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Extasy vs Heroin

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E is not essentially addictive and Heroin is one of the most addictive substances on the planet.
 
Personally i don't see the point in nodding off at a party, rave, club or any social event... I'm not saying that the high isn't highly enjoyable... just that its not something i find fun to do on a nite out... but coming back to the OP's post as "somekindoflove" put it "oranges and apples"... no comparison between X and H and Booze...
still i think there is a lot of "bad blood" against alcohol, on BL, whereas opiates n benzos are sometimes (intentionally or not) glorified... "yes H is more euforik than booze" and yes booze is an extremely dangerous substance... but to lots of people find it very enjoyable and it doesn't imediately transform them into droolin vomiting groping cunts....

I think a lot of people dislike alcohol because of the hypocrisy of it being legal whereas other less dangerous substances are illegal... and lots of people do get violent and/or annoying when theyve druk too much... but i'd rather stik to my pack of brews n chill with my mates rather than to nod of by myself....
 
JahReid said:
E is not essentially addictive and Heroin is one of the most addictive substances on the planet.
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While no one can deny that heroin is extremely addictive, I don't know if I agree that heroin is one of the most addictive substances on the planet. I agree that opioids in general are, but heroin seems to be put in a class of it's own mainly by people who haven't tried it. I find pure H to be quite sedating and I can nod from a dose as low as 15-20mg. It's not the type of drug I'd want to do before work or whatever. Oxycodone, fentanyl, hydrocodone, etc. on the other hand aren't as sedating for me and I can go about my normal business while high. I actually find the pharmaceutical opiates more addictive than heroin.
 
diacetylmorphine IS heroin!
Boiling in Acid said:
all (strong) opiates suck equally imo. heroin is only worse because of the (unhealthy) impurities & cuts in it, & because the scene of it's users tends to inject it more, & live a tough lifestyle using & getting it. otherwise, morphine, oxycodone, diacetylmorphine, hydromorphone, same. iv'e been into morphine withdrawal, it was worse to me than heroin's.
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Roger&Me said:
In absolutely no way can you compare alcohol to heroin. Alcohol is a sloppy shit drug in a category of its own,
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Actually it's not really in a category of its own -- barbiturates and benzos are fairly close (particularly the former).
FrostyMcFailure said:
4:03pm saturday: read all the posts and i think H and Alcohol do have somethings in common.
Example: they both produce THIQ in the addicts brain.
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You've been to way too many treatment centers =D.
Ham-milton said:
Stimulants: Cocaine, MDPV, Amphetamine, Meth, Desoxypipradol- Dopamine Reuptake Inhibitors
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Afaik meth is NOT a DRI -- it reverses flow of the dopamine pump in a similar way that MDMA does serotonin. Also fwiw: cocaine is a multiple reuptake inhibitor (dopamine, serotonin, norepinephrine).
 
Alcohol is garbage in my mind, yes i am biest! Its legal because 1# they tax the fuck out of it. 2# its "socially except able and clearly sophisticated"

Yet its one of the only drugs that has "death" as a side effect of withdrawl.. thats "cool."


mdpv: that one linner made me LoL literally so thanks.

ALSO it seems as if im not the only one whos been too too many treatment centers. (shoots accusing looks to corners of room)
 
Considering the bad reputation of alcohol among BL'ers, here are my 2. cents:

Alcohol is great. If you have the experience to use it wisely (specially the timing of the doses), alcohol can be an extremely pleasurable drug. Of course, it doesn't have the cocaine or heroin rush/euphoria, or the calmness of benzos, but it has a kind of mixture of all these drugs that really appeals me.
 
i know this, when i first strated doing 'drugs', it was alcohol and i loved getting drunk with my buddies..i had alot of good times, then i found GHb which was much beter than booze, no hangover, cleaner high etyc etc...then i found opiates(nubain, oxycontin, heroin), no turning back..it was better than ghb and booze at pretty much everything....now clean from opiates i have to rely on booze sometimes and most of the time i think to myself 'why am i drinking this garbage?'....

so, i sum it up...opiates just beat every other drug down...the calming yet socially stimulating effects that opiates have are amazing...
 
Indeed.

It's been a little over a month clean from opi, but I fucking think about it EVERY day. It's scary.

So, if you don't know what heroin even is...don't do it.

Stick to MDMA and other psychedelics, and cannabis.
 
heroin is SOO GOOd thats why u shouldnt do it..X is better (euphorically)..the thing with opiates , is u cant NOT like them, DONT DO THEM im addicted i would know, and no dont think "just cuz hes addcited i wont be" im a suberban middle class good kid and i didnt htink i would either
 
sonic said:
While no one can deny that heroin is extremely addictive, I don't know if I agree that heroin is one of the most addictive substances on the planet. I agree that opioids in general are, but heroin seems to be put in a class of it's own mainly by people who haven't tried it. I find pure H to be quite sedating and I can nod from a dose as low as 15-20mg. It's not the type of drug I'd want to do before work or whatever. Oxycodone, fentanyl, hydrocodone, etc. on the other hand aren't as sedating for me and I can go about my normal business while high. I actually find the pharmaceutical opiates more addictive than heroin.
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True in a fashion...Heroin withdrawls are short (mentally long)...as in pharms can be up to 2 months of fucking WD.. but not as severe if the doses arent extreme, its like if u need 500mgs to get high on any CODONES (oxy,hydro) then theres no difference u sho8uld seek help
 
man you guys are all hating on alcohol! I'm an opiate lover and I still thoroughly enjoy getting drunk every now and then, but maybe thats because I'm still pretty young and recently out of college? I would def NOT compare alcohol and heroin, but that doesn't mean that alcohol is a shitty drug or that it's useless...

Besides, opiates go together with a small amount of booze very well in my opinion...but don't try this combo at home, its unsafe and I make bad decisions.
 
It's fashionable to hate on alcohol here. It's pretty much the shittiest drug there is. I can understand a few drinks here and there as a social lubricant, but the thought of drinking to intoxication seems silly to me nowadays. Why would you want to get "high" on something that makes you so completely worthless and retarded?
 
I think the OP has done E and has had the euphoria etc and is curious as to how heroin euphoria is, only one way to find out but I strongly suggest not taking it. I have bad enough withdrawals from fucking codeine, I can't imagine or begin to how the withdrawals are from H. Sorry if this has nothing to do with what you asked, if you want to experience a little of how H feels take some codeine, say 60-150mgs first time. Some will say higher though.
 
Heroin is the greatest drug ever< you just got to be extra careful when using it since you can overdose and die if you dont know what your doing
 
DJ25 said:
I think the OP has done E and has had the euphoria etc and is curious as to how heroin euphoria is, only one way to find out but I strongly suggest not taking it. I have bad enough withdrawals from fucking codeine, I can't imagine or begin to how the withdrawals are from H. Sorry if this has nothing to do with what you asked, if you want to experience a little of how H feels take some codeine, say 60-150mgs first time. Some will say higher though.
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^This. Codeine and Heroin both metabolize to morphine in your system. Codeine will give you an abbreviated trial version of the opiate experience. Street heroin is of such sporadic purity that if you jump straight to H without any opiate tolerance you could harm yourself. Take the bicycle for a ride and make sure you can handle that before you jump on the crotch rocket.
 
HighScot said:
I have taken E a few times,took doves a couple of times which were just head blowers, unreal really. I have taken other E but nothing like the doves. I mean it was so powerful..

Anyway ... i have never taken heroin, but i imagine it to be like alcohol basically, as it is in the same category, i.e depressants....

So how powerful would heroin be compared to really good ecstasy...?
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ur way to "drug niave" to even be thinking about doin heroin...
 
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