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refining poppy pod extraction

mr.dopeman

mr.dopeman

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Ok, ive been researchning and using the search engine but cant find an answer to this question and really need some help. so im making a alcohol poppy pod extract, what im doing is basically putting pulverized pods in lab grade 200 proof ethanol. then agitating and leting sit for a day or so. then straining out the plant material. heres where i need the advice, im assuming the morphine and other alkaloids will be in thier free-base form at this step, if i add naptha to the alcohol to remove the fatty oils will this pull a significant amount of alkaloids? are thier freebases soluble in naptha(petroleum ether)? also, after the evaperation, if the consisttency of the product is very oily an sticky, i want to add flour to it to make it more tarry and remove the stick factor. the flour wont compromist the structures of the alkaloids making it unsmokeable will it? that sounds kinda ridiculous but theres nothng in the flour that could potentially form a salt with the alkaloids? i dont think so but am jsut trying to be sure here. any help you can give me id really appreciate. thanks!
 
No, they won't be present as freebase. Mostly opiates are present as their meconate salts in the plant.
 
ok, well that being understood, would the de-fatting with naptha step be alright? the main concern of mine is the alkaloids will be soluble in naptha and ill lose ALOT of my product. so if i were to combine the alcohol/alkaloid mix with the naptha, what layer would the goodies stay in? and ive pretty much realized that adding flour to thicken it will be fine. so my last issue is what will happen when the naptha is added. any ideas?
 
If you are attempting to extract the morphine then alcohol is definitely not the correct solvent to use. Look up patents for morphine extraction, they are available all over the web.
 
i want to add flour to it to make it more tarry and remove the stick factor. the flour wont compromist the structures of the alkaloids making it unsmokeable will it? that sounds kinda ridiculous but theres nothng in the flour that could potentially form a salt with the alkaloids?
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That sounds like a horrible smoking experience
 
heat water to near boiling put in crushed pod powder, heat on low for ten minutes with minimum water and lid over. drain in cafe tierre. now you need a pan with a non stick surface that is wide and flat and you need to put this liquid onto the lowest heat possible and if you do this do a little water at a time(it should have a mild whiff of steam and no bubbles at all-if bubbling too hot!)-the quicker the less morphine damaged. now when it dries run the base of the uside down pan under cold tap and it shouls act like umbrella and is quick way to cool dow. dont get water in dried liquid pod juice side.

now scrape off the residue with a credit card and run over with paper and a credit card on a hard surface and voila perfect to snort or smoke(vaporise). min heat min time reducing for max results! this is good if your tolerance is low or you have tramadol to potentiate. also you need pods with high morphine content to codeine for decent produce. i have had pods that were rubbish for this and must have been codiene as they were never as euphoric but easily sedating(just boring). personally i use hen and chicken for this purpose but they better be good ones or your wasting your time.


flour? no no no...
 
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ok i did not use flour as you guys advised. in fact i have not even gotten that far. if i need to thincken it ill use ground up marijuana stems. also, morphine salts are soluble in alcohol so i think itd be fine. so far ive put a good amount of jumbo pods in pure lab grade ethanol and ill strain off the plant material then allow evaperation.
 
^ You should really give up on the idea of "thickening" it. You're not making gravy, you're making something to smoke. If you do it right, it should be good as is.
 
johanneschimpo said:
^ You should really give up on the idea of "thickening" it. You're not making gravy, you're making something to smoke. If you do it right, it should be good as is.
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it doesnt need to be thick just dry. but if you make the tea with less water then the water evaporates quicker preserving more morphine which is nice:)

using water is quicker safer(due to heat and solvents) and works just fine. eventually when you do this often you wont have time for making it fussy.

am i the only one who finds marijuana stems are unsmokable?
 
Yea, I second (or third or forth even?) the no flour point.....it would probably smoke, but it'd be nasty and is unnecessary....Pofacedhoe described a pretty effective method in his earlier post. I've done something very close and it's worked out real well.

And yea, forgettabout thickening it...there's really no need to. It'll just make the smoke unbearable to inhale, and less potent gram for gram, if you know what I mean. What you'll be left with is just a very little portion of product to smoke, but it'll be extremely effective- provided you've got potent poppies.

Here's another really clear description if you're still in need of advice: http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-72460.html
 
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