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PRO-LAD - First Time - A Fun Night On an LSD Analogue

It is obvious that the LSD in LSD-25 stands for Lyserg Säure Derivativ ie the 25th derivative of lysergic acid. So of course there is was LSD-19. If you ask Sandoz now part of Novartis nicely they might even tell you what it is, I'm guessing it is a monoalkyl amide, whilst you are at it ask them what LSD-26 originally was.

it is almost certain that none of the analogues floating around is LSD-19 or LSD-26
 
vecktor said:
it is almost certain that none of the analogues floating around is LSD-19 or LSD-26
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why do you say these things? A lot of the time I don't follow the reasons you are using to come to the conclusions you make?

If you don't even know what the 19th LSD analogue is then how can you say that its unlikely somebody synthed it?

Not trying to be offensive, just tryin' to understand how you come up with the conclusions you make.
 
Gaian Planes said:
why do you say these things? A lot of the time I don't follow the reasons you are using to come to the conclusions you make?

If you don't even know what the 19th LSD analogue is then how can you say that its unlikely somebody synthed it?

Not trying to be offensive, just tryin' to understand how you come up with the conclusions you make.
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I use logic and deduction, I find it works pretty well for me.

look at the other analogues Hoffmann's lab made in the series made they are things like methylergonovine and plain primary amides of varying lengths none of which are highly active hallucinogens.

As far as I am aware and I do listen out, The only ergoline analogues that have been confirmed as appearing in the clandestine market up to now are the sec butylamide which was seized from Nick Sands' lab in Vancouver in the late 90's and what was thought to be the methyl propylamide in California though there are some problems with the identity of this second analogue. There may now be some 6-alkyl compounds floating around along with the dimethyl azetidine but they haven't been reported as being seized and analysed.

I have no doubt that Hoffmann having discovered LSD-25 went back and tasted a lot of the others in the series, yet didn't report any significant activity. why would anyone synthesize something clandestinely at great risk to their liberty that was only mildly active.
 
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word is an image of the structure/substitution pattern will be submitted tomorrow night, this will solve the mystery. LSD-19 is a made up name for the analog in question, that much is known. its great to see everyones panties up in a twist over this (my own included).
 
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Someone asked me to post this here, which is supposed to be the stuff circulating as LSD-19. There may be a mistake on the bottom right corner.

(sorry, i haven't really read through this, just posting something for someone)

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the last pic mysteriously vanished. so here's an alt in case the above goes away.
http://b.imagehost.org/t/0161/molecule.jpg
 
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Can somebody with ChemDraw or w/e draw us a better picture?
 
Is it APA-10? I think it is by comparing it to the entry for that in tihkal (under LSD)
 
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That molecule is "plain old" LSD-25, assuming the EI is infact Et. Otherwise it makes no sense. Also it's not very well drawn.
 
Why would someone say with a straight face and no hint of intentional deception that they have lsd-19, and then publish a weirdly drawn / written molecule of lsd-25 and have it submitted to various forums so that people could figure out what it is.

Was someone in the line trying to be funny or something?
 
Haha I was really excited about what this new LSD analog could be. What a weird thread, hah.
 
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