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Esoteric [Ego-Death Subthread] How to achieve it

sorry, don't have the time to read the whole thread

If the ego is gone, then there should be no way of confirming what is occuring. Unless the ego is still there?
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that's the point about ego death, that there's still consciousness

if you're really drunk for instance, you may not remember your name or what's happening. but that's just being fucked up
with ego death, you're not aware of your ego (what you are, your history, the world you live in, etc.) but you're very aware of the experience itself
(it's a bit of the same as comparision between amnesia and inconsciousness)

also, the short answer is "k-hole"
- "How can 'ego death' be experienced?"
- in a k-hole :)
 
Vegan I agree with what is said but I think k-holes are quite contrare to ego death. Disassociatives tend to cause one to fall back into their own consciousness. Complete annihilation of all bodily care and the mind takes over. This comes from my own experiences atleast... k-holing seems to put me somewhere very familiar, into my own mind. Psychedelics like mescaline, acid, etc tend to be more external in nature, causing you to view the world differently, while disassociatives are more internal.

Novum, you make some valid points. Your ego is something built and manipulated over time. On a previous trial of 2C-E, not my ego death one, I was able to source each and every component of myself. I was able to disect my ego bit by bit... seeing what made me become who I am today.

Perhaps we can think of our ego as a schemata of sorts. The schemata is created from our first motor-sensory input when we are born and manipulated as we age. An ego death would be the tearing down of this schemata, causing us to feel like a new born in a sense...just pure,raw existing, as was noted above.

The argument about destiny is probably fit for starting another thread, so I won't go into that here. It is a bit more philosophical in nature, where as the ego subject is a bit more psychological.
 
I like to think of ego as your grasp on reality. You get ego loss or death by taking enough to leave you not knowing where you are (when you lose touch with reality, you lose your ego basically). The reason why ego loss is interesting is that your unconcious can come to the surface with more ease and you tend to find out things about yourself that you did not know/realize.
 
I truely understand now, due to some very informative descriptions. Ego death is the discarding of all aspects that you previously believed defined you. However, i would argue that you should still have a clear idea of who you are under all the aspects of your ego. While tripping, you should be able to accept that many aspects of who you are, are forced or at least partially created by external factors. However, you should still know who you are on a very fundamental level. For example, i acknoledged on mushrooms that i am very friendly, loving, caring, sensitive, emotional etc...beyond all my problems, and beyond all external factors. I knew this before, but i really felt like i was in touch with the extent to which these factors and others defined me.

I don't think i could ever experience ego death because i still have these adjectives to describe who i am
 
I think once you truely exprience it, you just realize what it is. It's not something that can be entirely explained in the realm of reality.
 
Dancan:

Can you think of it this way? You disolved who you were, and then reassembled yourself. But the difference is this: with psychadelics you made a fundemental choice to imprint/accept/own some very good values; after ego death one can consciously direct the reassembly of the self. The mystic state is very similar to the psychadelic state. The Western mystery tradition calls this process:

solve et coagula---disolve and reform. It is the ultimate formula for growth, but growth directed by your true self, and not by historical/environmental accident.
 
Dancan said:
I don't think i could ever experience ego death because i still have these adjectives to describe who i am
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It's impossible to comprehend unless it's happening, but during ego death, there is no "I" to know these adjectives. But do realize that the vast majority of psychedelic experiences you have aren't going to contain ego death. Most trips will alter your ego in some way due to realizations, but will fail to obliterate it. generally when ego death occurs, it is referred to as a peak experience once you come back, one of those rare Shulgin +4 ratings that will forever stick out in your mind as being a defining moment in your life.

It's a very humbling experience and truly cannot be explained with words. Though it can be fun to discuss! :D
 
I would also like to note that the three times I have encountered ego death in my life, I was not fully aware of it at all until I came out of it.
 
The more I read about this phenomenon, the more I am captivated by the idea.

I'm unsure of whether people can experience this on other psychedelics, but I'm under the impression it is only LSD, and this is certainly what I would be using.

What kinds of Set/Setting has helped people achieve this in the past? Is it something you can only experience while not trying to? Looking for both stories and advice.

Thanks guys. :)
 
Plenty of threads out there on that slipperiest of slippery of beasts, the fabled "ego-death," MM. Tis an elusive one, to be sure... Not necessarily an enjoyable way to spend a night either sometimes...

Can be achieved on any psyches in any number of situations but usually when least sought after, in my experience. Kinda sneaks up on you and slaps you around a bit when you least expect it ;)
 
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Well I guess Im not one to talk but from all my collected research i say to increase the chance of an ego death just increase the dose and lie down. althought this could be very advice so dont take immediate action before someone elaborates or corrects me on this
 
I sometimes wish i didn't experience this as much as i do.. sometimes i just want to be stoned or tripping, but usually end up going through the process of ego-death. I've personally found the best way to put this experience into effect is by been on your own without any distractions (ie: TV, Music, People) because you'll start to pick apart your personality.

As shambles said, its not necessarily the most pleasant way to spend a night. I've had a few different experience's with ego-death.. some mild and some extremely intense beyond words. The first few times i experienced it i was on my own.. and since then it's kind of just snuck up on me without me expecting it.

I've experienced it on LSD for the most part. But strangely enough Marijuana on its own has caused it to happen the last two times.. with OEV's. (This is after weeks of tripping though)
 
malakaix said:
I sometimes wish i didn't experience this as much as i do.. sometimes i just want to be stoned or tripping, but usually end up going through the process of ego-death. I've personally found the best way to put this experience into effect is by been on your own without any distractions (ie: TV, Music, People) because you'll start to pick apart your personality.

As shambles said, its not necessarily the most pleasant way to spend a night. I've had a few different experience's with ego-death.. some mild and some extremely intense beyond words. The first few times i experienced it i was on my own.. and since then it's kind of just snuck up on me without me expecting it.

I've experienced it on LSD for the most part. But strangely enough Marijuana on its own has caused it to happen the last two times.. with OEV's. (This is after weeks of tripping though)
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yah i agree the only way to truly know a psychidelic besides what tv show u shud watch whille on it is to do it alone,with no distractions, and than u really get a sense of the drug and urself, for example, drugs such as DMT can be done with a tv on or whatever, it wont bother you, psychidelic phase out everything else at the right dose and thats where ego death is, but u can reach it at much lower doses through isolation, isolation tanks are basically a guarantee btw but expensive
 
I never look for ego death, it finds me. Usually from taking to much. Mushrooms I found ego death to be much more profound for some reason compared to lsd.

Tripping hard by yourself will lead you to some wild thoughts

I always get the reoccuring "I am part of a bigger whole" jumbo
 
Mystery Brew said:
I never look for ego death, it finds me. Usually from taking to much. Mushrooms I found ego death to be much more profound for some reason compared to lsd.

Tripping hard by yourself will lead you to some wild thoughts

I always get the reoccuring "I am part of a bigger whole" jumbo
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yah, expecting something in a trip can be misleading, overwhelming, and downright dissapointing depending on what ur expecting. just let it take you is good advice from this guy. you can only set up where u start, u can never control where you're going.
 
Shambles said:
You are now officially a Bluelighter, Stray :D

Takes a lil while for the tag under your name to catch up though. Now go kill your ego to celebrate or summat ;)
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hahahah, i just thought of a cool term. ego murderer-a psychidelic that is notorious for ego deaths

for example-"LSD is a serial ego murderer you better watch out at that dose"

hahaha, mmaybe ill put that on urban dictionary. anyways, will celebrate by putting mugwort under my pillow tonight, its all i have at hand :)
 
The little tiny tiny fraction of a fraction of a temporal spark inside of a person that helps them get over something ridiculously embarrasing is the natural moment of ego death. It helps all people move forward past ego-induced blockages, but is so small that people don't notice it happening.

Just a wierd theory. Came up with that with a friend one night, as a conclusion to a discussion on the whole ego death thing.

Or a proper dose of DMT if you want a more full on sustained action without having a person make an ass of you. Something that makes you lose reference points to reality, which I've never really had a typical, long acting psych do. But a DMT flash takes all reference to the body and percieving mind away from it, to me anyway. The body and mind* are both manifestations of the ego, so to take the reference of consciousness away from the mind and body, one's ego and consciousness are seperated. I guess that's redundant because the ego is not so much killed, but just deconstructed. Ego death to me sort of means the ego is done for good, you know, dead. In strong psychedelic experiences, the ego is just shed for a little while, and the ego being a fundamental element in the manifestation of mind and body is fundamental to survival so the moment it dies is also the moment the physical self, body and all dies.

I did have this phenomenon happen from a megadose of mushrooms once, but for the most part I think it would be an impractical thing to try to induce on a long-lived psychedelic like LSD or psilocybin. It was frightening as hell, I might add, and caused me to go on a psychedelic hiatus for a good while after it happened.

*as differentiated from consciousness. certain Sanskrit terms work better than English for What I'm trying to say, but I don't have the space nor the energy/will to explain them here.
 
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