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Misc Any way to make ketamine more euphoric?

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Ive tried ketamine a few times. I dont know a whole lot about dissociatives in general so maybe this is a stupid question but im curious if there is a way to make ketamine more euphoric? The main reason i use is for a euphoric body high like opiates (which i cant use anymore due to a condition) ive tried ketamine a few times in the past and never got much of that. So im wondering if maybe its like pychedellics where it can be euphoric but its not as consistent as other substances? Is there a combination that could get this effect or maybe staggering doses? Let me know if anyone has experience in this field.
 
A khole. Its not verging on awkwardness and low euphoria if you go all in. Depending on how much you weigh, 100-125mgs IM or insifflated should do it. Just do it, put on a calm Playlist and lay down and travel the cosmos. If you're on mdma or something similar, or psychedelics, small bumps are definitely more euphoric and worthwhile.
 
A khole. Its not verging on awkwardness and low euphoria if you go all in. Depending on how much you weigh, 100-125mgs IM or insifflated should do it. Just do it, put on a calm Playlist and lay down and travel the cosmos. If you're on mdma or something similar, or psychedelics, small bumps are definitely more euphoric and worthwhile.
Completely agree. While I find some RC dissos euphoric at lower doses, ketamine really isn't. It can be awkward in sub anesthetic doses. Man I sure miss K holes.
 
Ive tried ketamine a few times. I dont know a whole lot about dissociatives in general so maybe this is a stupid question but im curious if there is a way to make ketamine more euphoric? The main reason i use is for a euphoric body high like opiates (which i cant use anymore due to a condition) ive tried ketamine a few times in the past and never got much of that. So im wondering if maybe its like pychedellics where it can be euphoric but its not as consistent as other substances? Is there a combination that could get this effect or maybe staggering doses? Let me know if anyone has experience in this field.
Maybe smoke a few doobies beforehand. Many people will say 'K-hole yourself' but watch out because the first time you do it, you actually feel like you're dying so be forewarned
 
Every time I have spent money specifically on "s ket" I have either been disappointed or somehow felt like I wasted money.

Maybe I just prefer racemic... or maybe I got mildly ripped off each time. Impossible to tell...

I think people dick ride it too much. Weed is weed. Ket is ket.
 
Every time I have spent money specifically on "s ket" I have either been disappointed or somehow felt like I wasted money.

Maybe I just prefer racemic... or maybe I got mildly ripped off each time. Impossible to tell...

I think people dick ride it too much. Weed is weed. Ket is ket.
As you said you miss kholes, I suspect you've likely never actually had s-iso ket before, might just have been ripped off, sorry dude.

racemic is 50:50 s-iso:r-iso, the s-iso that's in the racemic is what's giving you the hole, i've got r-iso and think it's physically impossible to hole from it.

you certainly would tell the difference mg for mg between race and s-iso, far easier to hole on s-iso
 
As you said you miss kholes, I suspect you've likely never actually had s-iso ket before, might just have been ripped off, sorry dude.
I'm sure I have. I have used a lot of ketamine. I just wasn't that impressed with it, but permatolerance may have been a factor. I certainly prefer certain batches of K over others. I have also never bothered to lab verify any ketamine for enantiomer purity.

Also nobody sells racemic or R ket on the dark net. Every listing is for S ket lol. I have technically only ever bought S Ket, I just automatically assume most of it is racemic... and every time I spent a lot extra for a source I was confident was real S ket it ended up either feeling like normal K or was actually worse, thats just my experience.
 
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Ive tried ketamine a few times. I dont know a whole lot about dissociatives in general so maybe this is a stupid question but im curious if there is a way to make ketamine more euphoric? The main reason i use is for a euphoric body high like opiates ... Is there a combination that could get this effect

Perhaps by adding some OTC sustainable (important) opioidergics / 5-HT1a agonists / dopaminergics / alpha-2 adrenergic agonists?
 
A slippery question. As people have noted, ketamine is chiral and the two isomers have totally different effects. Some people seem to prefer esketamine while other feel that the raecemate being 50% (R) ketamine is important since the latter acts on both the VMAT2 and PMAT transports i.e. increases levels of extracellular dopamine.

Long, long ago when MXE was just an idea, the very first step was to resolve ketamine to test the subjective effects of each isomer. Now others imbibed but most described (R) ketamine as being similar to cocaine and since I loathe cocaine, I abstained.

The IMPORTANT thing about MXE was to find a compound that was more potent but had a similar ratio of activities between the two isomers. Lest we forget, it took quite a few attempts with lots of slightly worrying first-into-man studies to find the right one. I think people forget that - it wasn't simply a case of 'well, this will do' but 'what is the very best possible'? Also MXE was a novel compound and I believe the inventor is named in the patent.

Since then I have shared the obscure GB patent (GB-1202834-A) covering what has been described as CXME (2-chloro-5-methoxy) i.e. it overlays both ketamine AND MXE. Why a US company would choose to go with a GB patent isn't clear. Possibly many things influenced the decision, none of them too ethical.

But don't forget that it's entirely possible to produce related compounds that are at one end of the spectrum ot the other, the 'magic' is in that ratio (unless you prefer the pure NMDA activity). If so, it's worth remembering that dizocipline was offered as an RC for a while but the reports are frankly quite scary. Now it even gets a bit more complex because a French team synthesized and tested TCP (tenocyclidine) homologues (FR-2858934-A1) and it was interesting to note that the ketone moiety seen in both K and MXE could be replace with a (chiral) methyl side-chain. They located two sites on the NMDA receptor and carefully tested to see the ratios between those two subtypes in each case.

One assumes that the aromatic could equally have been a (ring-substituted) benzene BUT nobody knows for sure. For example, I don't think the French researchers went back to test the ratio of dizocipline which is a shame because maybe it would hint at what makes that stuff almost universally disliked.

It seems the more we look at the arylcyclohexylamines, the more complex their activity is revealed to be and the more complex deriving a QSAR has become.

I think the one thing we have learnt is that the ketone is important not only because it affects the affinity but also because it alters the pharmokinetics. Without it, some of those compounds seem to act for far longer than most people are willing to endure.
 
A slippery question. As people have noted, ketamine is chiral and the two isomers have totally different effects. Some people seem to prefer esketamine while other feel that the raecemate being 50% (R) ketamine is important since the latter acts on both the VMAT2 and PMAT transports i.e. increases levels of extracellular dopamine.
I've never even bothered looking into it but I would imagine this is why I seem to not think S ket is special and seemingly prefer racemic. I have been chasing that dopamine dragon for 25 years. I was a junkie before I turned into a psychonaut.

S ket felt colder to me and it was probably just that missing dopamine.
 
S ket felt colder to me and it was probably just that missing dopamine.

Almost certainly.

When the arylcyclohexylamines were blanket banned, the 1,2-diarylethylamines really didn't get the QSAR studies it really deserved. Same thing, chiral and one is the NMDA antagonist, the other a dopamine modulator (being a bioisostere of lefetamine). Some even had some of the opiate activity of lefetamine. Sad, because it was an interesting class.
 
Almost certainly.

When the arylcyclohexylamines were blanket banned, the 1,2-diarylethylamines really didn't get the QSAR studies it really deserved. Same thing, chiral and one is the NMDA antagonist, the other a dopamine modulator (being a bioisostere of lefetamine). Some even had some of the opiate activity of lefetamine. Sad, because it was an interesting class.
MXE felt like it had both dopaminergic and MOR activity even at low dose. I still dream about that shit....

Martin Luther King Jr Mlk GIF
 
At the end of the day, raecemic ketamine has become very cheap in Europe partly because esketamine is now preferred for medical uses. Lots of criminals in India and China have bought up production lines that were suddenly worthless when the legitimate market shifted. The synthesis of esketamine is totally different.

I note (R) ketamine is now being offered as an API but I don't think it HAS a legitimate use! But it may represent a manufacturer who is hanging on by making raecemic ketamine and resolving the esketamine and in essence is selling off 'waste'. It's known that ketamine/cocaine mixture has it's own market be it called CK1 or Tusi. I expect that's where (R) ketamine goes.

It's SO cheap in bulk that importers are infiltrating SALT imports or simply using the fact that ketamine IS a widely used medical product and setting up paper companies, obtaining the licences to LEGALLY import the stuff and on the way to the 'end user' (in theory a business that converts the API to a medical form), on-shipping it.

At £5000/Kg, it only works when the scale is huge and kids are paying £20/gram.

When I first encountered ketamine in the early 1990s, it was mostly crusties buying it in India, boiling down the solution to a powder and bringing it back with them. It wasn't a controlled drug at the time so even if they were caught, the stuff was seized as the laws for provinding a [POM] without a prescription aren't severe.

I don't think I've touched it since about 1992. Interesting but nowhere nearly as amazing as some people seem to think. As usual, I don't touch anything non-pharmacutical as I don't play the 'mystery powder game'/ Especially not after having seen the amount of bunk being sold as ketamine.

MXE is the better of the two - or at least people who have experience of both have consistantly stated MXE is better. BUT it's far harder and more risky to smuggle.

But I don't believe a pure NMDA antagonist produces the levels of addiction encountered in the UK - it's the (R) ketamine being 'cocaine like' that is the real issue.

IF (R) ketamine was legally controlled i.e. if all medical ketamine was esketamine, that would make a huge difference.

It really is bizarre that something that cost £50/g in 1992 costs £20/g in 2026. Kids are using it like there's no tomorrow - which often is the case...
 
S ketamine is more sedative . Rac gives a tad bit more energy or mania(its still quite low on rac) . Pces pcps supposed to give even more mania, something I dont think id prefer or really would prefer exploring them.

Ketamine is okay, after a while when used to it, its a nice body buzz, and good for inflammation, and temporily depression releif , and it can come back, esp if diet, exercise, sleep, and vitamins, minerals, and hormones aren't in check. Ime more fresher weed seems to make it more intense. Older weed maybe not.
 
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