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GHB is growth hormone secretagogue, but not for some ex alcohol and cocaine users :(

I am interested to know how using once-a-day spiralled to using once-an-hour.
"Oh I took a dose already this morning... but one more before sleep shouldn't hurt."

"Well I take a dose in the morning and a dose at night, I might as well relax with a dose in the afternoon. GHB is harmless and I'm not addicted to it. I can stop any time I want."

"Fuck it, I'll just take it again."

And again, repeat.

I simply cannot imagine that happening to me, because I do not feel greedy for it and I am using it for a specific purpose.
That's what we all say, isn't it?

Why can't you imagine getting addicted to it? You mentioned that you're an ex-coke addict. You certainly are at greater danger of getting addicted to it than others with no history of addiction.

Do you think that there is any safe way to use GHB?

Yes, if you never found a dealer who sells it, and someone offered you a couple of doses, then that person died, and you had absolutely no way of obtaining more.

I am loathe to stop, because, so far, it has been extremely useful in enabling me to sleep very well and rise very early.

That's nice, but I should tell you that waking up early for meditation is part of of a practitioner's self-discipline. Using drugs to aid you with that defeats the purpose.

I know that GHB feels deceptively harmless. I didn't think I was addicted even when I was using hourly, until I started getting withdrawals every couple of hours if I didn't redose.

There is a percentage of people who never get addicted to it, but those are the same people who don't like it / find it useless.
 
personally i find GHB to be alot more addicting then GBL, as when using GBL for months i only took it in the evening, i was even forgetting to take it some days

while when i had some GHB i wanted to take it the whole time, interesting as for most ppl its differend
GHB gives you a great high with many benefits, it deserves your respect
 
Here's another way in which it can be dangerous: My best friend was hardly an addict, using only on the weekends. He woke up one Sunday morning after having been out drinking the night before (but was in bed by 3 am). He had a chat to his flatmate, went for 2 mils and a quick wank before going to meet friends for breakfast. Fast forward one hour to when his flatmate gets a call from the friend he was supposed to meet asking if my friend was at home and if she could check on him, because he had called to see where my friend was, but had only heard incoherent babbling when my friend picked up.

The flatmate went into his room to find him covered in vomit and his own shit and gasping for air. He'd asphyxiated on his own chuck and was near dead. The ambulance managed to revive and stabilize him and he awoke about 6 hours later, dazed and with no recollection of what had happened. That was the last time any of us in our group touched the stuff.

This was a random event. He had taken it 100s of times before. He had not taken an extreme amount, nor had he mixed it with alcohol or anything else. The amount of alcohol in his body from the night before would have been negligible at that point. I also have no reason to believe he is lying in any way. It's rare for this to happen, but possible. My friend isn't the first to have a bad reaction to it.

Personally, I have been addicted and it's not fun, and it really did take this happening before I stopped, despite wanting to before that. But I won't repeat my story, you've already gotten a good description of addiction above. And everyone's story is pretty much the same. Everyone I know started out thinking "this stuff's great! ...but I've got it under control..."
 
If you have only been using two weeks and already loathe the idea of stopping that should be a rather clear red flag to you. This is a little something we call psychological addiction, a quickly developing one at that. Probably much like your past cocaine experience, thought everything was cool and the blow was harmless until you realized your nose was trashed and wallet was empty.

No one is disputing the usefulness of GHB and it certainly sounds like a nice improvement to your life but listen to those above who have been there and done that, IT IS THE HONEYMOON PHASE, nothing more. Also I don't mean to disrespect your spiritual beliefs but if you really think eating onions is going to affect mediation you are more than a little wacked out. If fish ruins your zone out fest then I assure you administering strong GABAergenic drugs will also fuck things up. Be cool and slow down before you become psychologically addicted and cant let go.
 
I slept without G last night and it was perfectly ok.

Also I don't mean to disrespect your spiritual beliefs but if you really think eating onions is going to affect mediation you are more than a little wacked out.

Something new for you:

http://www.rense.com/general76/Dpi.htm

The entire allium family is off the menu...

If you consume onion/garlic/chives/leeks/spring onions you find yourself more than a little wacked out for meditation.

The same goes for coffee, tea, chocolate and alcohol. I also avoid tomato and potato.
 
^ There is so much wrong about this article that I don't know where to start!

Also, you avoid garlic and chocolate because of what some egoist decided to tell you over the internet, but intend to take GHB daily, despite all scientific and anecdotal evidence out there?

Medieval, I honestly don't remember, it was at some point in the middle of my 3 month-long binge. Could be anything between 3 and 10ml.
 
^ There is so much wrong about this article that I don't know where to start!

Also, you avoid garlic and chocolate because of what some egoist decided to tell you over the internet, but intend to take GHB daily, despite all scientific and anecdotal evidence out there?

Medieval, I honestly don't remember, it was at some point in the middle of my 3 month-long binge. Could be anything between 3 and 10ml.

  • I have stopped taking GHB.
  • It did not interfere with my meditation.
  • That was interesting to me.

Yes, I avoid tamasic and rajasic foods, not because of an article I read on the internet, silly, but because yogis should only eat sattvic foods.

This is a new concept for you. You did not know about it until I told you.

Tamasic Foods

Dark, and dull. A tamasic diet benefits neither the mind nor the body. Prana, or energy, is withdrawn, powers of reasoning become clouded and a sense of inertia sets in. The body's resistance to disease is destroyed and the mind filled with dark emotions, such as anger, jealousy and greed.
Tamasic foods include meat, poultry, fish, eggs, alcohol and other intoxicants including drugs. Foods that are over-processed, no longer fresh, and/or difficult to digest are Tamasic. Foods that are prepared unconsciously or while the preparer is angry or in a negative mood are also considered Tamasic. If you are interested in vital health and spiritual growth it is best to avoid these foods. Tamasic items include meat, alcohol, tobacco, onions, garlic, fermented foods, such as vinegar, and stale left over food, contaminated or overripe substances. Overeating is also regarded as tamasic. Tamasic is the unhealthiest food of all.


Rajasic Foods

Rajas signifies the "can do" kind of energy. It is the energy, which we need to accomplish, create, and achieve. It represents worldly power and the sex drive. A Rajasic diet is good for "householders" who aspire to maintain a meditative mind but need to live and work in the world as well. It has been recommended by the ancient Rishis teachers that a combination of Sattvic and Rajasic foods for those who practice demanding disciplines such as endurance athletics, martial arts and Kundalini Yoga. They destroy the mind-body equilibrium, feeding the body at the expense of the mind.
Foods that are very hot, bitter, sour, dry, or salty are rajasic. Too much rajasic food will over stimulate the body and excite strong emotional qualities and passions, making the mind restless and uncontrollable. Rajasic foods include hot substances, such as sharp spices or strong herbs, stimulants, like coffee and tea, meat of animals and fish, eggs, salt and chocolate. Many of the ground foods are Rajasic. Eating in a hurry is also considered rajasic.


Sattvic Foods

Sattvic means pure essence. This is the purest diet for a consciously spiritual and healthy life. It nourishes the body and maintains it in a peaceful state. According to Ayurveda, this is the best diet for physical strength, a good mind, good health, and longevity. And it calms and purifies the mind, enabling it to function at its maximum potential. A Sattvic diet thus leads to true health: a peaceful mind in control of a fit body, with a balanced flow of energy between them. They are known to have a very cleansing effect on the body. A Sattvic diet is excellent for those individuals who desire to live a quiet, peaceful and meditative life. Sattvic foods comprise the diet of many sages, yogis and spiritual teachers. These foods are supposed to produce calmness and nobility among men. Eating fruits and vegetables increases one's magnetism. From what we understand today about diets we are sure that ancient Essenes and Rishis masters saints had a very good idea about food in general and their effect on the body and thinking pattern of man. Expression of the soul is dependent on the body, and the body is dependant on food.

The Sattvic diet consists of light, soothing, easily digested food. Sattvic signifies the etheric qualities and includes foods such as fruits and vegetables, especially sun foods and ground foods. Many Sattvic foods are sun foods are those that grow one meter or more above the ground. They have a quickening and lightening effect on the body's nervous and digestive systems. Ground foods are those foods that grow within one meter of the ground. They draw energy from the earth and are high in nutrients. Sattvic foods include sprouted whole grains, fresh fruit, land and sea vegetables, pure fruit juices, nut and seed milk and cheese, legumes, nuts, seeds, sprouted seeds, honey, and herb teas. Sattvic foods are those foods which do not agitate your stomach at all. According to the diet, the best foods are those that are fresh, which have a balance of all the six tastes and are consumed in moderate portions.

http://www.thelivingcentre.com/index.php?section=articles.view.28

La la la... 8)

It amazes me that this is not common knowledge.

It should be. Problem addictions are compounded by tamasic, if not rajasic foods.

This knowledge could be very helpful to bluelight members who are battling addictions.
 
This is a new concept for you. You did not know about it until I told you.
Interestingly enough, it is not completely new to me, even though I admit I am not too familiar with its specifics.

There is a similar system in Chinese Daoist thought as well.

I personally do not believe in different foods having different effects on one's "psychic" or spiritual body, or aura.

And honestly, it seems to me that meditation has not been too useful for you, since humility is a very important lesson that a mystic must learn early on in his/her practise.

Again, you claimed that GHB has not interfered with your meditation in any way. Does that not contradict the quote you posted here about Tamasic foods (which include all intoxicants)? How do you reconcile the two?
 
Interestingly enough, it is not completely new to me, even though I admit I am not too familiar with its specifics.

There is a similar system in Chinese Daoist thought as well.

I personally do not believe in different foods having different effects on one's "psychic" or spiritual body, or aura.

And honestly, it seems to me that meditation has not been too useful for you, since humility is a very important lesson that a mystic must learn early on in his/her practise.

Again, you claimed that GHB has not interfered with your meditation in any way. Does that not contradict the quote you posted here about Tamasic foods (which include all intoxicants)? How do you reconcile the two?

I am frightfully busy just now. Bye... =D
 
^ There is so much wrong about this article that I don't know where to start!

Also, you avoid garlic and chocolate because of what some egoist decided to tell you over the internet, but intend to take GHB daily, despite all scientific and anecdotal evidence out there?

Medieval, I honestly don't remember, it was at some point in the middle of my 3 month-long binge. Could be anything between 3 and 10ml.
wow those doses are high, i allways take 2ML

GHB is a great substance to use daily (with some breaks offcourse) dont take too much
 
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I have only tried GBL and that was only twice. The first night i kept dosing about .5 ml every 15-30 mins for about 4 hours and I thought it was great! The next night I thought it would be an even better idea to try 6 ml at once with a little tiny sip of sprite. The next thing i remember is being woken up by cops in the parking lot of carls jr in my car. When i looked around i saw that all my friends i was driving earlier had left. Turns out they were scared because i would not and could not wake up for anything so they called the ambulance and bailed.
 
Interestingly enough, it is not completely new to me, even though I admit I am not too familiar with its specifics.

There is a similar system in Chinese Daoist thought as well.

I personally do not believe in different foods having different effects on one's "psychic" or spiritual body, or aura.

And honestly, it seems to me that meditation has not been too useful for you, since humility is a very important lesson that a mystic must learn early on in his/her practise.

Again, you claimed that GHB has not interfered with your meditation in any way. Does that not contradict the quote you posted here about Tamasic foods (which include all intoxicants)? How do you reconcile the two?

I will not comment on my humilty or lack of it, but meditation and hatha yoga have been and continue to be a lifeline for me.

The Daoist thinking is analogous with ayurveda and it comes from the same root.

I am just guessing that GHB is not an intoxicant in the strict sense. It had no disruptive effects on my meditation at all. I was very surprised by this, because caffeine, cannabis and chocolate do, and they are supposedly mild.

I will make a post about the gunas and the doshas in the healthy living section.
 
@fortis

i beleive the impression your getting from certain foods is definatly wrong, as in my personal opinion i beleive that meat is the healthiest food for humans
 
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