LSD Info Request: What's going around – Numero Cuatro

[Pistachio]

It is odd indeed. It is hard to think of anything that can account for the variance in subjective experiences between different tabs. The pool of drugs which are active in such small amounts are very very limited.

Anyone care to take a stab in the dark?

 

[Mr Blonde]

just a note of clarification in re recent BRDF casualties in the EU. two individuals ingested each 1g or 2,000 doses of said substance dissolved in vodka. one is no longer with us while severe vasoconstrictive action led to peripheral gangrene and subsequent amputation post extended coma in the surviver. kids, needless to say, this is testimony to incredible stupidity of even the would-be-educated; please exercise caution when dealing w/the unknown.

I read about that one, the survivor was in hospital for several weeks and had toes and fingers amputated I believe...

Do you have any links to the dosing information though? Because the articles I read didn't give doses that they use at all.

 

[mindsurfer]

With LSD at least, the upper limit for re-dosing is around two hours, after that tolerance is going to mean re-doses are pretty useless.

I'm sorry, but this is complete nonsense. Back in my day (the 1980s) re-dosing was standard practice as the strength of tabs was so variable you would always start with one to assay the dose and re-dose as required. On many occasions I re-dosed at four or five hour intervals with entirely predictable outcomes, up to 24 hours. After that, I wouldn't know, I never tried.

What I would say is that if a new user, or faced with an unknown tab, take one at most, and then re-dose accordingly at a minimum of three hours if it's not getting you where you want to go.

I'll throw in a tip. It's very hard to get an objective assessment of the strength of a tab from someone you are getting it from, even someone you know or trust. The strategy I devised was to ask the person (assuming they had tried it themselves) "if I took one of these, could I drive a car?" (Note: not "should", but "could".) If the answer was "no", I knew one tab would be pretty strong.

Disclaimers:

1) Nobody should drive on psychedelics.

2) My comments apply to LSD. DOx compounds typically have longer onset, so a longer onset before re-dosing might be advised.

Psilo has some tolerance issues, so could probably contribute on the subject of re-dosing.

 

[Sanity?]

I think it would be impossible for him to accurately judge the intensity of the trip much earlier especially with the onset being as slow as mixer suggested, although this is probably the result of his own situation and the state of his body rather than it being these particular tabs. I find I feel effects within fifteen minutes usually, but on my first time it was very hard to tell if anything was happening at all until one hour or so.

But generally I agree, re-dosing LSD is less fruitful than trying to re-dose MDMA. But dosing LSD warrants more attention.

When I ate 1.5 of the Jesus tabs the come-up was really really fast. I was thrown into full blown tripping after maybe 25 minutes max with plenty of vomiting, uncontrollable shaking and hyperventillating. Having said that, after 2 hours I was fine and had a fabulous trip.

They clearly seem to be pretty strong and I don't know if my metabolism was weird but that was the quickest come-up I've ever had. Just get your friend to take it carefully.

I got amazing visuals from them and once I didn't feel like I was dying I felt great

 

[mindsurfer]

When I ate 1.5 of the Jesus tabs the come-up was really really fast. I was thrown into full blown tripping after maybe 25 minutes max with plenty of vomiting, uncontrollable shaking and hyperventillating. Having said that, after 2 hours I was fine and had a fabulous trip.

In my experience, the speed of onset is strongly related to the eventual strength of the trip. My strongest LSD trip I felt within 15 minutes. Same with (san pedro) mescaline. Strongest mushroom trip had a ridiculously short onset (10 minutes, tripping hard after 20 minutes). DOB took much longer, apparently regardless of dose, typically 1.5 hours. Hence it's a good idea to wait a few hours before re-dosing unknown tabs.

Anytime I took LSD and felt it within 30 minutes I knew it was time to "fasten the seatbelt".

 

[lil angel15]

I'll throw in a tip. It's very hard to get an objective assessment of the strength of a tab from someone you are getting it from, even someone you know or trust. The strategy I devised was to ask the person (assuming they had tried it themselves) "if I took one of these, could I drive a car?" (Note: not "should", but "could".) If the answer was "no", I knew one tab would be pretty strong.

How about I throw in a further clarification in that it's impossible to gain an objective assessment without GCMS testing. All drugs will affect people differently and without a 'real' objective assessment we will never know how good the gear we have is except for the subjective assessments we embrace from others.

 

[Doctor War]

I had a chat today to a mate of mine who's very much in-the-know on the current trends in perth - he said the current batch of red ohms and aztecs (aka geometrics ) each contain 100ug of LSD. Generally, yes, you take anything a dealer says with a significant grain of salt, but in this particular case, thanks to contributing factors, I'm more then happy to believe him. Subejctive bioassay is never that reliable, so it's good to get a little raw data coming down from further up the line.

I've noticed three seperate batches of the rohms, first ones broke out around hallowe'en time, they were real nice and feel jsut like the current ones, then the second batch was similar but much weaker (maybe degraded in transit, idk), and then the latest one seems to be much more on the level of the originals...

I know of an eager soul who decided the aztecs weren't potent enough, so they threw a drop of liquid onto one...

I hate to flip-flop, but I've got a hell of a lot of faith in my mate, and until i get around to ehrliching that shit it'll be my estimate too.

 

[malakaix]

I take everything said with drugs with a grain of salt.. as i will with this. However.. it is interesting to hear information on the particular tabs.. especially ones i have in my possession lol. I did find the geometrics (aztecs) less potent then the red ohms (assuming they both contain the same chemical and dosage) But this could be due too handling/travel/in-proper storage etc.. i don't know.

But i'll be trying them again soon anyhow.

 

[ActiveA]

Would a whole Strawberry Tab be okay for a first time use? Or should a tab be split and had with an hour or more in between?


I have a mate who wants to try, but I'm not very experienced so I thought I'd ask all the experienced people here.

 

[sparr0w]

Would a whole Strawberry Tab be okay for a first time use? Or should a tab be split and had with an hour or more in between?

I have a mate who wants to try, but I'm not very experienced so I thought I'd ask all the experienced people here.

A whole strawberry tab would be fine for a first time. I've had these tabs on plenty of occasions and have suggest 1.5 to newbies before and they really enjoyed that experience.

 

[ActiveA]

A whole strawberry tab would be fine for a first time. I've had these tabs on plenty of occasions and have suggest 1.5 to newbies before and they really enjoyed that experience.

Cheers mate, next weekend will be good.

 

[nanobrain]

the BRDF dosage was not stated prior to herewithin due to this information not being available to either the attending physicians, the police, coroners' office or forensics. again, the overdose nvolved ingestion of 1,000mg or 2,000 doses per individual.

I read about that one, the survivor was in hospital for several weeks and had toes and fingers amputated I believe...

Do you have any links to the dosing information though? Because the articles I read didn't give doses that they use at all.

 

[nanobrain]

and back on topic of good LSD, a liitle bluebird of happiness was heard to chirp: Australia, gget rready, for you aint seen acid like this yet. without a doubt this shall be the the summer to remember. the crystal - piezzoluminescent clear blonde - hasnt even got a name yet..or so that birdie said, or was it on tv?

 

[mixer]

When I ate 1.5 of the Jesus tabs the come-up was really really fast. I was thrown into full blown tripping after maybe 25 minutes max with plenty of vomiting, uncontrollable shaking and hyperventillating. Having said that, after 2 hours I was fine and had a fabulous trip.

They clearly seem to be pretty strong and I don't know if my metabolism was weird but that was the quickest come-up I've ever had. Just get your friend to take it carefully.

I got amazing visuals from them and once I didn't feel like I was dying I felt great

I'm not sure why but every trip I've had whether strong or weak has always taken between the 1 and 1 1/2 hour range to fully set in. So maybe judging the onset of the tabs by my experience is not such a good idea (re: pistachio and his mate). I did however experience no nausea or any physically discomfort for that matter.

But I agree with you, these tabs are fabulously strong. It was a majestic experience and after smoking the joint I was thrown into the strongest trip, and the visuals throughout the trip were absolutely breathtaking.

 

[Mr Blonde]

the BRDF dosage was not stated prior to herewithin due to this information not being available to either the attending physicians, the police, coroners' office or forensics. again, the overdose nvolved ingestion of 1,000mg or 2,000 doses per individual.

I should know better then to ask but...

How do you know this then?

 

[mindsurfer]

How about I throw in a further clarification in that it's impossible to gain an objective assessment without GCMS testing. All drugs will affect people differently and without a 'real' objective assessment we will never know how good the gear we have is except for the subjective assessments we embrace from others.

Cool. But when our GCMS gear at home is broken, why wouldn't we try a few questions like "could I drive a car?" or "could I talk to my parents?" to get some rough idea of what we're dealing with?

 

[Mr Blonde]

^ Because set and setting is very important as well and can affect how a person experiences the 'intenseness' of the trip?

And driving a car under the influence of LSD is just a bad idea period... I've been on trips where if I wanted to drive it probably would have taken me ten minutes just to get the keys out of my pocket and into the ignition.

 

[Doctor War]

and back on topic of good LSD, a liitle bluebird of happiness was heard to chirp: Australia, gget rready, for you aint seen acid like this yet. without a doubt this shall be the the summer to remember. the crystal - piezzoluminescent clear blonde - hasnt even got a name yet..or so that birdie said, or was it on tv?

Silver or higher?

 

[malakaix]

^ Because set and setting is very important as well and can affect how a person experiences the 'intenseness' of the trip?

And driving a car under the influence of LSD is just a bad idea period... I've been on trips where if I wanted to drive it probably would have taken me ten minutes just to get the keys out of my pocket and into the ignition.

It's horrible hey.. i once had to drive coming down (i was about 10hours in) and it was almost like i forgot how to start the car..

That said ive been a passenger in a car while peaking (driver was sober) and i just couldn't even imagine how someone could drive on acid. The road split in two and was mirroring itself endlessly into the horizon..

 

[Mr Blonde]

^ Oh, I haven't tried it... I was just saying that given how hard it is to do simple things sometimes when in an intense state, I doubt I could get the car started.

I can just imagine me trying to drive and sitting at a green light while I'm lost in thought loops.