Massachusetts police say they can not and will not enforce marijuana ban

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Massachusetts officially decriminalized possession of small amounts of marijuana yesterday, but many police departments across the state were essentially ignoring the voter-passed law, saying they would not even bother to ticket people they see smoking marijuana.



"We're just basically not enforcing it right now," said Mark R. Laverdure, chief of police in Clinton, a Central Massachusetts town of about 8,000 residents, who said the law was so poorly written that it cannot be enforced. "You'll probably have a lot of officers that, unless there's a caller complaining about it, won't even bother with it. They probably handled a lot of it informally before and probably more so now."

Andrew J. Sluckis Jr., chief of police in Auburn, said his 39 officers would not be issuing $100 citations for possession of an ounce or less of marijuana, as required under the ballot initiative known as Question 2.

"If the Legislature enacts some changes, we'll be happy to do it in the future, but as it stands now we're not going to be issuing civil citations," he said. If an officer spots someone smoking marijuana, he said, "We will confiscate it and the person will be sent on their way."

"It is frustrating," he added, "because we have to deal with a law that is almost non-enforceable at best."

John M. Collins, general counsel for the Massachusetts Chiefs of Police Association, said he had been fielding calls from dozens of members across the state who believe the law is so flawed that it is "going to become a joke."

The ballot question passed in November with 65 percent of the vote. Backers said they were frustrated that possession of small amounts of marijuana in Massachusetts was a criminal offense, punishable by up to six months in jail and a fine of up to $500. Those convicted of possession could also receive a criminal record that could taint their job prospects for years, the backers said. Under the ballot measure that took effect yesterday, possession of an ounce or less is a civil violation, punishable by a $100 fine, with no risk of a criminal record.

Police say they have two main problems with the law.

Many complain that their current citation books lack a check-off box for marijuana possession and they have yet to receive updated ticket books, although temporary forms are available through a state website.

More fundamentally, they complain that officers have no way of determining the identity of people they stop on the street for smoking marijuana. Before the law was changed, officers could arrest them, or threaten them with arrest to force them to show identification. Now, they say they cannot force users to show IDs, and cannot arrest them if they refuse to identify themselves. And they say there is no penalty if a marijuana user gives a false name to a police officer

"Many of them are saying that until the law gets straightened out, we're not going to let our people waste their time chasing their tails on this," Collins said.

But some police departments have resolved to enforce the law, despite their reservations. Boston and Worcester, for example, sent out training memos detailing the ins and outs of the law.

"We think we'll be able to adapt to it and proceed accordingly," said Elaine Driscoll, a spokeswoman for the Boston Police Department. "We don't anticipate issues."

Boston's training memo, however, calls the law "deficient," because of problems officers could face in trying to identify people they spot with marijuana. Officers have no authority to search for identification, but they do have a "reasonable amount" of time under the law to try to determine names through other means, for example, by checking the names users give in an FBI database, the memo says.

The memo instructs officers to use their existing ticket books and note marijuana possession under a list of "other" violations.

Some chiefs said they would use creative means to determine someone's identity. William R. Walsh, chief of police in Great Barrington, said his officers might snap a photo of the user and ask officers at the station if they recognize the face, or they might let a marijuana smoker go and try to spot the person again around town.

"Officers with initiative and experience can find out if somebody is lying," said Sergeant Kerry F. Hazelhurst of the Worcester Police Department, who said his officers were ready to enforce the new law.

In Worcester, the officers were issued temporary tickets downloaded from the website of the state Executive Office of Public Safety and Security.

Like officers in Worcester and Boston, Daniel Rosa, chief of police in Billerica, said that despite the problems, "We're training our officers on it, and we will be enforcing it."

Police chiefs strongly opposed the ballot measure, which they predicted would encourage marijuana use. Judging by the chiefs' complaints now, "it seems that they never stopped campaigning against this, even though the law passed on Nov. 4th," said Dan Bernath, a spokesman for Marijuana Policy Project, a Washington, D.C. group that supported the ballot initiative.

"It's been surprising and disappointing to see the reaction of some folks in law enforcement since voters passed this," Bernath said. "It's a very simple and modest change and there's nothing new about having a civil violation process."

"I think what's really missing," he said, "is the willingness to enforce it."

Gregory I. Massing, general counsel for the Executive Office of Public Safety, said cities and towns can enact local ordinances that would criminalize marijuana smoking in public.

Meanwhile, the state is keeping a close eye on the law, he said.

"As we start to hear what the experience in the field is like," Massing said, "we'll carefully evaluate it and take whatever steps are necessary," to make the law work.
 
thats interesting. i always thought you had to show ID to an officer whether you are doing anything wrong or not. perhaps thats just in California though...
 
So now the police are choosing which laws they will enforce or not? I'm not allowed to choose which laws I won't follow. So why can they choose which laws they will not uphold?

They were more than happy to arrest people for possession. Excuses about not knowing how to write a ticket is a pretty lame excuse.

This is obviously a ploy to get the law rescinded because they are not happy with it. And refusing to enforce the law should be a criminal offense for police officers.
 
it's been like that in cali for as long as I can remember, my city (being very small and full of rich jews) has a huge police presence but in all my years of smoking weed I have never dealt with the police regarding marijuana once, I was once even arrested for painting graffiti and the police officer found cannabis on my person and simply threw it away and said "we might as well just not worry about that"=D
 
Fuck, they couldn't have passed this about 4 years ago when I was going to high school in Massachusetts...LOL

I wouldn't recommend moving to Mass though if you're a smoker. 2nd highest tobacco prices in the country.
 
many Mass residents just drive over the border to NH where the cig prices are very reasonable. I used to make that cig and alchy run to NH all the time!

I wouldn't recommend moving to Mass though if you're a smoker. 2nd highest tobacco prices in the country.
 
Talk about sore losers. Ah wah, they don't get to jail potheads anymore and have to deal with real crime now. 1/3 of Americans live under decriminalization, it is BS that they do not know how to enforce it. I hope the plan to overturn the law backfires and people do not get fined or jailed for weed. That is kinda how it is here in CA.
 
I have been one very happy Mass resident for the past couple months.....anticipating Jan. 2nd.

Keep in mind though, the ID thing will work as long as you aren't driving. Obviously, if you're driving, you need a license and they have every right to see it. (Needless to say, I know, but you know damn well some one out there is going to pull the "I don't need to show you anything." while they're behind the wheel, because what they read off the internet.)

The cops/chiefs are being babies about this whole deal, they've been bitching from the start. They're only pissed now because instead of driving up and down the streets looking for people who look like potheads to harass, they have to really work now.

On the 2nd, when the law came into effect, there was a ton of people in the Commons lighting up....

I like!
 
you DO NOT have to identify yourself to a cop in California. you DO in Nevada though.

i don't doubt you in the sense of what is the law....

but isn't refusal to show ID a suspicious act from which a cop can investigate further?

lets say im walking down the street, minding my own business. a cop accosts me saying i need to identify myself since there was a crime reported in the area and i fit the description... do i have to show ID?
 
amen!
More fundamentally, they complain that officers have no way of determining the identity of people they stop on the street for smoking marijuana. Before the law was changed, officers could arrest them, or threaten them with arrest to force them to show identification. Now, they say they cannot force users to show IDs, and cannot arrest them if they refuse to identify themselves. And they say there is no penalty if a marijuana user gives a false name to a police officer
I never thought id say this but hats off to those police officers, its truly beautiful when we all work together & put our effort into something beneficial for all the community.
 
This story makes me laugh. I think people should work to get the word out that you need not give your real name when hassled by the cops for smoking weed.

I can just see hos this will play out:

Officer: Excuse me young man, but you are smoking weed and that is against the rules. Now, what is your name?

Weed smoker: My name is smoky McPuff. Are you going to give me a ticket?

Officer: No, my tickets don't have the appropriate checkbox. But I am going to confiscate your weed.
 
So now the police are choosing which laws they will enforce or not? I'm not allowed to choose which laws I won't follow. So why can they choose which laws they will not uphold?

They were more than happy to arrest people for possession. Excuses about not knowing how to write a ticket is a pretty lame excuse.

This is obviously a ploy to get the law rescinded because they are not happy with it. And refusing to enforce the law should be a criminal offense for police officers.
jesus man. i really don't see what is not to like about this? i thought there would be rejoicing throughout the thread! 8(
 
I believe that LE is making all this noise about not being able to enforce the new pot law so that it gets rescinded. They are complaining about the pot law, not rejoicing in it. They want to see it taken off the books as though they have veto power.
 
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