Harm Reduction Bupropion - started abusing it. Need something safer.
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The Last Time I Asked For An HIV Test, The People Working At The Health Department Looked At Me Like I Had 12 Heads. Nevertheless, Sara Bulloch Carried Out The Assay Herself In Front Of Me, And Seemed Surprised But Pleased That The Results Were Indeed Negative.
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What kind of a high do u get?
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No need to spam the thread
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Wow, lots on my thread since June. Well, I quit this shit for about 6 to 8 weeks. I did ice baths to get off of it, because fuck this shit feels like a nicotine craving times 1,000 once my blood levels get under about 400mg based on my half life calculations. Ice baths (48 degree Fahrenheit water or less. Had it down to 42) for however long I could stand (got up to 15 minutes) made everything go away. I mean, I felt perfect and it would last up to two days, then I just took another ice bath and it was natures medicine. Amazing.
Then my fucking CPTSD got triggered by exposure to some heavy shit that sucked me right back to hellish depression. I mean, imagine someone you loved died like a couple of minutes ago. That’s how I felt. For weeks. Ice baths worked for a few hours, but couldn’t fix it for long enough and I wasn’t about to freeze myself multiple times a day. Talking to recovery friends made me forget for a few hours, but then I got sucked back into my black hole. I dealt with this shit for weeks and was like, fuck it. I can’t do this, so I filled my prescription and started powdering it up again. Then I got Adderall. Couldn’t get Ritalin, but I got diagnosed with adult ADHD. Holy shit, that stuff makes sleep optional. I didn’t sleep for 3 fucking days. That was rough, then I figured out the correct dose and was able to sleep no problem at night as long as I stopped taking it from just 7AM to Noon.
Now my wife hid my meds from me and I’m about to lose my shit. It’s been four days since I’ve had any and I’m ready to cry. This shit sucks. I really wish I didn’t want it, but fucking A my body is dying for some. Sigh… hopefully this goes away and I can stop again. She’s really sick of me being in this merry go round. I tell her at least I don’t do stupid shit when I’m on it, but she’s like yeah but you’re going to fuckup your heart and die, and she has a point.
Oh well. Anyway. That’s the last two months.
Was off it for almost 8 weeks with the ice baths. Jonesing for it tonight like a crack addict.
Then my fucking CPTSD got triggered by exposure to some heavy shit that sucked me right back to hellish depression. I mean, imagine someone you loved died like a couple of minutes ago. That’s how I felt. For weeks. Ice baths worked for a few hours, but couldn’t fix it for long enough and I wasn’t about to freeze myself multiple times a day. Talking to recovery friends made me forget for a few hours, but then I got sucked back into my black hole. I dealt with this shit for weeks and was like, fuck it. I can’t do this, so I filled my prescription and started powdering it up again. Then I got Adderall. Couldn’t get Ritalin, but I got diagnosed with adult ADHD. Holy shit, that stuff makes sleep optional. I didn’t sleep for 3 fucking days. That was rough, then I figured out the correct dose and was able to sleep no problem at night as long as I stopped taking it from just 7AM to Noon.
Now my wife hid my meds from me and I’m about to lose my shit. It’s been four days since I’ve had any and I’m ready to cry. This shit sucks. I really wish I didn’t want it, but fucking A my body is dying for some. Sigh… hopefully this goes away and I can stop again. She’s really sick of me being in this merry go round. I tell her at least I don’t do stupid shit when I’m on it, but she’s like yeah but you’re going to fuckup your heart and die, and she has a point.
Oh well. Anyway. That’s the last two months.
Was off it for almost 8 weeks with the ice baths. Jonesing for it tonight like a crack addict.
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It’s crazy addictive and I don’t recommend it. It fucks up your nose something evil. Whenever I do it I make sure to flush my nose out with water about 10 to 30 minutes after. However long it takes for the numbness in my nose to go away because this stuff makes you go numb wherever it touches. By clean out my nose I mean literally inhaling warm water all the through and swallowing it from through my nose, spitting it out, or blasting out my nostril. I do that until it’s clean. If you don’t do that, you won’t be able to breathe through that nostril for a week. If you do that, it will just be a little irritated for a day or two, but you can breath fine. And you have to powder the shit out of it. No granules. Those fuck up your nose too. The stuff needs to be dust.
If you make the absolutely mist horrible decision of your life and decide to do this, you’ll feel like god for a few minutes, then watching anything with beautiful women in it is like being in heaven, and after a while, if you do enough, you’ll start to hallucinate. Eventually your body will get pretty worn out from it and you’ll sleep but terribly, waking up every 30 to 60 minutes.
Apparently if you’re prone to seizures you absolutely should not do this stuff. Thankfully, I guess I’m not, but it does make my muscles twitch a bit when it’s leaving my system. I’d you combine it with Adderall, your hands will shake, but that stopped after a few days once my body got used to bupropion + adderall.
this shit makes your heart rate and BP go WAY up too. Very unsafe. I run marathons, but couldn’t train at my peak performance when doing this stuff. My chest would feel like my cardio vascular system wasn’t working right. My resting heart rate increased from 50-60 Bpm To 80-90 BPM, and my blood pressure went from 73/119 to 100/137. If you’re not in shape, you’ll probably risk some serious cardio vascular problems.
Dont do it. Just take it like you’re supposed to, or do something safer like god knows what. Take an ice bath
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Oh I forgot to mention, you need to drink lotsa water too if you make the hellish mistake of doing this. Have like a liter of more of cold spring water. If you don’t drink that, you’ll end up with a terrible sore throat. This stuff is super caustic.
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Sept. 10th. Still hopelessly on this shit. Went too far over the weekend. Ran 10 miles in super high heat. Hadn’t eaten much in about a week. Lost about 10lbs over 7 days. Body wasn’t happy with me. Snorted I don’t know how much. Maybe another 600mg? I was up to about 1,200mg a day. Kinda felt like my heart had enough. Was kinda scary. Was supposed to take my son to the movies. I couldn’t do it. Had to lay down. First time I fucked up like that. My wife took him. I felt like shit about it. Moved down to 600/day. Once in morning. Once in afternoon. 300 each. Head started tingling on the left side this time. Was kinda in/out or being present. Going to have to go back to just chewing it, and getting off of it. Not feeling like myself or like I’m even present wherever I am has been nice. Maybe one day I’ll get off this shit.
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Bupropion is frighteningly compulsive. I could snort thirty 150 mg tablets in 3–4 days. Luckily, I never had a seizure. My worst binge was in April—a 7-to-10-day run mixed with pregabalin and clonazepam; I felt so productive and talkative, staying up all night writing, listening to music, and watching porn, while barely sleeping. When I ran out of everything, I fell into the deepest possible depression—I just wanted to sleep; I suffered from anhedonia and had no desire to do anything.
Hey, so we've talked in this thread and I want to tell you that there are natural ways to feel similarly to Wellbutrin, minus all the nasty side effects of going up, coming down, and having the compulsion to do more.
Have you ever tried: caffeine + L-theanine, or caffeine + L-tytosine? You could get all 3 at Walmart, target, GNC.. l-tyrosine is a precursor to dopamine and norepinephrine.
This is now affecting your family so maybe those over-the-counter drugs worth trying? Please let me know your thoughts.
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Your compulsion to continue with this unhealthy game is definitely intimately tied to your CPTSD. (But you already know that) Surprisingly, I see nobody here advising you to speak with a therapist about this. The way your situation looks from here is that you will never meaningfully quit abusing bupropion or any other stimulant - as long as you still have this shadow upon your subconscious. Please, I urge you to seek professional help about this; just trying to taper off isn't actually going to do anything, as every time you experience another 'trigger' you'll always end up going back to what seems comfortable. Speak to your doctor as soon as possible about getting a referral to a psychotherapist; keep trying to cut your intake to a manageable level, and keep with the ice baths.
If not for yourself, do it for the sake of your wife and children's future.
If not for yourself, do it for the sake of your wife and children's future.
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Yeah. I’m trying. I’m mixing dxm with it now. Only 300mg of bupropion and a little dxm (20-30mg) throughout the day maybe like four times a day so 80-100mg total. Seems to be making me happier. It’s mixed with that cough suppressant but what are you gonna do? I couldn’t find straight dxm.
I read the stuff I wrote on this thread and I feel like someone else wrote it. Kinda strange. Anyway. I’ve been able to keep the dose down and have been able to get off it for 10 days. Goal is totally. We’ll see if that ever happens.
I read the stuff I wrote on this thread and I feel like someone else wrote it. Kinda strange. Anyway. I’ve been able to keep the dose down and have been able to get off it for 10 days. Goal is totally. We’ll see if that ever happens.
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weed I suggest weed. Taper the bupri if its physically addicting
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Buy some DLPA (d,l phenylalanine). Dopamine metabolic precursor supplement. 1-2g per day. Safe to combine with coffee. Cheap af on amazon.
But for God's fucking sake DO NOT use any Bupropion with DLPA in your system. That will backfire stupendously and may cause seizure or psychosis. Do not combine it with any dopaminergic stimulant, particularly dopamine reuptake inhibitors, of which Bupropion technically is. Trust me on this, I know from first hand experience. Do not use it for potentiation, only withdrawal! You will regret it.
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this pulls at my heart strings saying you're disgusted with yourself. so honest and generous of you to share that. try to take it easy on yourself. this isn't a matter of will. addiction isn't a matter of weakness or poor morale character. it's a disease like any other disease. you wouldn't find out you have ALS and be disgusted with yourself, right? so give yourself a break. you can't fix an issue that developed over the course of months or years in a single day, or month. it will take time. one day at a time. and it sounds to me like @streaM Freak has a really good point: speak to a doctor. perhaps a dr can work out a treatment plan for you without ignoring your mental health challenges that are there and may arise with cessation. keep your chin up.
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Hey man I was at the point when I was younger. Nothing to be ashamed about. You will not always feel or act this way.
Are you ADD? I would take my advice about DLPA. It will help with cravings a lot. Your dopamine is likely downregulated from chronic administration of neurotoxic doses. But please also heed my warning about combining it, its no joke.
Fear not, the brain has remarkable healing powers. I have come back from worse, trust me. Like 8 seizures, 4 ER visits and being overdosed and in psychosis for weeks in a matter of 2 months. The brain always gracefully heals, but it is also the slowest organ to heal and often takes 3 or more months of sobriety to notice in extreme cases. Took me a good 2 months before my brain started feeling OK after that spectacle of human degeneracy which was that relapse I talk about.
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In the late 50’s/early 60’s CIBA Pharmaceuticals had on market Ritalin 100mg multi dose glass bottle of IV/IM/SC injection. 10mg to 20mg IV administration twenty minutes prior to talk therapy to promote a more talkative patient during therapy sessions
The Pharmakinetics of IV injected Methylphenidate strongly mirror the subjective effects of IV Cocaine HCL. Both compounds compete for the same binding centres in the CNS, Methylphenidate actually being slightly more potent at the DAT (nearly 2X more potent than Cocaine actually - regarding ED-50) however Methylphenidate has negligible effects on the SERT as Cocaine has strong efficacy at serotonin transporters
Cocaine users in a medical study had difficulty determining if they received IV Cocaine or IV Methylphenidate (Ritalin), both compounds enduring positive reinforcement effects and robust euphoria
Injecting hi dose Ritalin (Methylphenidate) is VERY potent & euphoric……..both Ritalin (Methylphenidate) and Preludin (Phenmetrazine) were highly sought after by hi dose injection users when pure powder was diverted onto the illicit market …..especially when Phenmetrazine was voluntarily removed from the market …..large quantities of pure API compounding powder of Preludin were available in Europe after the drugs removal
Phenmetrazine (Preludin) apparently was Extremely euphoric and desirable…..even more desirable and sought after than even IV Methedrine (d-Methamphetamine) by many users
Ritalin (Methylphenidate) was also very sought after by injection users as it’s subjective effects are nearly identical to that of Cocaine…..and unlike Cocaine, Ritalin MPH is 100% pure pharmaceutical grade Methylphenidate with zero adulterants or cuts, etc
Clean, professionally synthesized, and potent euphoric bliss
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Is IV ritalin really that much better from snorting it or something? I've been using ritalin myself after a few weeks of daily but responsible meth use (slept every night, typically around 50-75mg in the morning and maybe 25mg-50mg at lunch, and I have chronic downregulation/permatolerance).
Anyways, snorting isn't that much better than oral. I have a hard time imagining IV being close to IV cocaine, although you are correct their pharmacological effect is remarkably similar on paper, and I don't IV, so I'd be inclined to believe you as well.
I've also messed around with the RC which simply has an additional methyl group, methylmethylphenidate. I would describe it as more euphoric and closer to cocaine in effect, but also much less potent (I'd say it is 3-5x less potent by weight/dose than ritalin) and an even shorter duration of about 1hr (ritalin being around 3hr).
Ultimately was a waste of money and very cost ineffective, but I did enjoy it I guess while it lasted. A gram of that RC cost around the same as a gram of pure cocaine, but was much less desirable in effect. Never bought it again. But in terms of RC stims, it was OK I guess, mainly because it felt relatively safe, functional (discounting it's short duration and moreishness) and less neurotoxic than shit like pyros.
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