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2C-C - Second Time - Good Vibrations

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Forgive the cheesy title 'good vibrations'. Not an original phrase to use in relation to psychedelia, but it seemed an appropriate one, given the focus of the peak of the experience. :)

This trip report was written thus: brief notes during the trip gave me a record of time-course; slightly more detailed notes were made at t + 5.30, trying to record aspects of the experience I feared I might forget; and this report was written, based on those notes but fleshed out by memories that still persisted fairly clearly, between 24 and 36 hours after the trip.


Dose, substance, route
t + 0.00 I took 66 mg (+/- 1 mg) of 2C-C, orally.
t + 3.10 to 3.20 I took 10 mg (+/- 1 mg) of 2C-C, intranasally.


Circumstances
I took the 2C-C alone in my flat at 10:25 pm on a Tuesday evening, having been awake since 08.30 am and having spent a mostly quite busy day at work, and with the prospect of having to be in work by midday the next day.

So the circumstances weren't ideal for tripping: some responsibilities existed in the next 24 hours, and I had had a relatively busy day; but despite this I felt physically and mentally in good condition; helped, I think, by having just finished a largish piece of work in that past day, and feeling thus that I deserved a treat, and would happily enjoy a night awake without work to do.


Expectations
Based on my past experience with 36 mg 2C-C, I was prepared for the possibility of a degree of motor tremors that might be uncomfortable during the come-up, possibly worse than last time since I was at a higher dose. My stomach was probably less empty than last time, but I expected 66 mg to be a large enough dose to take me beyond where I went before (mostly a pleasant, colourful, visual fairly mild ++ experience). Based on my reading, I expected this higher dose to be as brief as the previous (two hours to peak, two hours more to baseline).

I was uncertain whether the possible mild empathogenesis and gentle euphoria experienced during the 36 mg come-up would reappear, both because I wasn't sure it was 2C-C related, and because I thought a higher dose might take me more quickly past that phase, if it existed, without a chance to appreciate it.

I expected and hoped that I would reach a more unavoidably psychedelic state than was evoked by the smaller dose; and - to that end - had prepared an additional 12 mg, to be insufflated at or after peak, should I want to take the trip further. I expected this insufflated dose on top of the oral to be sufficient to propel me into an interesting trip indeed (since I'd guess it'd produce something like 90 to 100 mg oral all together). Based on others' reports, I anticipated that insufflating a 2C-x would be exceedingly painful for a few minutes, followed by very rapid come-up to a peak that would then descend just like an oral peak.


Summary
This more than met my expectations. A beautiful mellow euphoria developed into a period of ++ mild cognitive and visual psychedelia and, following the insufflated dose, I was shot into full psychedelia, of a profundity I have rarely experienced. And at every stage of the way, even during the rapid come-up from the insufflated dose, 2C-C seemed to hold (sometimes pull) my hand in a manner that made me entirely happy to come with it on the journey. Cognition, emotion and perception were enhanced, transformed, broken down, all in the most delightful ways.

The experience was brief, with the oral peak lasting about an hour, and the insufflated peak another hour. The oral peak took about an hour and a half to arrive, and the insufflated peak arrived about 10 minutes after insufflation. I was able to sleep at t + 6.00, three hours after insufflation.


Extended Commentary

Disclaimer: A Brief Disclaimer
Although I've taken a reasonable range of different psychedelics on a number of occasions (see Experience), I've only recently begun making proper trip reports. A consequence of this, for me, is that I have little clear memory of the nature of trips prior to recent months. Thus, anything I describe here may not be unique to 2C-C: these may just be typical trip experiences that for the first time I've noticed and got as far as writing down. It's only through writing trip reports on a range of substances, that I'll eventually get a clearer sense of how different substances differentially affect me.

Also, I'm just not very good yet at describing particularly the cognitive and emotional aspects of psychedelic experience. Hopefully, I'll improve that skill the more trip reports I write.


Emotion: A Mellow Ascent
As noted, I expected the empathogenesis experienced on the 36 mg come-up to be briefer and/or less noticeable on this higher dose, to be obscured by rapid onset of full psychedelia.

I was mistaken. :)

During the come-up of the oral dose, I experienced a deeper mellowness, at least as much empathogenesis, and greater euphoria on this dose than on the smaller dose.

When I say mellow, I do not mean sedated, although I can see how the two states are similar. [Surely this is not a sedating psychedelic? Unless others have experienced different to this. I look forward to getting a pulse/b.p-meter to assess peripheral sedation/stimulation; but subjectively I'd say there was mild peripheral stimulation at most and no sedation, and there was central stimulation (my brain was lively, not dopey).]

Rather, I mean profoundly physically and emotionally content. There is a certain stillness in contentness; it is, after all, a state of wanting for nothing... and if one wants for nothing, what need is there for action of any sort.

Time-course for the empathic euphoria:

t + 0.00 66 mg 2C-C, oral.
t + 0:30 'Very mild relaxed euphoria'.
t + 0:55 Feeling 'quite tranquil and lovely', but with a stimulated mind and emotional openness.
t + 1:00 Feeling 'very nice', not unlike a standard oral dose of Methylone or MDMA at peak (180 and 120 mg, respectively).
t + 1.15 to t + 2.45 Euphoric psychedelia; not really empathogenic per se any more, really.
t + 2.45 Baseline, aside from retrospective delight in what had passed.
t + 3.10 to 3.20 10 mg 2C-C, intranasal.
t + 3.25 to t + 4.15 Too deeply psychedelic to easily assess mood or level of empathy in any normal way, but there were strong emotional themes and senses of connectedness in this phase (see A True Psychedelic).
t + 4.15 to t + 4.45 Euphoric, delighted, full of laughter.
t + 4.45 Baseline again, aside from retrospective delight.

Vision: A Delightful Mosaic
During the visual peak of the oral dose (t + 1.30 to t + 2.30), I'd characterize the visual effects mainly as an overlaying of faint translucent dark green and red-brown copies of visual space, well to the sides of normal vision. One might say a simultaneous frequency shift of colour and phase shift of space, perhaps. Additionally, there were trails (temporal blurring of visual motion), and shifting depth distortion, and sparkles. As usual under the influence of psychedelics, my 'Wolf Net' poster (see my avatar picture, for a small version of it) was, despite its objective blackness, a rich network of deep purples and reds and greens. There was also a varying effect on spatial frequency: the wood panelling of my wardrobe, for instance, went from looking unnaturally smooth, to profoundly wrinkled, and back again, and back again, etc.

Time course for the visual effects of the oral dose:

t + 0.00 66 mg 2C-C, oral.
t + 1.00 Mild visual texture enhancement and distortion.
t + 1.15 Trails.
t + 1.20 Depth distortion, sparkles, translucent green/red overlay.
t + 2.45 Back to mild enhancement, and slight trails.

And that's the end of the story for the oral 66 mg dose, although I wasn't quite at baseline yet... the story of the visual aspects of the trip continues after a brief intranasal interlude...

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Interlude: Where Is Thy Sting?
Prior to taking the oral 66 mg dose, I prepared 12 mg further of 2C-C, with a view to insufflating it at or after the peak of the oral dose, in case I either wanted to extend duration or take the peak higher.

At t + 3.00, I felt that the peak had passed, and - lovely though it was - it hadn't taken me much further than the 36 mg dose on my first 2C-C trip. So I decided to insufflate some of the prepared dose.

At t + 3.10 (having found the prepared dose after what seemed a rather long search), I took 10 mg of it in one nostril, spaced over three insufflations in 10 minutes, at about 2 mg, 4 mg, and 4 mg, respectively.

Having read horror stories of the pain of 2C-xs' chemical nose-burn, I was expecting a few minutes of hell; but hell was not forthcoming. Instead, a few minutes after insufflating, I felt (for a minute at most) a distant, mild, stinging feeling at the back of my nose. This was no agony. Compared to the sense of having been punched in the nose that I had on the one occasion recently when I snorted some MDMA, this was a mere tickle. No problem for me at all on this occasion, hoorah! On with the trip...!

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Visual effects, per se, were not my main focus during the peak of the insufflated 10 mg dose (see String Theory). However, in addition to trails of course, a certain clear effect was noted: the whole visual scene had a distinct graininess. In other words, the size of the smallest unit of visual space was large enough to be perceptible individually (maybe about half a degree of visual angle). But each of these units was smooth, and not necessarily quite homogenous in colour within each unit. The closest I can come to describing it is as a mosaic. It was quite beautiful, and this at least I think I'm quite sure I've not had on any other psychedelic. Possibly one intense mushroom trip had something like it, but not quite those smooth rounded mosaic pebbles; rather sharper and more gridlike.

Another visual effect, noted between t + 4.15 and t + 4.30 but I'd guess present during the second peak if I'd had the opportunity to observe it: intense colour effects (and spatial phase shifting) were noted on the splattered (from cooking) white wall behind my oven. Objectively, the splatters were various shades of brown; I perceived purples, reds, greens, all sorts of lovely colours instead. Also, these were shifting in position, such that spots on the wall appeared with and then without colour. I usually don't notice these splatters at all: I can understand how some have spoken of enjoying (and doing a good job of) cleaning while tripping; although the position shifts might have caused some confusion. :D

Also during this period there was a curvature of straight objects; it seemed though I'm not sure to be confined within each distinct object: thus, my book case was curved, the picture on my wall was curved, but there wasn't a continuous curve linking them smoothly.

Finally, at t + 5.30 (two and a quarter hours after the intranasal booster), I noticed (after having thought I was visually close to baseline) a distinct spatiotemporal wave in my vision, vertically, with a spatial amplitude of about 3 degrees, a spatial frequency of about 0.1 cycles per degree, and a temporal frequency of around 0.5 Hz. This was observed in text on my computer screen. Whether or not it was present earlier, I'm not sure (perhaps the variable spatial frequency observed in my wooden wardrobe earlier was the same effect?). This effect was very like the classic cliche way that films represent a fade-to-memory on screen.


Audition: A Sound Material
During the booster's peak (t + 3.30 to t + 4.15), I experienced auditory enhancement and auditory psychedelia strikingly similar to those I experience at the peak of moderately high doses of DiPT. Specifically: I was intensely aware of sound, and particularly of myself as a source of sound; for example, as I moved my head slightly on a pillow - causing vibrations that would then reach my ear - the sensory-motor loop was vividly felt. There also appeared to be a throbbing rhythm (much like some of the simpler closed-ear-audials with DiPT). But, as with vision, so with audition: this wasn't the main focus of the peak, either. However, it did feed in to one of the main conceptual and perceptual foci (see String Theory)....


Various: A True Psychedelic
Tangled Experience

Okay, this is where it gets tricky. It becomes particularly difficult to disentangle cognitive, emotional and perceptual effects (hence my hedging some of the following comments with 'it was as if'); and not easy to recall the details, or even relate to the mental state I was in during this period.


No Time

Time-course within the peak is unfathomable. Rather, as in a night's sleep, there were various vignettes, themes, with no order but conceptual order (in what follows, I try to place the themes in a logical order, as it seems to me).

In fact, it was almost as if the peak existed outside of time; certainly it felt like that as I came out of the peak. I had a weird reverse deja-vu, as well; after the peak, I felt that there were aspects of my post-peak experience that I was remembering during the peak (even though the peak preceded the post-peak, naturally), as if the peak were like a spatial peak (e.g. of a mountain), from which the near future could be observed as easily as the past.


Switching Sides

I distinctly felt the moment that I passed from a controllable + or ++ to an uncontrollable +++.

Usually, on doses (of any psychedelic) sufficient to take me to a +++, the psychedelic has to wrestle me into that state. I'm not good at letting go or following the potential psychedelia of a ++. 2C-C seems different: during my earlier 36 mg trip, and also during the milder peak of the oral dose during the present trip, I was quite willing to follow and explore the leads offered by the gentle ++; to meditate (informally; I don't know how to properly meditate), and observe and feel. It's just so beguiling and friendly, it invites me into the trip.

But, during the peak of the insufflated dose (and I'm guessing this was relatively soon after reaching the peak, or indeed on the way up), I was taken from a willing but not very psychedelic + to a full-blown +++, and this time 2C-C took my hand and pulled me through, rather than just beckoning. I felt my usual detached and analytic self pushed to one side, and the involved (empathic/entactic, I guess, or in that part of the psychedelic spectrum), open aspects of my self allowed to surface. I was very conscious of this change as it happened (usually masked for me, I suspect, by anxiety and unwillingness to let go, during psychedelic come-ups), and was delighted by it.


So Alone

Not much to say about this, really, but one of the vignettes in the peak was an awareness of my aloneness. I saw myself (or imagined myself? I just don't know) from outside of myself, and I looked so lost. Forgive me, but this was a rather simple emotional experience. I basically just wanted my mummy.


String Theory

The awareness of vibration, and of myself as a source of vibration, extended and universalized during this trip beyond what I'd ever experienced on DiPT. For a while, my perception had broken down to the extent that it was as if I had just one sense. I'm not sure what to call this sense, but the actually-existing-sensory-system it most resembles is vibroception, since essentially I was sensing every modality equally as vibrations (the vibrations of air in sound, the vibrations of light in colour, the vibrations of my motor system, etc). Cognitively, this went beyond what I could sense into an awareness of absolutely everything as just vibrations of different frequencies, my body, the universe, all just symphonies of waves. Vibrations vibrating vibrations at other vibrations.

Two objective (I think) bodily rhythms formed part of this focus on vibrations: motor tremors and breathing. The motor tremors I'd found disquieting on my previous 2C-C trip were transformed into a subjective awareness of the objective fact of the universality of vibration. (ETA: I have been aware of this on higher doses of 2C-E too, I recall now.)


Flat Land

A particular idea (or feeling), in relation to vibration, perplexed me for a while. The thought that, if movement is relative (so says Einstein, right?), then is vibration relative too? There is no still point. I conceived (or perceived; damn it, I've no idea which) myself as just a vibrating mouth (rather, just a vibrating aperture) with the aperture opening onto the outside circumference of a circle, which itself was the source of all vibration (or the central vibrating thing; were I not an atheist, I would surely have conceptualized this in religious terms). I felt excitement and awe at the vibration, and believed that it was this excitement that caused my breathing (the vibrating of the aperture) to resonate with the vibration of the circle. But if I resonate with the circle (fully, in both frequency and phase), then - relative to one another - neither is vibrating at all.


Experience
This was my second dose of 2C-C. Previous experience with psychedelics (including a few debatable psychedelics) includes:

Methylone (more than a dozen times, at doses mostly between 180 mg and 240 mg),
MDMA (perhaps three times a long time ago, at 120 mg to 150 mg doses, I'd guess, and more recently one 80 mg dose),
2C-B (twice at 25 mg, once at c. 15 mg; twice more recently at 26 mg),
2C-C (once at 36 mg),
2C-E (half a dozen times, at 18 to 25 mg),
LSA (once, unknown low dose from perhaps 6 HBWR seeds, iirc)
LSD (a few times, a long time ago, mostly fairly low - but not precisely known - doses),
DiPT (over a dozen times before at between 60 and 100 mg oral doses),
4-HO-DMT and 4-PO DMT (both in the form of mushrooms, at a wide range of not precisely known doses, on many occasions, ranging from threshhold to intense trips),
4-AcO-DMT (four occasions, ranging from 10 mg to 30 mg),
pFPP (one occasion, 60 mg),
Salvinorin A (in the form of smoked Salvia divinorum perhaps a dozen times, range of not very precise doses, from threshold to intense in effects),
THC (in the form of smoked cannabis, innumerable times, wide range of doses).


What else passed my lips that day?
Food: Bowl of thick soup and 5 slices of bread and butter, at t - 2.30; slice of toast, crisps and chocolate bar at t - 4.30; sandwich and crisps at t - 8.30; two slices of toast at t - 12.30.

Other drugs: caffeine (in the form of tea and coffee) during the day, but at a reduced level (perhaps a cup of tea and one of coffee in the last 5 hours before dosing); nicotine (in the form of smoked cigarettes) during the day (perhaps 10 roll-ups). Tobacco and suspected synthetic cannabinoids (in Smoke) were smoked occasionally at various points in the trip, with no problems ensuing from them, and some enhancement perhaps at times.


What other drugs had I used recently?
Most recent was 98 mg DiPT oral 10 days before this trip. Prior to that was 26 mg 2C-B oral 22 days before this trip. No other psychedelic, empathogenic, or stimulant use (other than suspected cannabinoids, tobacco, and caffeine) in the past month.


Would I do this again?
Um... yes! :D Without a doubt. This may have been the most delightful and profound (simultaneously) trip I've ever had, I think (though, given my poor memory and lack of records, I can't be sure). 2C-E trips had matched it for profundity, psilocin/psilocybin trips more than matched it for visual complexity, and various trips matched it for delightfulness, I'm sure; but this trip was very special indeed to me: I have no complaints about it. I very much look forward to another journey with 2C-C.

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Great report
Thank you! :)

sounds like people have been shooting to low with the dose on 2c-c
Maybe... but bear in mind both that I had quite a full stomach (I hadn't eaten for 2.5 hours, but that was a large, protein-and-carbohydrate rich meal, and I'd snacked quite a lot during the day) and that I might generally need more than most (my DiPT dosage requirements appear to be relatively high compared to others, for example). :)

But yes, there seems to be a few people who say 2C-C shines in higher doses, and I'm now one of them. (Others, though, say it's best below 50 mg oral...)
 
yeah i could see how it would shine at higher doses i never got nething out of 2c-i till i got to doses over 40mgs. It was just boring, but that could just b personal chemistry. Do you find you need higher doses with 2Cs? Also do you know what an equivalant rectal dose would be with c?
 
I had no real negative effects from 2c-c, even after dosing 75mg+. Even at that dose, I was left almost completely lucid and able to function properly. I have basically come to think of 2c-c as chemical hedonism. Its great for a day hike;)
 
yeah i could see how it would shine at higher doses i never got nething out of 2c-i till i got to doses over 40mgs. It was just boring, but that could just b personal chemistry. Do you find you need higher doses with 2Cs? Also do you know what an equivalant rectal dose would be with c?
I'm not sure if I need higher doses with 2Cs, because my last major phase of 2Cx use was with 2C-E a while back when I had a malfunctioning scale... I thought I was taking doses around 20 mg or so, but it may have been a fair bit higher. Who knows? I can only really know about my recent use of 2C-C and 2C-B. With 2C-B, I've found 26 mg to produce a mild to moderate ++ on one occasion, and a slightly stronger (but never a full-blown +++) on one other occasion. On the former occasion, my fellow-tripper seemed to experience not much milder effects than I even though he had taken 12 mg just after eating a sandwich. So maybe; not enough reliable data to be sure, really.

As to rectal, I've no idea. I would be interested to know for 2C-C what the typical oral/insufflated/rectal ratios are for dosage...

I had no real negative effects from 2c-c, even after dosing 75mg+. Even at that dose, I was left almost completely lucid and able to function properly. I have basically come to think of 2c-c as chemical hedonism. Its great for a day hike;)
Cool. I'm thinking that I'd very much enjoy taking a moderate oral dose of 2C-C (maybe around 60 mg) and settling down to read a good book (maybe reread Olaf Stapledon's Starmaker). I think there's probably various delightful things that may be experienced on moderate doses. At the peak of my insufflated booster dose, though, I'm not sure how well I could have functioned (but who knows, since the need didn't arise).

Certainly, I'm getting the impression that this substance has, for me, a beautifully euphoric come-up, which - I think - either persists or shapes the psychedelic experience that ensues. Very pleasurable indeed. But not just hedonistic, for me, with my limited experience of it thus far... it seems to be quite capable of bringing me into quite insightful and still and emotional and moral states. I'd say it felt more therapeutic in its potential than merely hedonistic... although, as I said, it is very pleasurable. :D
 
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Bad Vibrations

Hm... odd... I've enjoyed a 66 mg dose, and insufflated beyond that, but today I took 54 mg oral, and I experienced quite disturbing and distressing heartbeat changes. I can only give my subjective impression, but it felt like my heart was pounding fast and furiously, certainly seemed at least 180 bpm, possibly higher - I wasn't counting, just feeling rather scared (120's my normal rate, I guess). It was actually quite disturbing. My tripping partner helped to calm me down, but it kept coming back in waves, less so each time.

I've not experienced such stimulation really in any of my drug experiences until now.

Factors that may have impacted on this stimulation: being in company, on the pavement, walking, rather than curled up on my sofa at home, thus making it a less restful experience; smoking cannabis and cannabinoids before and during the come-up.

It's hard to know whether it was a direct stimulant effect of the drug or a panic attack (it seemed remarkably like one, though it'd be the first of that nature and intensity that I've ever experienced).

Anyway, other than that, a lovely trip in many ways, which I'll report on in a TR of its own soon, I imagine.

But it did feel rather like I might die at one point.
 
Don't trust yourself to take your pulse on psychedelics, keep a BP/heart rate monitor close by. As I recall I had a minor elevation of pulse rate on higher doses of 2c-c but it wasn't all that significant. Once on DOI I thought my heart rate was going at about 200bpm; it turns out I just had no concept of time.
 
Don't trust yourself to take your pulse on psychedelics, keep a BP/heart rate monitor close by. As I recall I had a minor elevation of pulse rate on higher doses of 2c-c but it wasn't all that significant. Once on DOI I thought my heart rate was going at about 200bpm; it turns out I just had no concept of time.
Quite! :D I do indeed have no faith in my ability to estimate my pulse, and haven't yet bought a bp/pulse monitor (will do so in the new year). All I know is that my heart felt like it was going crazy. Who knows, it might have been misinterpreted indigestion; but it was probably the most scary physical experience I've had on a psychedelic (or any drug, I guess).

Interesting to know that such large perceived increases in heart rate may be psychedelic illusions. :) (I did wonder that during the trip... vibration does seem a rather prominent feature of my 2C-C experiences... since I was having to walk outdoors behaving normally, rather than letting my body vibrate freely, perhaps the vibrations were experienced as vibration in the heart rather than being located more pleasantly.)

ETA: I do suspect that, whether it was tachycardia due to stimulation or panic or not tachycardia at all but illusion, the cannabis may have played a role... the only discomfort I'd had on 2C-C before was when smoking a bit of cannabis during the come up of my first oral 2C-C dose (34 mg), which seemed to produce mild but disquieting stimulation; and on this occasion I'd smoked quite a lot of cannabis before and during the come-up. I suspect I should save cannabis for post-peak, or at least post-come-up.
 
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ETA: I do suspect that, whether it was tachycardia due to stimulation or panic or not tachycardia at all but illusion, the cannabis may have played a role... the only discomfort I'd had on 2C-C before was when smoking a bit of cannabis during the come up of my first oral 2C-C dose (34 mg), which seemed to produce mild but disquieting stimulation; and on this occasion I'd smoked quite a lot of cannabis before and during the come-up. I suspect I should save cannabis for post-peak, or at least post-come-up.
... oh! More than just a role, actually... I now think this has bugger all to do with 2C-C (except inasmuch as how I perceived the experience), and all to do with cannabis combined with (suspected) synthetic cannabinoids. I have just had (indeed it hasn't quite gone yet - just had to stop typing and go lie down, may have to again soon) a (milder, but qualitatively very similar) experience, on just a small amount of cannabis, Organicworx' Smoke, and tobacco mixed in a joint.

The nature of the experience is perceived increase in heart rate and the fierceness with which it's beating, perceived temperature rise and pressure/ache in the temples, and a general rush and hyperalertness.

I haven't had it at all today when just smoking Smoke; and when I had a little joint of just cannabis and tobacco earlier I was fine. It's conceivable I've just developed a weird sensitivity to cannabis (I'll have to try smoking just cannabis to see), but I suspect this is an interaction between the two cannabinoids, cannabis and whichever JWH (if any) is in Smoke.

ETA: If I'm right about this and 2C-C is excused responsibility, I'll be delighted. I'd happier give up cannabis or Smoke (or even tell my cannabinoid receptors to piss off entirely) than have to lose what was my growing sense of 2C-C's friendliness, loveliness, usefulness, beauty and power.
 
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Recently acquired a lil 2C-C myself as it happens. Only had a small taster dose from this batch, but your report has most definitely piqued my interest. Will have to investigate further in a slightly more organised way, methinks :)

Have used it once or twice before - plugged, and the dosage is roundabout half of the oral dose, at least it was in my case. I know exactly what you mean about the floating along in a pleasant, but hardly mindblowing state for the first couple of hours, and then - Wammo! - completely fell of the face of the earth for an hour or so. Not sure where I went but it was a mighty fine visit <3
 
Thanks, all... :) I enjoyed writing the report a lot; indeed the writing of the report was perhaps a crucial (albeit mostly retrospective) part of my enjoyment of the trip itself. Glad people have liked the report.

I've had several relatively unsuccessful trips with 2C-C since then, never once achieving the same level of delight and psychedelia; but then... I haven't attempted the same dose again, so that's probably why! I'm hoping to find an insufflated dosage to achieve alone what the oral+insufflated experience described above produced. Presumably this should be about 40 mg insufflated, a dose I've not yet tried. The heart-related weirdness from the later trip described in post 7 of this thread (even though I suspect it was more to do with other drugs - cannabinoids, tobacco, etc) made me rather cautious, so I've been gradually working my way back up with 2C-C.

I know exactly what you mean about the floating along in a pleasant, but hardly mindblowing state for the first couple of hours, and then - Wammo! - completely fell of the face of the earth for an hour or so. Not sure where I went but it was a mighty fine visit <3
Would it be reasonable to consider this a dissociative element to the experience? It seemed rather so to me, although I have very limited experience of dissociatives. If so, is this, would you say, peculiar to the 2C-halos or not? And would one speculate that this indicates activity other than serotonergic, on top of the classic 5HT-mediated psychedelia?
 
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Afraid you lost me a lil with the chemistry stuff there, Invert - never was so good at that side of things...

I would definitely describe the peak stage as being essentially dissociative though. Have very limited experience with 2C-C so far, but the one fully psychedelic experience I've had was not dissimilar to a rather colourful k-hole. One minute I was chatting away on BL in a gently buzzing way, the next I was in a kinda trance travelling through... something. It twisted and spun and spiralled a lot wherever it was. Took me completely by surprise after such a subtle ride up until then. Is very strange stuff indeed, 2C-C... Well worth further investigation, methinks :)

Have not really noticed anything that's comparable with any of the other 2C's I've sampled so far. Although I mostly dose fairly modestly so at higher levels a similar dissociated state may well kick in.
 
I would definitely describe the peak stage as being essentially dissociative though. Have very limited experience with 2C-C so far, but the one fully psychedelic experience I've had was not dissimilar to a rather colourful k-hole. One minute I was chatting away on BL in a gently buzzing way, the next I was in a kinda trance travelling through... something. It twisted and spun and spiralled a lot wherever it was. Took me completely by surprise after such a subtle ride up until then. Is very strange stuff indeed, 2C-C... Well worth further investigation, methinks :)
Indeed! My quasi-dissociative experience at the peak of 2C-C wasn't quite like that, but I found myself outside myself in many respects and in some senses not entirely conscious.

Have not really noticed anything that's comparable with any of the other 2C's I've sampled so far. Although I mostly dose fairly modestly so at higher levels a similar dissociated state may well kick in.
I think I've read people say that 2C-B at higher doses may be dissociative. I've not had high enough doses of 2C-B to confirm that, myself.
 
I would definitely describe the peak stage as being essentially dissociative though. Have very limited experience with 2C-C so far, but the one fully psychedelic experience I've had was not dissimilar to a rather colourful k-hole. One minute I was chatting away on BL in a gently buzzing way, the next I was in a kinda trance travelling through... something. It twisted and spun and spiralled a lot wherever it was. Took me completely by surprise after such a subtle ride up until then. Is very strange stuff indeed, 2C-C... Well worth further investigation, methinks :)

With 2c-c it often helps to direct the trip. It's not difficult, and only needs a small nudge. It's then much easier to get into one of these states. It just takes a little practice, but instead of being lead into such a thing, you can do the leading.

For instance concentrating on music, towards the end of the come-up phase, can lead to a highly detailed music oriented trip. Or clearing your mind using meditation, can lead to a very clear 'mindspace' where you can think about a single subject, in great detail, and with unusal clarity.

2c-c is indeed strange stuff, but it is also a great tool, or even just a fun thing to do.

Once you get to grips with a little directing, then you may well find you can get more out of a lower dose.
 
Would it be reasonable to consider this a dissociative element to the experience? It seemed rather so to me, although I have very limited experience of dissociatives. If so, is this, would you say, peculiar to the 2C-halos or not? And would one speculate that this indicates activity other than serotonergic, on top of the classic 5HT-mediated psychedelia?

2c-e, dom, and 2c-t-4 all come to mind as phens often described as having dissociative elements. I'm sure many would agree most psychedelics have the potential to be dissociative at high enough doses. I don't think of 2c-c or 2c-b as having those properties to a great degree though, although my experience with 2c-c is limited.
 
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