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couple quick bup WD questions

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i kicked herion 5 years ago, now im trying to kick subutex. ive been on 32mg/day of subutex for a lil over a year. i take it under my tongue mostly, sometime i snort some. ive been tryin to quit for a few weeks now buy lowering my dose down to about 16-24mg/day. i went with out any for 2 days and got real bad cold sweats and insomnia. my questions are- how long does subutex WD last? what are tha symptoms of subutex WD? when does it peak? is it as bad as H WD? and i have 5 8mg pills left to try to help me through this, how should i best utilize these? i would appreciate if anyone would try and help me, thanx.
 
thats a HUGE dose. you'll get the most out of your last 5 8mg pills if you take 3 in 1/2's and then the last two in 1/4's and skipping days as you reach your last pill. good luck
 
I went cold turkey off of 4 - 6mg per day (tiny dose compared to yours) and I had chills, insomnia and diarrhea that lasted well over a month, close to two.

Buprenorphine withdrawal is much less intense than say heroin withdrawal, but lasts SO MUCH longer. Which in some ways makes it worse, but overall I'd rather do that again than have to kick dope cold turkey.

The insomnia was the worst of all, I didn't get more than an hour or two of sleep per night the first week, then slowly week-by-week I'd gain another hour or so.

The cold/flu-like symptoms didn't last all that long (aches and sweats), maybe 7-8 days tops. Seriously though, if you're taking upwards of 16mg/day, I'd highly recommend you try and taper yourself down to at least 2 or 4mg before quitting. At that high of a dose the withdrawals would be absolutely horrific right around day 3...
 
Something that's legally and easily available that could help is kratom if you absolutely can't get more bupe to taper with. I mean, it's switching your addiction for another, but just take care to taper it down.
 
that is a HUGE dose? im sweating my a$$ off even taking 4mg/day. i wish i had known that 32mg/day was sutch a high dose before i began maintaincee theropy. o well, live and learn huh? am i better off snorting this stuff and keeping the drip under my tongue?
 
I really doubt kratom will even be able to get into any of the receptors until like day 6, given the half life of bupe and its high affinity. Am I correct in that assumption, or am I getting this all wrong?
 
thanx again for the info ladies and gents. another question is- i have a script of tramadol, will these help with the bup WD i am going through? and where can i buy some kratom?
 
We can't talk about where to buy stuff in the forums, but yeah, the tramadol will help. Don't take over 400 mg in a day, 'cause it can give you a seizure and you might bight your tongue off or die. Capiche?
 
Tramadol will help and you do not need to wait to be in full WD's to take it, it works along side of bupe. Kratom is rumored to also work with Bupe but I am not sure. It may just be that their stimulant and AD properties are functioning but the mu opoid binding is still blocked. But keep in mind, at 32 mgs of bupe, neither will do shit for you. You need to go to a doc and get a taper plan worked out ASAP.
 
i cant believe i have become so physically hooked on buprenorphine in the last year! 5 years ago i quit dope cold turkey and never looked back, not even once. i was so proud of myself for my 5 yrs of soberity off H and now i feel like a piece of $hit again. i feel like such a fukkin junkie. well, at least i never went back to shooting either. now im just hooked on subutex, i even quit smokin weed. anyways, im just rambeling on and on about nothing so im gonna shut up now. i think one more WD is gonna kill me. like they say, " im sick and tired of bein sick and tired." if anyone has a response id love to hear it, thanks
 
You did it once you can do it again dude. Plus, it's suboxone...NOT heroin. You haven't been a lying, cheating, stealing junkie this past year...you were simply taking an opiod maintenance drug that was legitimately prescribed to you.

Don't be so hard on yourself, although I know it's hard not to when you're in the throes of withdrawal. I've been there with bupe myself, and while yes it does suck, you will get through it. :)

Hang in there
 
My father perscribes suboxone, and will not give out more than 24 mg's (in extreme cases). Personally from myself being on suboxone, your just wasting the drug. It's psychological.
It took me about 1 year to realize that I didn't need more, and I felt better on less.
Addictive thinking is amazing. Anyone interested should look into fMRI (Functional Magnetic Reasonance Imaging) to visualize a craving in action.

HBO's "Addiction" series is a great for anyone who has questions about brain chemistry and addiction.
I'm sure plenty of BL'rs have already seen it. Especially in ADD.
 
I know my last comment was a little off topic, but my point was getting down much lower would not only save your meds to taper (if you can get more, I didn't read the OP again.), but you'll have a better chance of succeeding.
 
Try getting some kava for the withdrawals, and smoke loads of weed. Maybe throw in a benzo or two for the first few days, and definitely get yourself some DLPA as it boosts endorphin levels. Alpha/beta blockers would help the surge of noradrenaline. There are so many things you can take for withdrawal; never been through it myself, but I imagine the discomfort could be drastically reduced.

In fact when I withdrew from 5mg clonazepam/day, about 3g of gabapentin stopped the withdrawals in their tracks and let me sleep. Only problem was the depression it caused.
 
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Bad bad idea to come off such a big dose. Taper down to 0.5mg or less otherwise I'd say it's gonna be very difficult to stop. Even 2mg is a big dose to get off of.

U can quickly get down to 2-4mg, from there it's more difficult to go down.

U have 40mg and u are at 16mg.

Take 12 tomm
then 10
then 8 now u have 10mg left
4
2
and split the rest 4mg into small pieces and take the biggest one each day until get to tiny pieces and then jump off. Divide the 1/8mg pill into approximately 0.5mg pieces.

I don't think u have enough to taper with w/o much pain. Can u get more? Then I'd make an easier plan for you.

Maybe try taking the larger doses every other day. Or try going down faster than I said so u have more left for tapering off lower doses.

At your dose it's best to do a taper plan that lasts at least a month or 2. Then u'll have much higher chance of stopping sub or not relapsing on some other opiate.

PM me if u need more info.
 
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IHateOpiophobes said:
My father perscribes suboxone, and will not give out more than 24 mg's (in extreme cases). Personally from myself being on suboxone, your just wasting the drug. It's psychological.
It took me about 1 year to realize that I didn't need more, and I felt better on less.
Addictive thinking is amazing. Anyone interested should look into fMRI (Functional Magnetic Reasonance Imaging) to visualize a craving in action.

HBO's "Addiction" series is a great for anyone who has questions about brain chemistry and addiction.
I'm sure plenty of BL'rs have already seen it. Especially in ADD.
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U are totally right. 2mg was plenty for me. I thought I needed 8mg but when I got to 1-2mg I found out that I don't need anymore than that. And I even felt better at 1mg than the higher doses. Sub is a very potent med.
 
You need to taper down man... at 32mg a day quitting cold turkey will probably be worse than quitting heroin. Bupre WD really sucks. There are things that help, such as lofexidine and benzos but then you might get addicted on the benzos...
 
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