Mephedrone Megathread

[angelsmoke]

I was fearing more for my heart due to the massive porn indulgence and orgasm-frustration that ensued the first few times I tried it, rather than the to-be-expected heightened pulse and levels of excitement you would get from any stimulant.

Haha - yes, that didn't sound fun to be honest. Maybe it was at the time.... but it sound like one of those 'gone slightly wrong' drug experiences if I'm honest.

 

[Ceres]

I found it had a definate empathic element to it, and it certainly made me seek out people to talk to on the phone/internets etc and blabber a stream of madness at them, it made me a bit too lucid and revealing in what I said a lot of the time aswell. I once spent hours talking to various people online and the whole time I was saying "ill be back in 2mins i need to go outside for a cigarette", it was about 5 hours until I eventually did get outside for a smoke.

Novelty seems to be a big factor, I couldn't focus on any one thing for long and found myself constantly switching between a handful of different things/people that were distracting me...

TBH I didn't enjoy eating it much, I found methylone much better eating it then topping up with some lines of mephedrone afterwards....

 

[Ceres]

Haha - yes, that didn't sound fun to be honest. Maybe it was at the time.... but it sound like one of those 'gone slightly wrong' drug experiences if I'm honest.

yeah it was fun at the time but I pretty much did myself an injury and watched every single piece of pornography on the entire internet in the process. It wasn't even that satisfying when I finally came. Definately learned a lesson there heh.

 

[angelsmoke]

Edit > How many sentences can I end with "though"? I guess I am still pretty mashed.

Whoops, I seem to have written a lot. I guess this is a sociable drug and I wanna chatter!

I decided to try wanking too - but looks like orgasm eludes girls too. Not that I tried very hard - nothing was happening and I couldn't really be bothered. I think if my boyfriend were here I'd very much like to have sex with him though. Closeness and cuddliness and love and stuff though.
Girls are all different though, so don't let me put you off using it as a sex enhacey thing.

I noticed something ugh though - the veins arteries? capilliaries? some blood thing) are all showing. I don't think they are veins (they're purple) or arteries, but my skin has gone all mottled and purple. I think it's a body-trying-to-cool itself down thing. KIinda makes me thing maybe this isn't a great club drug - I've just been sitting here and I'm overheating (hands still cold, rest of me very hot but feels cold.

I'd freak out, but this happens sometimes with mdma too. Usually in the bath afterwards. Think it's worse with mdma (but that might be because I have mdma tripovision).
Anyway, I expect it's probably nothing to worry about, just body cooling self. This happen to anyone else? Apart from the guy who ended up in A&E - I don't wanna hear about that! Do let me know if you think it could be worth worrying about. My heart rate is still up, but it's not insane (let's see if I can count again): 100bpm. That's not as bad as I thought.

It's now 2 hours since I snorted, and I'm still feeling very speedy. I feel good, but not euphoric. I'm actually not that tempted to have more (I really thought I would be). No way I'll be able to sleep yet though, so I guess I'll see if it gets any more fiendish.

Edit - whoa whoa - how did it get to be 12.30? Have I really need sitting here bobbing around for ... hours?

 

[Shambles]

How many sentences can I end with "though"?

I think if my boyfriend were here I'd very much like to have sex with him though... Closeness and cuddliness and love and stuff though... Girls are all different though... I noticed something ugh though... No way I'll be able to sleep yet though...

Quite a fair few by the looks of it, Angel :D

The bulgy veins thing is nothing to worry about - just the body pumped up a lil and cooling down a lil more. Possibly combined with the effects of a bit of sly wanking and bobbing on the side

 

[Ceres]

Once the initial euphoria leaves you, it does leave you with a boring stimulation that keeps you awake, you can take another line and get another rush but it's just putting off the inevitable and I regularly ended up finding myself still awake by 8 in the morning, and quite often ended up just not sleeping atall and keeping myself awake another 18+ hours just by having little bumps of it through the day - it's a waste of time and mephedrone though and totally exhausting afterwards.

I did worry a few times after reading about peoples knees turning purple etc but tbh if you get anxious on any drug and get an idea into your head that maybe there is some physical symptom manifesting itself, it's easy to convince yourself that something is going wrong. I've terrified myself numerous times on shrooms by spending a bit too long looking at the veins and skin on my arms...

Mephedrone always makes me feel cold initially.

I find having a couple of vodkas or brandys or something helps with that ambivalent stimulated state it leaves you in when you want to try and get to sleep.

 

[angelsmoke]

Quite a fair few by the looks of it, Angel :D

Heh - that wasn't intentional btw. I just babbled, then when I reread I saw how many sentences I had ended with "though". It's not like I set myself a challenge to end all my sentences with though. I don't know why I edited that to the top and not the bottom.

The bulgy veins thing is nothing to worry about - just the body pumped up a lil and cooling down a lil more. Possibly combined with the effects of a bit of sly wanking and bobbing on the side

Noticed that the bobbing has got a bit more like a tense rocking. Shoulders are getting a bit sore from being tense. Not sure when that happened - I don't *feel* tense, just seem to have been hunching my shoulders. [edit:1.52] my neck is now really quite painfully stiff. Just muscle tension cos when I move/stretch it feels better. If you can remember to it's probably good consciously relax sometimes. That said, I guess most people don't do this crouched over a computer. I have no friends

This goes on for much longer than I expected it to. Still having a good time, but now I could almost believe I'm not mashed. Still short attention span, still chewing/gurning. Trying to engage my slightly reticent friend on MSN. She enjoys pills n stuff too, so I told her what I was up to. That might have been a mistake actually... since we hardly talk any more, then I decide to start chatting to her when I'm mashed. I guess that makes me a user (of people, not of drugs).

Should I stop rambling so much? I can edit my posts to contain just <potentially> useful info if you want. This isn't really very informative. Just babble.

Hm, I think I'm coming down a bit. I still feel speeded and good -- but definitely getting a touch of paranoia. But if my friend had said "fuck off, I hate you" or if you guys say "you are rambling too much" I know that's fine. Empathy and warmth, but definitely tinged with a little of expecting the worst.

I'm not sure what's going on with my legs either - they're very purple and mottled Like I said, this happens with mdma too, but i'm pretty sure not this severe. I say 'severe' rather than 'bad' because it doesn't actually look.... like trouble.

 

[angelsmoke]

Once the initial euphoria leaves you, it does leave you with a boring stimulation that keeps you awake, you can take another line and get another rush but it's just putting off the inevitable and I regularly ended up finding myself still awake by 8 in the morning, and quite often ended up just not sleeping atall and keeping myself awake another 18+ hours just by having little bumps of it through the day - it's a waste of time and mephedrone though and totally exhausting afterwards.

Yeah. I have a little bit left out still (well, actually, the whole bag is out, but a little bit is left from the last line. Hmmm.

It'd be nice to have some more euphoria, but you're right, this stimulation could get boring after a while. I take mdma maybe once a month and speed/coke maybe twice a year...and don't do anything else, so actually buzzy excess energy thing without euphoria is still quite fun for me.

A few mins ago I really wanted some more, but decided I wouldn't. I'm not that fussed now... I really don't want to be awake for another... however many hours. I don't mind if this stuff keeps me up for longer, but i don't want to inflict more on myself.

I did worry a few times after reading about peoples knees turning purple etc but tbh if you get anxious on any drug and get an idea into your head that maybe there is some physical symptom manifesting itself, it's easy to convince yourself that something is going wrong. I've terrified myself numerous times on shrooms by spending a bit too long looking at the veins and skin on my arms...

Hehe. I've also scared myself with my veins on shrooms . And on mdma, my blotchy skin jumps out in contrasts and looks really "OH MY GOD MY LEG" for a minute. This isn't too bad compared to that. I'll take a picture and see if I can post it (though I guess it's not very pleasant, I think it would have scared me if I hadn't had it before.

Mephedrone always makes me feel cold initially.

Yeh, not sure when I stopped feeling cold, but I'm ok now.

I find having a couple of vodkas or brandys or something helps with that ambivalent stimulated state it leaves you in when you want to try and get to sleep.

Doh - former alcoholic - no booze in the flat. Any other suggestions? I'm in no hurry (I am still feeling very speeded, so there's no point in trying sleep yet) but when I'm a bit more sleepish? I have zopiclone but I really don't want to use drugs to sleep (it just seems wrong to use recreational drugs then knock yourself out with non-recreational ones. It's like taking painkillers for a hangover. Everyone does it, but the last think you should be doing is throwing more drugs at your body.


Maybe my shoulders/neck hurt because I've been typing for what seems like a large part of this evening.

Edit. Pretty certain now that veins thing was heat. I decided to take a picture and in the ensuing amusement of me finding it quite hard to keep my balance with my trousers round my ankles, it went almost completely away. Trousers back on, it comes back. Since I get it with mdma when in hot bath, I think it's got to be heat (body pumping blood close to surface of skin to cool it down). I also notice I have not sweated (is that right? it doesn't sound like a word. sweat-ed anyway, perspired) at all. Is that normal? If so, I expect this would be a problem for clubbers...

Anyone taken this stuff at a rave? Or just been very energetic? Did you notice that you were overheating? It could just be me - I don't sweat on mdma either and others who have the same stuff pour sweat.


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--> edit I think this is just as empathetic as MDMA, at least now after (oh god, is that the time?) a few hours. I'm not sure if I felt this earlier - I don't think I did. Too caught up with euphoria and speediness.! Maybe it was there... but I guess it's not as good-bits-of-everything-all-at-once as MDMA.

 

[Ceres]

Shoulders are getting a bit sore from being tense. Not sure when that happened - I don't *feel* tense, just seem to have been hunching my shoulders.

yeah I found myself sitting for ages in a wierd posture like a heron infront of the computer and got quite bad tense muscles in my neck and shoulders. It was like the gurn I had to keep reminding myself to loosen up and move around a bit.


It is a bit of a wierd feeling when you feel all open and chatty and get talking to people who you maybe havent spoken to for a while or whatever, and then you come down and sometimes regret it. I really detest that aspect of stimulant/empathogenic drugs tbh, it's one of the worst side effects, it shows me what its like to be a normal friendly/sociable person and I make all these promises or arrangements etc, then the day after its gone and i just want to be alone and can't tolerate other peoples company etc.

 

[Shambles]

Should I stop rambling so much? I can edit my posts to contain just <potentially> useful info if you want. This isn't really very informative. Just babble.

Rambling is fine by me :D

If you just feel the need to blather and babble in general then feel free to make use of the Gibberings Thread or the "I'm Fucked" Thread - tis what they're there for

yeah I found myself sitting for ages in a wierd posture like a heron infront of the computer and got quite bad tense muscles in my neck and shoulders. It was like the gurn I had to keep reminding myself to loosen up and move around a bit.

Excellent bit of advice that - a lil wiggling works a treat on tension that tends to build up if you're all stimmed up with nowhere to go - shake a lil tailfeather :D

 

[angelsmoke]

I could the rambling could be worse. It could be SWIM doing this. SWIM's neck hurts a little. I understand the reasons, but that's really quite annoying.

yeah I found myself sitting for ages in a wierd posture like a heron infront of the computer and got quite bad tense muscles in my neck and shoulders. It was like the gurn I had to keep reminding myself to loosen up and move around a bit.

Hehe - yeah, heron is about right. I normally have pretty good posture (since I sit in front of a computer all day I kinda have to). I have been crouched over the keyboard looking kinda up at the screen. I never quite get why you don't feel pain when on stimulants. I sit just that you don't notice? Or don't care

It is a bit of a wierd feeling when you feel all open and chatty and get talking to people who you maybe havent spoken to for a while or whatever, and then you come down and sometimes regret it. I really detest that aspect of stimulant/empathogenic drugs tbh, it's one of the worst side effects, it shows me what its like to be a normal friendly/sociable person and I make all these promises or arrangements etc, then the day after its gone and i just want to be alone and can't tolerate other peoples company etc.

Yeah, tell me about it. I've made many promises and had many conversations when drunk which I've regretted (I don't mean fights, I mean conversations that go well, but it wasn't really me. Ugh.). I do ok on mdma though, and I did ok tonight. For me it <more or less> works just to define myself rules first (doesn't work with booze where you lose all sense of rationality). The friend I was chatting to is a girl I've known forever, but we haven't been close friends since school days (I'm 23, 24 next week, meph party time!).
My boyfriend texted to say he loved me and goodnight. I really wanted to go off on a soppy ramble, but that would definitely have been a nice conversation that I'd regret the next day.

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A pic of my veiny leg thing. You need to resize the window to see what I mean. Shrink it right down, go on You can only see red blotch at high res - crap camera, but also, I am thinking they look worse to me than they are. I think someone suggested anxiety as a cause for that (kinda psychosomatic panic thing maybe)
, but I dismissed that because I wasn't anxious. But then, thinking now - I was a bit "hmmm" about them, which is about as anxious as I get with decent drugs.
Would be nice to know more about this, as it is a little worrying. I've cooled down and it's still there, so I guess my body is still trying to vent heat. That's not a good idea - wouldn't like to be walking home in the cold. But then, if I spent the night in a club there's no way I'd analyze any of it this much!

I also *think* my heart might be beating a little irregularly. Like, standard beating, but slows down and speeds up for no reason (not skipping a beat or anything). I'm willing to bet that that's just me though. My computer lags when moving the second hand on windows clock (seriously) so I think my brain can't figure out what a regular interval is.

 

[angelsmoke]

I'm going to head to bed now. I'm not going to be able to sleep, but I'll just chill out lying down for a bit, and get back up if it's really hopeless. I'm pretty tired but not sleepy... damn stimulants!

Right now (about 5 hours since it started working), I feel like I've just come back from a reasonably easy-going night of MDMA and speed. A tiny bit nauseous (not even nauseous, just 'ick'), neck is a bit sore from craning. Still chewing a bit. Still stimulated a little - but not much. Not feeling disoriented like sometimes with mdma.

My advice if you wanna try this:
- Have chapstick
- Have chewing gum, unless you really don't like it. It's easily as bad as speed for jaw clenching and mouth chewing
- Beware that it *doesn't* last 1/2 hours (for me at least) - I though I'd be in bed by midnight, but it's 4am! Speedy "don't want sleep" feeling lasts for a while.
- Decide delivery method (it would have been nice to know how much high came from oral and snorting), and take a decent dose if you're going oral! I don't regret my first tiny dose, because that at least convinced me it wasn't going to kill me, but the second oral dose was a waste I think. Nasal kicks in very quickly, but not in a bad way. Rush of good feelings
- Snort a bit of water after

Side effects. Well, I'm technically still 'up', so I will come back and post about the comedown tomorrow. But during the last few hours:

Didn't have:
- I didn't feel my heart at all, none of the discomfort described
- No anxiety. Don't think anyone reported this. I was quite nervous about this actually - so went into it a bit freaked out. All of that vanished when it kicked in.

Had:
- Felt really cold to begin with. Wasn't expecting this - it's not especially uncomfortable, but beware to the scantily clad
- Purple vein thing. I'm hoping for some replies on this. Thinking about it, I've seen my skin do this before when I've had no drugs - just not so much. I suspect meph messes with your temperature control. Since I don't think this has been mentioned, it's probably no worse than other similar stuff (I've never done anything else outside of a club).


And the million dollar question (for me, anyway):
How does it compare to MDMA?
I'll revisit this tomorrow as well -- when perhaps I'm more objective. I don't feel un-objective now though....
I would say - if you can get MDMA, go for that instead. It is a more constant happy feeling, whereas meph does leave you with this trailing "I'm really sped up, but completely sober" feeling.
So, I wouldn't say it is better than MDMA. It's very good though (it's the first of its type that I've tried, so I can't compare to Methylone). It's not "too good to be true" from the effects POV, and as far as I can see immediate side/aftereffects are fine too. I think it messes with your short term memory less (inability to concentrate is about the same, but I can remember my evening, though not in detail).
I didn't have any hallucinogenic effects - giving me the feeling of a 'cleaner' high, but I know a lot of people like the slightly trippy part of MDMA.

The big downside for me is that there don't seem to have been any studies on Meph's longer term effects (or even risky short term stuff). Illegal drugs are so commonly used that you can be fairly sure what's going to happen (trying to phrase this carefully and not say "safe"... I wouldn't call heroin/coke "safe" for everyone - I mean that if pure-ish and used responsibly, you'll be ok). New drugs, new ground.

Rambling is fine by me :D

Thanks!

And thanks Ceres for all your replies too.

I guess this would be a lot of fun with friends/boyfriend - given the need to talk... but I'm not going to say "it'd be better" cos I had an amazing time tonight. And a part of that was being able to ramble! Perhaps the bad part is that I'll be able to read all this tomorrow (is it one of those *shame* drugs?). I resisted the urge to correct a couple of nonsenses I saw (well, I knew what I meant), because I think they'll be funny tomorrow. And interesting, to see my thought processes, since as far as I'm concerned I never stopped thinking straight (just thought happier and faster).

You guys are great - really appreciate it. I really thought you might be irritated about my long rambles. I guess this is the internet version of rave-culture -- the feeling warm about people you don't know. If someone is reading and going "It's nothing like that" - no, not exactly, but it's for the same reasons. Kindred spirits and all that.


Since it took me an hour to write that (typing fast but pausing to think random things - brain moving too fast) - status update:
- Neck pain gone
- Dry mouth (too much time opening and closing it)
- Mood roughly baseline. Maybe a little bit happier, cos I had a great time (success!). Glad I didn't chase the euphoria around all night. Just sat here typing all night (arg!)
- Still feeling very open and talkative. Just made a mistake and started a conversation with a guy I used to live with. Turns out I've "worried" him and he wants to phone me to make sure I'm ok. No problem... but I hope I don't have to defend myself to him until daybreak.

 

[naatural]

if you can't get to sleep, try iplayer or 4od they have been my lifesaver many a night now! (i recommend doctor who on iplayer)

edit: to add to your mdma comparison, I find personally that meph is completely meaningless compared to md. it has a similar kind of fun, but I do find it's incredibly superficial (with that feeling the morning after..)... much much much more so than mdma

 

[angelsmoke]

edit: to add to your mdma comparison, I find personally that meph is completely meaningless compared to md. it has a similar kind of fun, but I do find it's incredibly superficial (with that feeling the morning after..)... much much much more so than mdma

I know what you mean. The first time I took MDMA (well, a pill) I thought that things would never be the same after. Profound - whereas this was just fun. You couldn't imagine them trying to use meph in therapy, and I think that's where mdma originated. Similar enough fun for them to be directly compared though.

I'm feeling a bit crap now - but then, I have been awake for nearly 22 hours. I don't feel *bad*, but very aware that I really didn't plan to stay up until 5am, and here I am - even though I never redosed. I haven't tried sleeping yet.... I'm worried that if I go to bed I'll start feeling depressed. Got a bit of the "have I made myself really ill?" thing going through my head too (I used to get that with pills, I don't with MDMA). Think that's a reasonably common aftereffect from other posts.

I'm going to go have a bath then see how bed feels. I think it might feel lonely, so I might go along with the 4od/iplayer suggestion. Mindless TV sounds comforting!

Heartrate still up at 100bpm. I wouldn't be able to tell without checking though - not uncomfortable. I'm young and quite fit, so I'm not worrying about it - but I wouldn't like to put this much strain on my heart often. That said, I think speed carries on having an effect for a long time too - I've just never sat at home and measured my heartrate after. Maybe drug taking alone at home isn't as much fun as it initially seemed.

Ah, screw it, I had a great time - and what goes up must come down and all that.

 

[angelsmoke]

Sorry, double post - deleted

 

[Treacle]

Purple knees, and blotchy skin, I'll say is because of vasoconstriction. Quite common with stimulants, but I've never personally experienced that. My knees sometimes look a bit purple, even when sober, usually when they are cold. It sounds like the amount of blood getting to the extremities is inadequate, therefore I'd watch how much people take in a night. I still don't trust it.

 

[DS_]

I know what you mean. The first time I took MDMA (well, a pill) I thought that things would never be the same after. Profound - whereas this was just fun. You couldn't imagine them trying to use meph in therapy, and I think that's where mdma originated. Similar enough fun for them to be directly compared though.

I'm feeling a bit crap now - but then, I have been awake for nearly 22 hours. I don't feel *bad*, but very aware that I really didn't plan to stay up until 5am, and here I am - even though I never redosed. I haven't tried sleeping yet.... I'm worried that if I go to bed I'll start feeling depressed. Got a bit of the "have I made myself really ill?" thing going through my head too (I used to get that with pills, I don't with MDMA). Think that's a reasonably common aftereffect from other posts.

I'm going to go have a bath then see how bed feels. I think it might feel lonely, so I might go along with the 4od/iplayer suggestion. Mindless TV sounds comforting!

Heartrate still up at 100bpm. I wouldn't be able to tell without checking though - not uncomfortable. I'm young and quite fit, so I'm not worrying about it - but I wouldn't like to put this much strain on my heart often. That said, I think speed carries on having an effect for a long time too - I've just never sat at home and measured my heartrate after. Maybe drug taking alone at home isn't as much fun as it initially seemed.

Ah, screw it, I had a great time - and what goes up must come down and all that.

Yeah. Mind numbing TV (along with ketamine) is the best escape from comedown blues. I'd just chuck Human Traffic on for the billionth time and just be mildy entertained til I fell asleep.

 

[stimutant]

Purple knees, and blotchy skin, I'll say is because of vasoconstriction. Quite common with stimulants, but I've never personally experienced that. My knees sometimes look a bit purple, even when sober, usually when they are cold. It sounds like the amount of blood getting to the extremities is inadequate, therefore I'd watch how much people take in a night. I still don't trust it.

i`ll get the reaction we can see in your picture if i use, speed, mdma, meph, m1 or anythings else that compares to amphetamine/mdma in any way....never had problems with it (taking e&speed for ca. 10 years now).
but pls keep in mind that im no doc.

 

[caizar]

long time speed and e user's start to get holes in there face scars etc,Nassty chemz wouldnt touch any of that rc stuff if it was offered to me yucky..!! nice cup of tea and ciggie keeps me happy and my teddy bear..!!

 

[tambourine-man]

i`ll get the reaction we can see in your picture if i use, speed, mdma, meph, m1 or anythings else that compares to amphetamine/mdma in any way....never had problems with it (taking e&speed for ca. 10 years now).
but pls keep in mind that im no doc.

Wait until your dick drops off.