The Big & Dandy 2C-E thread (Reorganized)

[MDPV_Psychosis]

2c-e is strange like that. Sometimes, for whatever reason, a dose you are familiar with will either be way too strong or too light.

It's strange that all three of you experienced this, though... is it possible the scale used to measure the doses was not accurate? Perhaps it needs to be recalibrated.

2c-e is extremely stable, so I highly doubt it has degraded.

 

[lysergication]

Could this be psychological?
I have never in my life experienced something like this, 2c-e is really really strong, and I am very sensitive so I am really confused?!

Could be bullshit for some, but I think tripping with other people is a collective thing...maybe the third guy is a hard head and you've experienced some kind of contact high.

 

[white_magic]

Hey guys, I'm about to get a reasonable quantity of 2c-e and was wondering what would be a good way to give it a proper first run? I was thinking of going hiking/walking with friends and each take a 10mg pill just prior to all that. Also, none of us have done 2c-e before, only other psychs. Does that sound like a good idea?

Also, what's a good way to minimize the chances of getting nausea? Is there a way to minimize nausea when you get it?

 

[Obyron]

I'm a big fan of indoor tripping, but I seem to be a minority. Most people here are going to recommend being out in nature with 2C-E, and I guess I can see the appeal. Remember that 2C-E has a non-linear dose-response curve, so start at a low dose and move up carefully. 10mg probably won't do much, but it'll give you a feel for it, I guess.

I doubt such a small dose will give you much in the way of nausea. 2C-E is the only RC that's ever made me sick from the intensity of the come-up, and I found the best solution was simply to puke and be done with it. You'll feel a lot better afterward, and getting the negative thoughts off your mind can only help your trip. Some people try to fight the nausea, and the discomfort can bring their whole trip down.

 

[white_magic]

I'm a big fan of indoor tripping, but I seem to be a minority. Most people here are going to recommend being out in nature with 2C-E, and I guess I can see the appeal. Remember that 2C-E has a non-linear dose-response curve, so start at a low dose and move up carefully. 10mg probably won't do much, but it'll give you a feel for it, I guess.

I doubt such a small dose will give you much in the way of nausea. 2C-E is the only RC that's ever made me sick from the intensity of the come-up, and I found the best solution was simply to puke and be done with it. You'll feel a lot better afterward, and getting the negative thoughts off your mind can only help your trip. Some people try to fight the nausea, and the discomfort can bring their whole trip down.

Ahh.. well the nature aspect is just nice all around and gives a new dimension to psychs. That said, the weather in northwestern U.S. isn't that great anymore, with rain and cold being hard to avoid. Do you think the nausea would be more/less severe under physical activity? I think at the same time, emptying your stomach's contents, if necessary, might be a bit more convenient outdoors than indoors.

 

[Xorkoth]

I don't find that 2C-E produces much nausea... the only times it does are when it's so intense it causes psychosomatic nausea for me. Generally though it's not likely at all to make me nauseous. With a low dose I seriously doubt you'll feel any.

Anyway, I concur about being in nature. 2C-E in particular is aqmazing outdoors... it makes everything so aliver and alien. 2C-E has amazing effects on sound... one of my favorite things to do on it is stand outside in a forest and just listen. You can hear everything and exactly pinpoint where each sound is coming from.

 

[underground_troll]

I've tripped on 2C-E outside on a few different occasions, and nature definitely gets that wonderful "psychedelic depth" to it. trees and roots and flowers are just permeating energy and alive-ness.

my most recent 2C-E experience, last weekend, was out on my deck at night around the fire with a group of really close friends. my boyfriend and i (who are the most experienced in our group) took 16mg, while the 3 other people took 10mg. 2 of the 3 others were being introduced to the stuff, and an interesting note is that one of the newcomers is in their early 60's! (although he has experimented with LSD, mushrooms and mescaline years and years ago)

that was definitely the most visual trip i've had on it, and i've taken it up to 27 mg. i think it must have to do with the fact it was dark, so my imagination was able to take off more than if i were hiking or outside during the day. i was also in a very comfortable situation, so my mind was free to explore the territory, no holdin' back. so, both tripping outside, and in a safe situation have their plus sides. personally, i like to test out a new drug in my home before trying it out in nature. especially one that is felt in the body as much as 2C-E. i have never gotten "nausea" per se, but i have felt intense energy in my stomach, which could have potentially led to vomiting if i hadn't been lying still, in my early experiments.

 

[underground_troll]

I am going to a show for a DnB/rock group on my birthday at a venue in downtown Los Angeles.

RC's are as rare as a $1 Mexican hooker without an STD in my area, but I magically found a gelcap with 15mg 2C-E in it.

I'm on an SNRI (150mg Effexor XR qd), so I want to take a slightly higher than normal dose to get normal effects. This will require the insufflation of the drug, since Erowid lists 15mg orally as a "normal" dose.

• Does snorting 2C-E really hurt that bad? If so, could it be counteracted by sniffing a little bit of ____caine first?
• I have read that insufflation makes the onset much quicker and the duration about half as long, is this true?
• I plan on putting a slip of paper in my wallet saying "I took __mg 2C-E", if I OD will a hospital know what 2C-E is and how to help an OD?
• How does 2C-E compare to a candyflip?

oh, and i strongly recommend NOT taking it at a concert for your first experience. especially if you're combining it with other medications....you never know what the reaction could be. remember that old cliche..."it's better to be safe than sorry"

 

[white_magic]

So then do you guys think that 10mg is a reasonable dose for a 2C-E first timer on a medium hike? I could raise it to like 15mg.. but then I'd have to keep moving (gotta stay warm) since I couldn't return home with eyes as big as flying saucers.

 

[ChampagneSupernova]

Why can't you go home with dilated pupils?

2c-e makes me think of a lot of stuff when I take it. If it were me, for my first time, I might get a little anxious then a little paranoid knowing I was stuck somewhere until I quit tripping. It just seems like the way you worded that, it might not be a good idea...

 

[white_magic]

Why can't you go home with dilated pupils?

2c-e makes me think of a lot of stuff when I take it. If it were me, for my first time, I might get a little anxious then a little paranoid knowing I was stuck somewhere until I quit tripping. It just seems like the way you worded that, it might not be a good idea...

Yeah, I meant what I said.. I don't want any household persons to see me like that. Which begs the question, "how long will the pupils stay dilated"?

 

[ectolysergic]

i dont see how anyone could fully embrace experimenting with psychedelics when they have to worry about factors like these.

you need the freedom to open yourself up and completely submit yourself to the experience. not to worry about the size of your pupils and how people may react to it. imo if you have to worry about about such things you should not be experimenting until you can be absolutely comfortable and without worry.

find a setting where issues like these do not matter.

 

[white_magic]

i dont see how anyone could fully embrace experimenting with psychedelics when they have to worry about factors like these.

you need the freedom to open yourself up and completely submit yourself to the experience. not to worry about the size of your pupils and how people may react to it. imo if you have to worry about about such things you should not be experimenting until you can be absolutely comfortable and without worry.

find a setting where issues like these do not matter.

Well out in the nature is a setting where these things do not matter. While I'm tripping I won't worry about it. But it would be nice to know the minimum time of how long I'll need to be out and about.

 

[invert]

Well out in the nature is a setting where these things do not matter. While I'm tripping I won't worry about it. But it would be nice to know the minimum time of how long I'll need to be out and about.

I would say that it would be a shame to feel you had to be out and about while tripping. It's nice to be flexible. But, from my experience of 2C-E, well, I can't tell you about 10 mg, because I've not tried it at that dose, but at 25 mg I believe I wasn't even near baseline before 12 hours after dosing, though I'm not sure whether my pupils were still dilated at that point. 18 mg was somewhat shorter, I think, but I can't remember exactly.

 

[Xorkoth]

If you're taking it orally, it will be about 10 hours probably. 8 hours would be the minimum I could imagine it having an effect, so maybe at 10mg you could have 8 hours, but I would estimate high at 10 hours just in case.

Geist: Snorting 2C-E is going to make it much more intense. I really do not recommend taking it for the first at a concert, and I especially do not recommend snorting it for your first time at a concert. It will be shorter but it will also be more ferocious... 2C-E can be an extremely serious psychedelic.

 

[Obyron]

I really laugh at the idea of someone snorting 2C-E for the first time, while also in public. Do you want to be the guy running around in circles clutching his nose, screaming in agony, unable to articulate what's wrong with you because the universe has suddenly opened your eyes to her inner mysteries, and you have realized that nothing has meaning anymore?

I'm a hardhead. I've snorted 10mg of 2C-E many times, and I'm telling you that what you're suggesting is a really really bad idea. I would snort that dose and then lay down and cuddle my floor for about 4 hours. Things like standing up and walking take on new significance after snorting 10mg of 2C-E. You will probably be staring off into space, and it's questionable whether you'll even give a shit about the music, which is ostensibly the reason you're going? It will be immediately obvious to everyone around you that you're either severely mentally retarded, or on drugs.

 

[underground_troll]

Yeah, I meant what I said.. I don't want any household persons to see me like that. Which begs the question, "how long will the pupils stay dilated"?

i don't find my pupils stay dilated for tooooo long....after 5 or 6 hours, i find that it's more like you just have an extra little twinkle in your eye

 

[white_magic]

i don't find my pupils stay dilated for tooooo long....after 5 or 6 hours, i find that it's more like you just have an extra little twinkle in your eye

Finally someone tells me something that is music to my ears :D.

btw, I agree with Obyron that snorting 2C-E while in public is quite stupid. Now would someone recommend a 15mg outdoors trip over a 10mg trip for a first timer?

 

[B9]

Yeah I suppose if you've done an ego dissolving trip on 5meo DMT then 15 mgs ought ( ymmv) to be OK.

Of course you'll consume say 0.5 mgs a few days before the trip to make sure you don't have an idiosyncratic reaction to 2CE.

 

[white_magic]

Good idea. I'll do just that. But then my tripmates should either do the same or go straight for 10mg I suppose.