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Risks of large 2c-x doses?

Psychedelic Gleam

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I find that the 2c's are only interesting in large doses. I enjoy 2c-i at around 40-60 mg's, 2c-b at 50-80. One individual warned that these super high doses can be dangerous for heart rate and such. I was contemplating a 2ci 40 mg, 2cb 60 mg combo, anyone have any experiences with this sort of dosage range or know of the physical risk (i understand psychological risks) of these chemicals.
 
From what I know, those doses are perfectly reasonable. They are most definitely higher than the standard dose most people require but it's nothing too serious. You aren't going to blow out your heart unless you have some underlying condition such as arrhythmia or ectopic beats. Do you ever experience angina? Does poor cardiovascular health run in your bloodlines? If not, you should be fine. The heart is a magnificent organ with a great many safeguards.

It should be noted that doses that high could produce intense anxiety or fear which would obviously ramp up heart rate and blood pressure but not to levels that a health heart could not bear.
 
Yeah I think if you can go on the gym and sprint on a treadmill and survive, then you can probably handle this.

Just know yourself. And it probably WOULDNT hurt to try and get some cardio exercise which will help strengthen the heart muscle for endurance
 
There are a few 2c's you have to be careful with but B and I aren't one of em.. it's more the 2c-t-x's i've heard some OD stories from.
 
While I don't thtink this combo would be physically dangerous, I think it would be rather useless and somewhat fool-hardy. 100mgs of 2 seperate, strong psychedelics will be a very very very strong experience. I wuoldn't do it myself.
 
large repeated doses of 2c-e can give you 'coming up' flashbacks for a few months (extreme feeling of discomfort for 5-20 minutes)

EDIT: as far as I can tell, I have found this information to be false and such flashbacks were caused by a different substance.
 
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I believe you'd be very wise to consider combined doses which roughly total the amounts you are used to taking now.

For example, instead of 40mg 2C-I + 60mg 2C-B, how about starting with something more along the lines of 20mg 2C-I + 30mg 2C-B?
 
40mg of 2C-I and 60mg of 2C-B separately would be large doses, but would pose no dangers. Combined, that's a whole lot of 2C-X, and 2C-I and 2C-B are not the very safest ones. I would be wary of trying this. Just because there are reports of 100+mg doses on Erowid doesn't mean they're not going to do any damage. Most of those reports are about accidental dosages and the people don't seem keen on repeating those experiences.

The actual physical dangers are mostly unknown, I think. 2C-B raises body temperature and both 2c-B and 2C-I raise heart rate, so they could be dangerous in that way. 2C-E (not the same I know but related) has been reported to cause chest pains in some people even at much lower doses, which would worry me. Obviously the 2C-T-Xs should never be taken that high, although they're a bit different in that they're more physically dangerous.

That's all I can think of... I hope it helps you. Personally I wouldn't take doses that high but I'm pretty sure you won't die or anything. Out of curiosity, how high have you taken doses of these in the past? What has been yoyr highest combined dose, or single dose of one of them? If you've taken like 90mg combined before and not been worried about the symptoms, then you're probably okay. But if you've only taken, say, 60 or 70mg before, then please do not jump up so high all at once... work your way up for safety's sake. You can always take a higher dose the next time, and a higher one the next time, and so on, if you're not satisfied... but you can't un-take any dose, and safety should definitely come first, both for your sake and the sake of the community.
 
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My ex girlfriend accidentally took 107 mg of 2c-b the other night. We split 250 mg and so her half was 125mg.

She asked me to weigh out a cap for her before I went to work.... so I weighed out 18mg, put it in a gelcap, wrapped it in a piece of paper that was clearly labeled. Her remaining 107 was loose, wrapped in another piece of paper that was also clearly labeled. Guess which dose she took? 8)

I came home to find her sitting in complete darkness, conversing with my bicycle.

She was fine, but remember all those years you spent in school learning to read? That was for a reason.
 
I'm with Xorkoth.

2C-I and 2C-B tend to scale up with increasing cardio and peripheral stimulation. I'd even say a seizure could be a possible outcome, mixing double doses of each.

At the very least look forward to a dissociative experience not at all like a typical dose of either substance taken on its own.

2C-x drugs should only be taken so far IMO. And what you've suggested sounds like walking that fine line.
 
I believe you'd be very wise to consider combined doses which roughly total the amounts you are used to taking now.

For example, instead of 40mg 2C-I + 60mg 2C-B, how about starting with something more along the lines of 20mg 2C-I + 30mg 2C-B?

QFT

the two will end up potentiating each other. So rather than taking your usual dose of both at the same time do what djfriendly said and make it so that the two combined will equal your usual dosage.
 
I'm not so sure they will potentiate each other, but they certainly will be at least additive. But I don't see why a carefully considered and measured combination of these two would be more dangerous than a dose of the same intensity of either one alone. For instance, given my own normal doses of 2Cs, I would take 10mg of each with no fear. It seems the OP is suggesting a trip which will be much more intense than what he or she is used to, potentially both physically and mentally, which is what I'm concerned about.

What I guess I should have mentioned in my first post is the fact that this is the first time this combination will be attempted by the OP as far as I can tell. What I meant to say was that he would be wise to shoot for a trip of no more intensity overall then what he typically has from one drug or the other. If a "super-trip" is the goal then I'd suggest a higher dose of just one drug instead of a high dose of an untried combination.
 
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I don't know if i have any pre-existing heart conditions but i had to goto the ER for a 100mg 2c-i overdose. They thought i was overdosing on meth my heart was going so bad. At the time i wasn't sure if it was 100mg 2c-t-7 or 2c-i and when i explained it to the ER nurses they just thought i was babbling [2c-what?]... they even called poison control and they had no clue, so i told them to give me some benzos via IV and some anti-psychotics cuz i was hallucinating and panicking REALLY fucking bad... thank god they listened (of course doctor had to approve).

So yeah bro if i were you i'd be cautious with your dosing and gradually go up... try 60mg one time, 75mg another, 85mg another, and so on. Remember, even if your mind can handle it your body might not. Just be safe. Drugs are fun and all, but when you cross the line it can seriously fuck you up in the long run.... even with psychedelics.... especially with PEAs...

I find 2c-i to be hyper-stimulating... if i were you and i considered combining 2c-i with 2c-b i'd start very low at 15mg 2c-i + 20-25mg 2c-b. Even if you've handled both drugs on high doses, combining the two can make for one hell of an unexpected trip! You know you should really try mixing a tryptamine with a PEA... something like DPT or LSD with 2c-i/2c-b. I think you'd get the best of both worlds doing it that way. Less stress on the body too.

One last thing, i just want to agree with bluedolphin on the dissociative state from high-dosing PEAs. It can get extremely uncomfortable, unlike ketamine which is relaxing in its dissociative state, when high-dosing PEAs (esp. 2c-i or 2c-b) its extremely energetic while also being very dissociative... i find it to be rather uncomfortable and discerning. You have this body with all its energy that you don't know what to do with while also having dissociative state trying to escape the energized body... it's like being stuck in a cross-fire... your body and mind isn't sure what to do. That's me atleast. God i'd hate to see you in the same way i was on those fucking PEAs.

Let us know how it goes!
 
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To me, despite the fact that it contains the skeletons for both structures... the LSD has more of an overall tryptamine effect profile than that of a PEA. It's not extremely energizing in the same way as most PEAs, and it's much deeper than most PEAs. Overall, It relates to a tryptamine imo easier than saying it relates to a PEA because because it has the structure in it somewhere, going by the general nature of the overall effects...

That is pretty subjective though. Personally I find the effects more similar to the PEAs I've tried (mescaline, mdma and 2c-i) than the tryptamines I have (DMT and mushrooms). Granted that is a pretty small range of chems to be comparing it to, but in terms of subjective effects for me, LSD is closer to phens. Especially in the area of spiritual depth where I find LSD somewhat lacking compared to mushrooms and DMT, and even mescaline and mdma.
 
To me 2c-e and LSD both feel more like tryps than phens. All I'm saying is, who cares what " category" it's in. Psychs are too diverse to generalize. Two experiences on the same drug can produce complete opposite effect.

But back to the OP, I've never taken more than 40 mg's of any 2c-x(2c-b). So, sorry I can't help you, but I can say that 40 mg's of 2c-b was more intense than 125 mics of LSD.
 
wonderful experience.

intense and introspective, I recovered quite a few memories buried deep in my past, and watched them unfold as if I was reliving them. Saw my life laid out as a part of a larger fractal pattern where every action was a part of a larger pattern, where my behavior was stripped down to their most basic motivations, found new clarity when it comes to my basic behavior/emotions and issues I am currently facing in my life.

The "worst" aspect of the high dose was the stomach discomfort and a disorienting comeup, once that was over and the trip stabilized I found it to be a very beneficial and functional (for internal/psychological work) space. Oh and I spent an hour or two stretching and connecting with my body in a way I have never before experienced.

Oh and I started off with a baseline 30/20 mg B/I and then upped it by 10mg/10mg every 15 minutes or so, to help with stomach issues I usually encounter with this compound.


But back to the OP, I've never taken more than 40 mg's of any 2c-x(2c-b). So, sorry I can't help you, but I can say that 40 mg's of 2c-b was more intense than 125 mics of LSD.

perhaps because 125 mics is a very small dose.
 
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the only experience i have with any 2c-x compounds is 2c-t-2.

I have taken quite a lot of it and made it through, it was a pretty shitty experience though. I was pretty close to getting to point of being concerned for my health, if I had not been experienced with psychedelics I would have without doubt totally freaked out.

I feel so dumb even retelling the story, I fell victim to the classic "oh it's been x amount of time and I don't feel anything time to redose."

Altogether I had about 150mg in 3 hours or so. The trip was WAYYY too intense, overall my opinion of 2c-t-2 is that it is too stimulating and not deep enough, and (contrary to a lot of my research) it absolutely makes mincemeat out of my stomach.

I've also read reports on erowid of accidental doses of 2c-i in the 250mg range (poor dude mixed his 2c-i up with his metheloyne XD)


It sucks because the best advice with these type of things, you know take it slow up your dose gradually wait a good amount of time in between trips - are so contrary to the very nature of drug use. Like I want to trip NOW I don't want to wait a week!

that being said I feel irresponsible if I don't sound like your grandma and just remind you to be safe and that if you are questioning taking a certain dose asking the internet probably isn't the best thing to do. The best person to judge how you are going to react is yourself. Just like swimming it's best to slowly test the waters, just jumping in could find you up to your neck in something you didn't bargain for.

know your body - know your mind - know your source



above all be safe and have fun!
 
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