns, clean nutrition and advanced training are all consistent then could tangible results be seen and measured post-cycle?? Yes, a rather broad question considering age and genetics also involved here (a middle-aged male, 50yrs, height 5'10", 190lbs, been weight & strength training four years, including cardio, latest blood tests all normal).

Experienced replies if possible. Doctors, MD's, fitness trainers or professional bodybuilders strongly encouraged to reply. Thanks in advance.

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The heroin will not result in additional gains. In fact, the heroin will most likely reduce your overall gains due reduced food intake. Also, the ensuing withdrawal from daily heroin use will make quick work of any gains you may have accumulated from the test. Keep in mind, daily heroin will supress natural testosterone production, which is not a big deal on cycle, but post-cycle this may prove more problematic.

This being said, there would be nothing inherently wrong with heroin usage during a steroid cycle if you limited it to low-moderate doses, during the evenings only, and no more than 4-5 times a week (easier said than done). This is all assuming that heroin does not make you vomit and that you can still eat properly on it. Like many opioids, heroin can cause cravings for carbohydrates....
 
Get clean before you decide to run a cycle. If your using heroin, you are not ready for an aas cycle. It's that simple.
 
what negro said above is true.

You won't be able to hold onto your gains, as ime, heroin shrinks your balls (shuts you down somewhat)...pulling yourself out of your cycle with PCT while you're fighting off cravings to slam some dope are not going to help you retain any of the hard-earned muscle you managed to pull off.

Plus, heroin DRASTICALLY slows down your metabolism. So much so that sometimes you skip DAYS taking a shit. That will slow down drastically nutrient shuttling to your muscles and they will basically be starving for nutes that you can't stomach holding down (cause of the smack).

Its a dumb idea to combine test and smack. It will result in your gaining some weight during the cycle and then losing most if not all of it when your balls don't kick back up to size after PCT.

And you'll be left with a nasty heroin addiction. :\

ps - In my opinion its a dumb idea to combine almost any drugs with testosterone. You should run test + your ancillaries and thats it. No alcohol, no stims, no opiates, preferably even no marijuana (it disrupts sleep cycles).

Although the last one is still up in the air imo since it really stimulates appetite which when you're on test can be EASILY handled as most of the nutrients get shuttled to your muscles for repair and not stored as fat.
 
Also unless your doing speed balls(please don't actually try to) there is no way your going to be able to drag your ass into the gym. To name a few effects respiratory depression, GI spasm, central nervous system depressant, alters the endocrine and autonomic nervous systems, insomnia etc .. etc... I cant imagine wanting to work out on heroin.
 
^ well, to be fair, most heroin users are pretty good at keeping their use isolated to a certain time of day (nighttime for me and my friends who were in it). It was surprisingly easy to only inject once a night after the duties of the day was done. It was terribly surprisingly hard though to not have that one injection per night.

But, along enough of a timeline if the user doesn't manage to get themselves off of the shit, then yes you're right they will start injecting during the day (to keep away the dope sickness).
 
I used to shoot speedballs, from age 16-21, I was hoplessly hooked. sold everything I owned, lost everything. eating at soup kitchens, stealing to support my habit, homeless. when things were good and i had plenty of it around, it is not unreasonable to say that I went weeks without taking a shit. At 21, I went into yet another halfway house and sobered up. i got a gym membership and thats what I started doing with my spare time. when i was 29, i decided to try steroids: test cyp, deca, equipoise. heroin and steroids dont mix, two different worlds. but since you are already that far, why not? you've got nothing to lose by adding steroids.
 
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you've got nothing to lose by adding steroids
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Terrible advice. Besides pissing away money on dope, why not piss away some more on steroids. Getting no benefit from either. Just plain foolish.
 
Whatchamacallit said:
Terrible advice. Besides pissing away money on dope, why not piss away some more on steroids. Getting no benefit from either. Just plain foolish.
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wow, with all the sarcasm dripping off that last bit about having nothing to lose, you would think I wouldn't have to spell it out for you
 
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Yeah, but you do. You really can't assume people will get that stuff on the internet drug discussion boards.

After all, it was the OP's idea to do it in the first place. And hes already distancing himself from reality by referring to heroin as diacetylmorphine so your post would probably seem like a straight endorsement.
 
heroin will not help your gains.. but using something recreationally on occasion will not harm your gains (not that I have noticed anyways).
 
Many folks here are slamming opiates for lowering testosterone levels.

While this is true, the drug does compensate by increasing endurance and resistance to pain. Which would help a lot in high volume training. Also, the lowered metabolism would help you gain quicker.

Still, heroin is a bitch drug that can burn in hell. Fuck H.
 
^god knows the world of bbing was overflowing with nubain a few years ago.

I agree that H will help with pain issues and will slow metabolism - BUT generally it causes a bit of nausea and anorexia so keeping cals up (vital during a cycle) will become hard. Plus it would be all to easy to fall into a - "should I go to the gym or should I shoot some more H?" mentality.
 
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"should I go to the gym or should I shoot some more H?"
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Lol...

If anything is wrong with the OP's idea of mixing opioids and bbing, it's that he picked the wrong opioid. To me, H has always been more of a drowsy, dopey (pun intended) opioid. Plus, the withdrawals tend to set in faster, and be considerably worse than those from other opioids.

I think a better choice would be--and not to advocate taking narcotics--something like LOW dose oxycodone. Like, 2.5 mg for someone without tolerance. Even if the dosage were upped to 5 mg, the withdrawals would be negligable, as would the nausea.

Another option would be to save the narcotic for a particularly brutal day, like legs.
 
Heroin not only slows down your metabolism it also effects your digestive system. This makes your body much more inefficient at processing meat, fish, poulty, and dairy protein. If you don't get enough nutrients you certainly aren't going to gain anywhere near as much, so it seems to me that you would just be wasting the roids.
-GIJ
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http://www.restoreunity.org/skin_fat_muscle_breakdown.htm
 
Binge Artist said:
Many folks here are slamming opiates for lowering testosterone levels.

While this is true, the drug does compensate by increasing endurance and resistance to pain. Which would help a lot in high volume training. Also, the lowered metabolism would help you gain quicker.

Still, heroin is a bitch drug that can burn in hell. Fuck H.
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its not that we are bashing opiates, its just those of us who use steroids know how dedicated you have to be to make worthwhile gains. we also know being high really fucks with your ability to lift properly and safely.
 
Yes!!!

I have been using test cyp fo nearly 3 months.....i will IM 1ml 100mg three times a week and with proer diet and a vigourous, yry focused and calccukatrd workout...i have noticed TREMENDOUS improvementas is total mass and rvrn noticed my preious wee little willy has finally began to look and make me fell im a man who cant be stopped in the sack.....lol personal commentary...anyways yes i found it to be wonderful....when i first startrd i was doing 50mg (.5) ml dailt now ido 100 mg (1) ml every friday before my routine and it made the world odf diffrence for me!!!!! hope this helped....
 
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