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Here is my question...
Well I have 2 questions...the first is simple. Here I go.
Question #1) What should I use to do the conversion in? I thought a shot glass might work, so I bought one of those. But what if I need to apply heat (they have pretty thick glass on the bottom)? What would YOU suggest I use to prep the stuff (I know a spoon is not recommended)? Before doing anything, I should wipe the surface of the shotglass/whatever with rubbing alcohol to make sure it's somewhat sterile, right? Will I need to apply heat do you think?
Question #2) I need a starting point with the liquid measurement. I don't just want to jump right in with no clue about its solubility (and maybe add too much or too little vinegar or something). I am going to use 1 part vinegar and one part water to help neutralize the end product. Ideally, I'd like to make the solution 100mg/ml.
So, if I wanted to make it 100mg/ml, I would need 50mg DMT to dissolve in 0.25ml of 5% vinegar (because I'm going to double the volume by adding water at the end). Does this sound plausible? In your experience/opinion, about how much vinegar would it take to dissolve 50mg of DMT? Maybe a starting volume/guess if you aren't sure that I could start at? I don't just want to start blindly testing and waste DMT...
If you don't think 100mg/ml is plausible, would approx. 83mg/ml work (50mg would have to fit in 0.3ml vinegar, and then another 0.3ml of water would be added after conversion to make a 0.6mg shot of 50mg)? I just want to know what would be the ballpark amount of vinegar to spray onto 50mg of DMT, to dissolve it all?
If you can please help me, that would be great. Any advice you could give, or if you could refer me to someone who would know more about this certain thing. Anything would be greatly appreciated.
If you have any questions or are confused by anything I asked/said, please let me know and I'll clarify.
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I haven't used vinegar, but what I did was work out a rough molar ratio for DMT to citric acid. The MW of DMT is 188 g/mol. Since citric acid is a polyprotic acid, I think I ended up adding about 1 mole citric acid to 2 mol DMT, a rough estimation, but for acetic it's monoprotic so it's simple to estimate.
For 5% white distilled vinegar, there should be roughly 50 mg of acetic acid per ml. And since the MW of acetic acid is 60 g/mol, the ratio of DMT to acetic acid would be 188:60 or about 3.1. So to start, you'd add about 80 mg of acetic acid (1.6 ml vinegar) to 250 mg DMT freebase. Then add as much water as needed to get the concentration that you want. You should be able to get 100 mg/ml. If you need to add heat, just microwave a small amound of water in a cup wide enough to act as a heat bath for the shot glass. If it doesn't dissolve, just alternate trying heat and small amounts of vinegar until it's pretty much all dissolved. If there's a tiny bit that won't dissolve just leave it as it might be insoluble impurities.
A shot glass is fine. I'd wash it out, but it'll go through a micron filter after you dissolve it so keeping it completely sterile isn't important.
Let me know if you have anymore questions.
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Should I add the vinegar and make sure all the DMT is dissolved before I start adding water? Wouldn't that be better, or would it not matter? For example, adding 250mg DMT to the shotglass, then 1.6ml vinegar, then heat/agitate until it dissolves? How much heat/agitation/time do you think it will take to dissolve, or will it go fairly easily? Should I really heat it using a microwave? That seems like it could get fucked up somehow, or at least lose some product. Could I heat it with a flame, or does the bottom of a shotglass have too thick of glass?
I would ASSUME that 5% vinegar stings going into a vein, and I want to minimize that as effectively as possible. I was thinking I should neutralize it 1:1 with water (so it will be an equal amount of water and vinegar). Do I need to add this much water, or is it overkill? The reason I'm adding so much water is because I want the pain/stinging/acidity to be minimized when IV'ing. Just how much would it hurt to shoot straight vinegar, and do you think I need to add an equal amount of water, or is it not very acidic and should I not worry about too much pain at the injection site? Like, for example, would 1.6ml vinegar and 0.9ml water work? Or should I be safe and make sure to add 1.6ml water? (Remember the shot needs to be under an ml at the end, and I'd like to be able to IV 70mg if I wanted).
If I added 1.6ml vinegar and 1.6ml water to 250mg DMT freebase, the concentration would be ~78mg/ml, which is a bit weak (I don't want to have to push a whole ml of liquid into me unless I have to). To get it 100mg/ml, it would have to be 1.6ml vinegar and 0.9ml water. Would that work, and minimize stinging as well? Or is the stinging so minor that I shouldn't worry about it? Would you recommend ever JUST using vinegar, or would that hurt pretty bad going in?
Do I need a higher acidity of vinegar to get a higher concentration per ml? (I doubt it)
BTW: With the wheel filters, someone said in a thread:
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"You can only use them once, and I'd pre-wet them a bit and push a little extra fluid through afterwards to flush them, but you don't really have to do that, I guess."
Is this necessary/helpful? Like before using the filter, should I push like 0.1ml of water through it, and same with after? (To minimize wasted product I assume? What would be the point other than that?)
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Sorry, been a bit busy. Hope this helps. If you have anymore questions, don't hesitate to ask. I should be able to check my PMs sometime tomorrow. Good luck and enjoy! BTW, I found IV DMT to be enhanced to the 1000th degree if it's a supplement to a trip instead of just by itself. But I thought the same about smoked DMT ... too quick for me. IV DMT with LSD is the ultimate combination IMO. Instead of being jolted out of this dimension, it's more like a soft unveiling of the most beautiful experience the human mind can conceive. Lastly, remember to start low. 15 mg IV was near 40-50 smoked for me.
"Should I add the vinegar and make sure all the DMT is dissolved before I start adding water?"
Doesn't matter.
"How much heat/agitation/time do you think it will take to dissolve, or will it go fairly easily?"
No idea ... didn't take much with citric acid
"Should I really heat it using a microwave? That seems like it could get fucked up somehow, or at least lose some product. Could I heat it with a flame, or does the bottom of a shotglass have too thick of glass?"
Don't put the DMT in the microwave. Just put a cup cup with less than an inch of water in there, let is come to a boil ... take it out, and you have a heat bath. Put the shot glass in there and stirr ... homemade heat bath. Don't use a flame.
I would ASSUME that 5% vinegar stings going into a vein, and I want to minimize that as effectively as possible. I was thinking I should neutralize it 1:1 with water (so it will be an equal amount of water and vinegar). Do I need to add this much water, or is it overkill? The reason I'm adding so much water is because I want the pain/stinging/acidity to be minimized when IV'ing.
I don't know if it will sting ... I've only used citric acid, and that did sting intramuscularly but not with IV. I would dilute it a little bit at least.
Do I need a higher acidity of vinegar to get a higher concentration per ml? (I doubt it)
You need a higher concentration of acetic acid to get it more concentrated. I got 400 mg/ml with citric acid. BTW, don't worry about injecting 1 ml ... if it doesn't sting, that's better. Now for IM, 1 ml and upwards might be painful just from volume alone.
You can only use the wheel filters once, and I'd pre-wet them a bit and push a little extra fluid through afterwards to flush them, but you don't really have to do that, I guess.
You might lose like 1-2%, but you'll just be diluting if you do that.
This is all of the stuff I ordered in order to perform the conversion. I also purchased a shot glass and 5% distilled white vinegar.
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8 Millipore Sterile PVDF Syringe Filter 33 mm .22 µm
Terumo 23g x 1.5' Qty 10
5ml luer lock Syringe w/o Needle Exel 25ct
3ml with 1.5' 23g Terumo 10ct.
3 10 ml Clear Sealed Sterile Glass Vial (silver)
www.researchsupply.net
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I've heard that the acetate absorbs the most effectively. Just dissolve your extract in the smallest amound of vinegar at the lowest acetic acid concentration you can.
So maybe, take my crystals in a shot glass or soemthing and heat it until they melt and then take some distilled white vinegar and slowly add little bit by little bit until it is all dissolved.
this sound good?
no need to melt your crystals first. just add enough vinegar untill the dMT is fully disolved.
it works, try it and see.
so would it be recommended to dilute the vinegar a lil bit?
Put the vinegar directly on the DMT using as little as it takes to fully dissolve the crystal. After the DMT is dissolved you can double the volume (most vinegar is 5% acetic acid) with water if you're worried about the acid stinging your ass.. heh heh. I wouldn't worry about the vinegar too much though.
***vinegar comes in different levels of acidity, just look at the label.
QUESTION: Is this what I need?
"Millipore Sterile PVDF 33mm Syringe Filters"
".22µm pore size"
Another question: They look like big wheels. How do you use them? I would assume it's a different procedure than filtering with cotton. Do you actually put the needle THROUGH the filter, or what? What is the technique for using these motherfuckers? I have no idea how I would use one, but I have never seen one with my eyes, only pics on the net. Would it be best to use with solution in a spoon, or a shotglass, or what?
Also, can you use them multiple times? Or are they one-time use only?
RESPONSE: Yeah, thats what you need. They will fit onto the end a luer-slip type syringe, or or twist on to a luer-lok type rig. Then you can stick a needle on the end, and inject your solution into a sterile vial or whatever.
Dissolve your stuff, filter through cotton to catch the big pieces of debris, then suck it up into the (larger) syringe. attach filter/needle, push through filter into sterile container (or I guess you could backload another syringe that you will inject with). You can only use them once, and I'd pre-wet them a bit and push a little extra fluid through afterwards to flush them, but you don't really have to do that, I guess.
I have tried IM and IV extracted DMT (freebase+vinegar) and not run into any issues, but that doesn't mean it is necssarily a bright idea. a wheel filter is definitely called for, particularly if IM'ing (IMing is more dangerous than IVing in terms of abscesses and so forth.)
IM DMT - gentle onset and gentle comedown, very pleasurable. have done about 60-80mg, which was enough for serious visuals but not close to a breakthrough, which would probably require a fairly high dose.
IV DMT - fucking crazy intense. a friend did about 80mg and for about 5-7 minutes was totally gone, reported complete ego loss, "ceasing to exist," but an amazing, rewarding, and refreshing experience. about half of that, for me, was an intense psychedelic rush, still on earth pretty much, but very hard hitting ... in a good way.
I do not condone injecting extracted DMT, however, for harm reduction purposes, here's a clarification of fizzacyst's post.
You need:
-A needleless syringe (preferably luer lok) … this will contain the unfiltered solution and lock onto the inlet of the filter.
-Water (preferably bacteriostatic)
-A 0.22 micron filter
-A needle (just the needle tip, no syringe; this fits on the other end of the filter)
-A rubber-capped sterile vial for storage (pump the solution straight through the filter into the sterile vial)
-Alcohol wipes to swab the exposed vial top and injection site (soap works too)
"So, after attaching the wheel filter, I shouldn't re-attach the needle? I should just shoot the solution into the vial without the needle over the filter? Is there a reason for this?"
You will need a needle on it to penetrate the septum of the vial. Its important to not re-use a needle, if that is what you are asking. 1 poke per needle.
It is extremely important to use the .22 micron filter. You don't want that garbage going into you. You should use a sterile glass vial, with a septum on top.
It saves money to do a few doses at once, yeah.
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