so if heroin turns into morphine in ur body then the once difference between the two is potency and then both give you the exact same high is this true? granted u get get the rush heroin gives, minus that is the extended duration of the trip the exact same? The same way 4-aco-dmt turns into psilocin in the body therefore its equal to synthetic psilocybin. SO heroin passes the blood brain barrier more effectively making it more potent but what about the high how does it compare. Which is more efficient smoking or snorting? i couldnt find the answer in the search
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morphine vs heroin
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Heroin is just morphine that hits the brain quicker...
Heroin is a stronger high in general due to what I said above, especially when IV'd.
Smoking H>snorting H IMO. Snorting just feels duller and takes too damn long to kick in.
Heroin is a stronger high in general due to what I said above, especially when IV'd.
Smoking H>snorting H IMO. Snorting just feels duller and takes too damn long to kick in.
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smoking wastes more, but the rush is faster and harder.
snorting lasts longer and the rush is less, but i prefer it.
snorting lasts longer and the rush is less, but i prefer it.
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Smoking is only wasteful if you don't have your technique down.
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very true, it's an art....but snorting is just dump and **Sniff** (if you get powder, that is)
the_ketaman
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Strangely I didnt get a rush the times that ive IV'd H, probably because I was high as a kite on meth and my giant tolerance to oxy, but I did enjoy the high which kinda crept up on me. The times that ive IV'd morphine though have been some of the best rushes ive ever had and I get the really dreamy opiated state that I dont realy get with oxy, I love morphine, its so much cheaper than H too, but im sure if I got a big enough shot of H to get a rush my preferences might change.
Plugging morphine is nice too, if I could choose oxy or morphine id choose morphine.
Plugging morphine is nice too, if I could choose oxy or morphine id choose morphine.
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Heroin is much much better than morphine.
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Common lore states that the subjective differences between Heroin and Morphine are only noticable via intravenous injection. An article on HeroinHelper goes into a little more detail on this subject.
Fewer Histamine related side effects makes Heroin more palatable to the average opioid user or addict. Increased potency (which varies by method of ingestion, but is most apparent via IV) is another positive.
However, as far as the rush, IV Morphine has more fireworks (which is considered unpleasant by a lot of opioid users & addicts).
When not using via intravenous injection, I don't think anyone could discern which chemical of the 2 they are taking (oral, insufflation, IM, SC, rectal, etc).
This includes inhalation. 'Smoking' Heroin or Morphine is very different from 'vaporizing' or 'Chasing' Heroin or Morphine. Smoking H or M by mixing it with Cannabis or in a cigarette and applying a direct flame is extremely wasteful and leads to almost single digit percentage absorption. Same goes for poor Chasing/vaporization technique via charring (overheating the dope by placing a flame too close or underneath for too long or both).
Though the rate of absorption is still slower and the amount of drug that reaches the brain is less via Chasing vs IV injection- so even with proper technique and proper additives (Caffeine to increase volitalization, no chemicals to increase degredation like Procaine, APAP, etc).
There are dozens of Heroin vs Morphine threads, plus tens of thousands of scientific articles going back over a hundred years on the potency, subjective effects, etc of Heroin vs Morphine.
In short:
Heroin: less Histamine related side effects post-IV (reduced or absent "pins & needles" sensations, redness of the skin, itching, etc), slightly faster onset, higher potency by weight.
Morphine: more Histamine related side effects (more intense rush), slightly longer lasting.
If being taken by IV, the high following the rush is basically indistinguishable between the two.
Fewer Histamine related side effects makes Heroin more palatable to the average opioid user or addict. Increased potency (which varies by method of ingestion, but is most apparent via IV) is another positive.
However, as far as the rush, IV Morphine has more fireworks (which is considered unpleasant by a lot of opioid users & addicts).
When not using via intravenous injection, I don't think anyone could discern which chemical of the 2 they are taking (oral, insufflation, IM, SC, rectal, etc).
This includes inhalation. 'Smoking' Heroin or Morphine is very different from 'vaporizing' or 'Chasing' Heroin or Morphine. Smoking H or M by mixing it with Cannabis or in a cigarette and applying a direct flame is extremely wasteful and leads to almost single digit percentage absorption. Same goes for poor Chasing/vaporization technique via charring (overheating the dope by placing a flame too close or underneath for too long or both).
Though the rate of absorption is still slower and the amount of drug that reaches the brain is less via Chasing vs IV injection- so even with proper technique and proper additives (Caffeine to increase volitalization, no chemicals to increase degredation like Procaine, APAP, etc).
There are dozens of Heroin vs Morphine threads, plus tens of thousands of scientific articles going back over a hundred years on the potency, subjective effects, etc of Heroin vs Morphine.
In short:
Heroin: less Histamine related side effects post-IV (reduced or absent "pins & needles" sensations, redness of the skin, itching, etc), slightly faster onset, higher potency by weight.
Morphine: more Histamine related side effects (more intense rush), slightly longer lasting.
If being taken by IV, the high following the rush is basically indistinguishable between the two.
chrisinabox
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^great post
phr
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I was always under the impression that morphine's greater histamine release will be noticeable even when taken non-intravenously. Am I wrong?
Given equipotent doses. Potency, and the differences between ba -I'm thinking intranasal- would have to be accounted for.
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I for one choose heroin over morphine any day in the year.
For once and this is crucial for me, morphine hurts like a mother f&¤%er when IV'd, the histamine release is extremely painful for me.
And secondly heroin has a much more appreciated and euphoric rush/kick than morphine. (middle-good-extremely good heroin)
For once and this is crucial for me, morphine hurts like a mother f&¤%er when IV'd, the histamine release is extremely painful for me.
And secondly heroin has a much more appreciated and euphoric rush/kick than morphine. (middle-good-extremely good heroin)
InTherapy82
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For some reason morphine had different effects on me than heroin. Morphine definitely took my pain away but turned me into a whiny, mean bitch. Heroin on the other hand had the opposite effects on. Dunno why but u can ask my husband. Also after using morphine for 3 months regularly the w/d was negligible, just cravings and more pain. After using heroin for 2 weeks regularly w/d were horrendous, enough to cause an 8 months addiction.
phatass
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the BA of snorting heroin is far higher than that of sniffing morphine.... i know the highest BA ROA of morphine after IV/IM is plugging... dunno about heroin tho.. oh and i think heroi (diacetylmorphine) is 7 times more potent than morphine.. however most dope is between 20 AND 35%pure... thats why i prefer pharmaceutical grade morphine (skenan in my country)
chrisinabox
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^i'm almost 100% sure that heroin is not 7 times more potent than morphine. i believe it is 3 times at most., prolly less
InTherapy82
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^ Agreed. I read that heroin it 2-3 times more potent than morphine.
the_ketaman
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^^3rd that.
From what im reading if I actually had the chance to Iv high grade heroin im sure my vote would change to that. I cant think of any reason that I wouldnt get a rush other than I was high on crystal meth. Even with smaller doses of morphine, small enough that I wasnt getting high id still get a rush but no high after. Like I could shoot 20mg(rather than 70-100mg) of morphine and get a slight rush, but not be high after whereas I shot 200mg of heroin and didnt get a rush but I got high, how the fuck does that work?
From what im reading if I actually had the chance to Iv high grade heroin im sure my vote would change to that. I cant think of any reason that I wouldnt get a rush other than I was high on crystal meth. Even with smaller doses of morphine, small enough that I wasnt getting high id still get a rush but no high after. Like I could shoot 20mg(rather than 70-100mg) of morphine and get a slight rush, but not be high after whereas I shot 200mg of heroin and didnt get a rush but I got high, how the fuck does that work?
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Heroin vs. Morphine...
Morphine is and has been the benchmark that all other opioids are compared to for almost a hundred years. That being said, Diamorphine (heroin) is very similar to morphine and is actually converted to morphine in the brain. Heroin generally produces more euphoria and an overall higher quality high. Morphine, although less euphoric, has a more rounded high and painkilling (analgesic) properities.
I personally prefer heroin over morphine because morphine makes me very drowsy and sucks the energy away from me, as well as being alot less euphoric. Morphine also has more pesky side effects. It's just not worth it, and I usually only use it when I am dopesick and have no other option. Morphine is cheaper than heroin in my area as well.
Heroin on the other hand, whilst being more euphoric and well rounded, has it's downsides. For one, heroin is usually pretty risky business. You never know what it is cut with, where it has been (up someone's ass, for instance, which happens alot more than you'd think) and how potent it is. This is because it is unregulated (tisk tisk...). On one occasion, my friend was sold a bag of sand. Luckily he was familiar with heroin and disposed of it promptly, but imagine if he was a newbie and tried to shoot it or snort it...bad news.
Another point that deserves to be looked at is the issue of dependance and addiction. Heroin is notorious for having a slightly higher addiction potenial than most any other opioid/opiate for a number of reasons. As well, the withdrawals from heroin, though similar to most other full agonist opiates, tend to be slightly worse.
Withdrawals from heroin happen alot faster, maybe even being the fastest dependance forming of all opiates/opioids. Many people I know have been casual junk users, using a few times a month, then binge on it for three days and get moderate to severe withdrawal symptoms. The bottom line is, all things considered, heroin makes people dependant on it alot faster than most other opioids/ates, and withdrawal from it is among the worst of any opioids/ates (with the exception of methadone, oxymorphone).
They are very similar (with good reason, as they are practically the same drug), and the differences are usually subtle for the most part. A mentioned above, most people wouldn't be able to tell the difference between the two if they didn't know any better. I think morphine is safer than heroin generally, but heroin is overall the better drug.
Morphine Heroin
Pros Cons Pros Cons
-Longer lasting. -More side effects -More Euphoric -Unregulated
-Regulated -Dull High -Less side effects -Socially Taboo
-Cheaper -Less Efficient -Intense Rush -Short duration
-Many Forms -Stronger Potency -Comp. Illegal
Morphine is and has been the benchmark that all other opioids are compared to for almost a hundred years. That being said, Diamorphine (heroin) is very similar to morphine and is actually converted to morphine in the brain. Heroin generally produces more euphoria and an overall higher quality high. Morphine, although less euphoric, has a more rounded high and painkilling (analgesic) properities.
I personally prefer heroin over morphine because morphine makes me very drowsy and sucks the energy away from me, as well as being alot less euphoric. Morphine also has more pesky side effects. It's just not worth it, and I usually only use it when I am dopesick and have no other option. Morphine is cheaper than heroin in my area as well.
Heroin on the other hand, whilst being more euphoric and well rounded, has it's downsides. For one, heroin is usually pretty risky business. You never know what it is cut with, where it has been (up someone's ass, for instance, which happens alot more than you'd think) and how potent it is. This is because it is unregulated (tisk tisk...). On one occasion, my friend was sold a bag of sand. Luckily he was familiar with heroin and disposed of it promptly, but imagine if he was a newbie and tried to shoot it or snort it...bad news.
Another point that deserves to be looked at is the issue of dependance and addiction. Heroin is notorious for having a slightly higher addiction potenial than most any other opioid/opiate for a number of reasons. As well, the withdrawals from heroin, though similar to most other full agonist opiates, tend to be slightly worse.
Withdrawals from heroin happen alot faster, maybe even being the fastest dependance forming of all opiates/opioids. Many people I know have been casual junk users, using a few times a month, then binge on it for three days and get moderate to severe withdrawal symptoms. The bottom line is, all things considered, heroin makes people dependant on it alot faster than most other opioids/ates, and withdrawal from it is among the worst of any opioids/ates (with the exception of methadone, oxymorphone).
They are very similar (with good reason, as they are practically the same drug), and the differences are usually subtle for the most part. A mentioned above, most people wouldn't be able to tell the difference between the two if they didn't know any better. I think morphine is safer than heroin generally, but heroin is overall the better drug.
Morphine Heroin
Pros Cons Pros Cons
-Longer lasting. -More side effects -More Euphoric -Unregulated
-Regulated -Dull High -Less side effects -Socially Taboo
-Cheaper -Less Efficient -Intense Rush -Short duration
-Many Forms -Stronger Potency -Comp. Illegal
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The real difference between them is the speed with which they hit the central nervous system. Why would that make a difference besides the rush? Well because the brain reacts in many ways to opioid agonists. One of those ways is releasing dopamine. When the opioid receptors are suddenly occupied very quickly by a strong opiate, the burst of dopamine release is much higher, resulting in more euphoria (as is the case with heroin). When taking morphine, the opiate receptors are occupied more slowly due to it's inability to pass the blood-brain barrier as quickly. This results in less dopamine release and therefore a slightly different high.
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That's a pretty dangerous assumption to make. They are both just as addictive IMO, and the withdrawal is identical in my experience.
chrisinabox
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^the only reason you could even say morphine is safer than heroin is b/c morphine is regulated and is prescribed to ppl in pill form. heroin is illegal pretty much everywhere and is cuts with other drugs. in the u.k. tho, they make prescription diamorphine for ppl. now if both drugs were in their pure form, one would not be any safer than the other.