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Random DXM questions: The Higher Ground

you have olney's lesions? did they find them on a medical scan? to my knowledge there is no medical evidence that olneys lesions appear following oral dxm use in any test subjects.

Olney's lesions are bullshit. Send me a picture of your brain.

And taking powder orally is going to do the same damn thing as popping robo-gel caps.

They were dosing up those rats via IV and giving em like 1/2 the lethal dosage of DXM. I think you'd get swiss cheese head too if you went with 25mg/kg.
 
Dude I didn't say I got Olneys lesions at all, I'm just saying I don't want to risk that or any serious health effects with frequent use. Just saying that just a few things are keeping it from being a good recreational drug to me.

And yeah taking caps does change it for me, I react to them badly.
 
Regardless of what form of DXM you're chugging, any form of semi-frequent DXM use causes significant psychological impairment. I read a jounral study saying that they found that Oral DXM does not cause Olney Lesions, plus mostly when they do tests on Olney lesions they use MK-801 (a RC dissociative.) which is MUCH more potent then the other dissociatives.

"However, dizocilpine (MK-801) is the most frequently used non-competitive NMDA receptor antagonist used in experimental animals due to its exceptional potency and selectivity for the NMDA receptor."

I used DXM maybe once a week for even just a few weeks and I noticed significant decrease in my general mental faculties, I felt slower, saw a decline in my language skills etc etc. Although that could have also been coupled with my lack of mental stimulation but I rectified that. I only use DXM now very occasionally (As its still one of my favourite drugs :D) But I use it as occasionally as possible. But yeah I ain't worried about Olney Lesions at all.
 
Haha I just remembered how far from sober i was when I said the thing about the lesions, after reading it again I don't even remember what my thought process was there. Wow.
 
dxm lets you see the whole picture and seeing reality from the outside gives you a new perspective. compulsive dxm use may lead to a state of not giving a fuck about anything (happened to me) and losing some social ability.
 
When I heard that Olneys lesions were probably false, I felt a lot better about life. :D

Some people react badly to DXM in general, and if you react really adversely to gels, than it may not be a good idea to even think about Pure hybromide powder. Like some people say, one third have a terrible reaction, one third love it, one third find minimal affects. It's such a toss up of a substance.

I've only had one seriously intense revalation about life and existence but that was actually a third/fourth plateau trip in itself. I experienced the big bang theory in action and the universe collapsed into a black hole of which I found myself a part, experiencing the echoing blasting energys of every living/moving thing in the existence of the universe vibrating through me as I was a insignificantly small part of a hugely condensed piece of anti-matter.

Hard to explain, kind of. :\

I think hallucinations from DXM have the potential to be unrivaled by anything else.
 
Ok @ Excido, what basis have you for the "psychological impairment" statement? Simply your own results? Just saying thats a big blanket statement to make. I for one have felt more motivated to achieve my goals since starting on DXM. I probably use it 2-4 times a month depending on circumstances. Have yet to notice a single negative thing in my head.

@ Nearjat, its cool dude. Never thought you HAD them, I'm just saying they are BS period.

@ Treezy, Well put.

@ DPS, yeah dude. Those visuals can be pretty powerful. They just seem a little, veiled. Like they arent crystal clear. You have to really know the beast to get close to it. My early DXM experiences were more difficult and now I've kinda learned how she move and I've gotten better times out of it.
 
Well not just me, a lot of people who have used DXM more regularly have experienced psychological impairment, nothing like debilitating but a definite drop in mental prowess. I think at worse it was about twice a week but it really made me feel dumb and I noticed a decline in my general speech, I couldn't speak as fluently and articulately as I could before. But as I said it was probably compounded by me being on holidays after finishing school and not really having done much mentally stimulating things.
 
i've done a lot of dxm over the last few years so I'd like to think that I know what I'm talking about XD

In my experiences with psychedelics I say that everyone should experiment with them a few times, but no one should do them habitually. (I unfortunately am quite hypocritical as far as the later statement goes)

DXM has the potential for you to look at stuff from a radical perspective which can sometimes be really helpful and if nothing else plain cool. It's really entertaining and for the last few years has been my DOC. (although this is probably more because of the availability than effects)

However when I started using DXM a lot (daily) my view point on life became completely distorted and I basically turned into a fucking wacko! I've read over some of the conversations I've had with people back then and I can't believe some of the things I thought and beliefs I held. Growing up in this world is confusing enough, having your brain tricked on crazy chemicals is probably not the wisest way to go about it.

So to sum up I think it's safe to say that for all psychedelics make a solid effort to keep your feet on the ground and make sure that the things you learn check out in the real world, don't get swept off your feet. Things that seem amazing and relevant at the time could really be just gibberish resulting from your brain's neurons firing faster than a shitty action movie. (as was the case in my experience)



Above all know your mind, body, source have fun and be safe! :)
 
Good balanced post monark.

I have to say that I've NEVER used it on back to back days and the closest ever was 3 times in 10 days.

But lately I've tapered off a bit. The perspective view of things on DXM is really impressive. Even if you threw away the visuals, the mental perspective carries a lot of weight.

But yeah I think with anything if you do it too much you'll lose that boundary between reality and nonsense.
 
IS dxm on high doses very fully hallucinative ?
I mean like, you see people coming to your apartment, and really fucked up face distortions and patterns on the wall etc....
 
As I said I get mad visuals on high doses of DXM. Closed eye visuals are insanely real and I have no idea I'm even tripping till I come out of a trance. Open eyes can get absolutely brilliant, when I do it and walk around, houses become ancient structures of all types, people who aren't there, haven't got the fucked up face distorion, saw a white dragon head come out of my door once, friend also saw it (shared hallucination) seriously. I see heiroglyphs all the time, I swear DXM loves Egyptian shit for me lol.
 
Well crouch I havent gotten stuff that is really super realistic like you'd get on Benadryl or something.

But like Excido said, the CEV "trances (good word)" can be very strong and realistic. And the OEV's tend to be more mystical and such. Idk how to explain it.

Oh and as far as a friend seeing something I saw. I think it has to do with the way DXM causes the brain to put stuff together. Because my friend and I both thought that Alexander the Greats head was in my room.

It was in actuality, the white part of a pillow poking out of a pillowcase. But it looked like an ancient statue of his head.
 
dxm is wuts in some cough medicines right? if so, i felt like electricity. i couldnt focus at all. i kept looking at my smoke detector light and it would not stay still. i live on the 15th floor in a high rise, and i was so scared to go out side. i was likeholding on to the sliding door really tight. i just remember telling my wife, " dont let me jump over the balcony." ive never thought crazy like that. ive tripped shrooms, lsd, candy flipped and i never thought of stuff like that cuz ive always been in control and new all my thoughts were just becuz i was high. dxm wasnt my type of psychedelic.
 
no i was just asking coz probably once i had dxm in my pill i got serious fucked up halluc :D
like my friend was a excact pattern of the carpet. but how's the best way to get high of it ? are there any pills. coz dont wanna drink the cough syrup probably puke from that :D
 
are there any pills. coz dont wanna drink the cough syrup probably puke from that :D
Yes! They're called Robitussin Cough Gels, or generic CVS/Rite Aid/Walgreens cough gels.

20 pills, 15mg each = 300mg per bottle

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Hi five for the photo.

Yeah Crouch i've had that sort of thing happen where some objects acquire the texture or look of something else.

Like my whole ceiling looking like astro turf for instance.

But yeah the Cough Gels are way way easier to take than the stupid syrup
 
I'm really glad I found this thread, becuase this has been something I've been thinking a lot about recently.

DXM is definitely one of my favorite "mind" (as opposed to pleasure) drugs, to a large degree because of its alien feel. it seems to diverge from the standard, more natural feeling psychoactives such as tryptamine/phenethylamine psychedelics, opiates, alcohol, etc. The best way I can describe it is as though DXM is the Z axis on a Cartesian graph, affecting me in ways that no other drug does.

I generally have a hard time remembering too much of my DXM experiences, which are typically low-med 3rd plateau (what I try to aim for, dosages anywhere from 350 to 700 mg). However, certain themes seem to keep cropping up in my experiences. First of all, the "dex-space" for me has a unique feel that is the same every time, as though I enter a universe similar to normal consciousness in that continuity of feelings or events exist, as in real life (sorry for being confusing, its very difficult to explain). Also, my experiences tend to bleed into one another, as I remember my last DXM experience with great clarity when on DXM, although with sufficient effort, I can revisit any of my prior experiences that I can remember, to some degree. The closest analogy is that of a 19th century theologian suddenly transported to the realm of the the Hindu or Grecian pantheon (I second the feeling of grandness, NMR). However, it also (often) has a distinctly dark, sinister, forbidden feel, as well as feeling very artificial in the body. Because of that, I labeled the feeling I have gotten while exploring the dex-space as "Subterranean-Hyperspace" for its feeling of being aware of the scope of the universe and at the same time in some indefinable way underground, or immensely small. My friend who almost always trips with me on this substance described it best as: "Putting your head into a little metal safe that barely comes up to your knees, and then toppling in because it contains the whole universe."

Two of my most interesting thoughts regarding DXM:

First, as to the OP, DXM does seem to put me on a level of "reality" much deeper or "more real" than many of my psychedelic experiences (the only exception being DMT, which I feel is almost the polar opposite of DXM). Although, unlike yours, it makes me feel as though all of our waking reality is in fact a giant manifestation of something else (often a computer program, or network of servers which generate conscious experiences) and in particular, death, and harsh realities seem not only unimportant, but difficult to define. DXM feels to me as though it shows me the basic programming from which the universe is extrapolated, which feels to me in some way like "forbidden knowledge". The theme of Cosmic programming and the structure of the universe recurs frequently.

Secondly, DXM has a particularly digital feel to it (not a pun on robo :) ). While I am in the head space, My only emotions are of wonder and explorations, and a deep sense of internal clarity; my body is weightless, and the "organic" emotions of fear and pain are nonexistent. I am utterly incapable of understanding humor in any form, and, although my logic is impaired by my perception, it still seems to have a continuity that can be followed, although not remembered. Also, the closed eye visuals remind me very much of high definition digital or computer generated images, crystal clear and at the same time slightly misty, particularly when combined with cannabis or morning glories, which enhances the DXM-themed CEVs TREMENDOUSLY (and often gives them more color, as they are typically black and white when using DXM alone). Often they are random images, such as Escher-esque planets and staircases, machinery, turning gears, solid objects melting, wooden paneling, metal and electricity. One of my most traumatizing and at the same time fascinating experiences was when I had a CEV of a thick triangular coil of cold wire on some sort of inverted dais made of metal, which I then "realized" was an extra-realistic device which was generating the totality of my consciousness (and yes, I realize that I sound insane :\). However, this feeling has been a recurring theme in my experiences since then, and has made for many interesting insights, or at least perspectives, on humanity, the natural world, and so forth. Also time travel, becoming other individuals, finding oneself in different part of the earth/planets etc. are all effects and themes (albeit lesser ones) of DXM.

In closing, sorry for the length, I've been meaning to write this up for ages and have never gotten around to doing it properly (this is actually a summary). I need to start posting more in trip reports, I could go on for days... :) Peace.
 
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