Yay or nay - is it possible to be a weekend warrior long term with hard stuff?

[BadBoy377]

100% agree

I was trying to make the point that there's linkage between how addictive the drug is and risk of increased use, for some hard drugs only using at weekends might be lower risk, for others the risk is greater because of an increased likelihood of using more/increasing frequency of usage - that's all I was pointing out


spot on

Yeah, sorry if I got a little personal there.

Was just ranting. I do that sometimes.

I think you're doing great, mate. Have a good day.

 

[placebonaut]

Yeah, sorry if I got a little personal there.

Was just ranting. I do that sometimes.

I think you're doing great, mate. Have a good day.

it's all good, and you do make a fair point about my own drug usage.

rightly or wrongly I've chosen to use multiple different drugs as a way to try to avoid becoming outright addicted to 1 single drug simply because I want to be high most days, and I know if I used the same drug most days I'd become addicted to it quite quickly - fucked up rationale I know, but it makes sense in my head.

 

[notsmokeymcpot42088]

and all of my grandparents died in hospice on morphine. and my aunt died of cancer on oxycodone. and anyone i know that died before typical life expectancy was an OD or drug caused death .

my immediate anecdotal experiences are representative of all of existence

Excellent point lol I was lowkey hoping youd come back with some data --- always make me do the googling. Here is the reality

Between 8% to 13% of US citizens aged 60 and older are prescribed opioids in a given year. This demographic has the highest rate of prescription opioid use across all age groups.

While exact statistics for the 70+ demographic are bounded within this bracket, data indicates that 4.4% to 5% of older adults are frequent users, filling four or more prescriptions per yea.


I will NOT BE COUNTING ON BEING IN THE 5%

Among elderly patients, ~4.3% are considered chronic users, while 2.8% are heavy users (using high daily doses of \(90+\) morphine milligram equivalents). [1]

so a 02.8 % chance the way I am looking at it. You advocated well for your family -- or they did for themselves.

What is that they say "Smoke em while ya got em" - "Stock up while its around" - "God helps those who help themselves" --- Dont trust the government or any of it's institutions.

 

[BadBoy377]

it's all good, and you do make a fair point about my own drug usage.

rightly or wrongly I've chosen to use multiple different drugs as a way to try to avoid becoming outright addicted to 1 single drug simply because I want to be high most days, and I know if I used the same drug most days I'd become addicted to it quite quickly - fucked up rationale I know, but it makes sense in my head.

You and me both, mate.

I did the same, like somehow slowly alternating substances will allow us to escape unscathed from the long term effects of regular substance use. Definitely won't leave a frayed rubber band of emotions where the cracks show when you stretch it too far from pulling in all different directions at once... Will it?

I read about this years ago. On here. From another user doing exactly the same thing. They termed it "The Superhabit" where eventually you just end up with ill effects from everything you've been using. Generally it's just a case of put it all down, slowly, bit by bit. Then see where you are, take stock and move on with your life. Or just fuck everything up big style with extra helpings of mental and possibly physical pain/discomfort.

Been there can confirm it's no fun.

Start with the booze and things will get easier and you'll feel better.

All the best.

 

[Dr. John Thackery]

Excellent point lol I was lowkey hoping youd come back with some data --- always make me do the googling. Here is the reality

Between 8% to 13% of US citizens aged 60 and older are prescribed opioids in a given year. This demographic has the highest rate of prescription opioid use across all age groups.

While exact statistics for the 70+ demographic are bounded within this bracket, data indicates that 4.4% to 5% of older adults are frequent users, filling four or more prescriptions per yea.


I will NOT BE COUNTING ON BEING IN THE 5%

Among elderly patients, ~4.3% are considered chronic users, while 2.8% are heavy users (using high daily doses of \(90+\) morphine milligram equivalents). [1]

so a 02.8 % chance the way I am looking at it. You advocated well for your family -- or they did for themselves.

What is that they say "Smoke em while ya got em" - "Stock up while its around" - "God helps those who help themselves" --- Dont trust the government or any of it's institutions.

about 50% of american deaths each year die in hospice care. they are all on morphine et al. and this amongst medicare patients, half of them utilize hospice for their end stages of life.

FastStats

FastStats is an official application from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s (CDC) National Center for Health Statistics (NCHS) and puts access to topic-specific statistics at your fingertips.

www.cdc.gov

 

[notsmokeymcpot42088]

Wait are you saying that 50% of deaths in America occur in hospice -- yes he is and that checks out - roughly 47% to 50% of the broader US population—die while enrolled in hospice

60% to 90% of U.S. hospice patients are prescribed an opiate for pain and symptom management at some point during end-of-life care.

So I GUESS IF YOU PLAN ON STICKIN IT OUT ALL THE WAY THROUGH HOSPICE -- Odds are a bit in your favor.

That is IF you MAKE IT TO --- And choose to HOLD ON and go to hospice. ( I do not so confirmation bias is at play here ) Hell if im paying 15k a month to keep me breathing when I wouldnt naturally be.

Dude DOES HAVE A POINT THOUGH. You wanna go to hospice you got at least a 60% chance of a script 'at some point'....

Ill still stay outside the system thank you

 

[Dr. John Thackery]

Ill still stay outside the system thank you

i wasn’t imploring you to.

i ain’t going to hospice at the end im eating a bullet or 5 grams of fent because euthanasia is illegal in this free country where you apparently don’t even have control over whether your own life gets to end legally and humanly

 

[notsmokeymcpot42088]

Fair -- nor was I you

I think we did a fairly good job of objectively showing what your chances of getting prescribed an opiate/oid longterm before death are.
Absolutely agree and would preach the same - you dont want your opi receptors burnt out when you actually need them for pain

We are absolutely sympatico about how we going out; fuck hospice - fuck the whole system frankly.

i wasn’t imploring you to.

i ain’t going to hospice at the end im eating a bullet or 5 grams of fent because euthanasia is illegal in this free country where you apparently don’t even have control over whether your own life gets to end legally and humanly

 

[placebonaut]

this thread went from 0-100 pretty damn fast

weekend warrior to euthanasia in 2 pages

 

[Dr. John Thackery]

this thread went from 0-100 pretty damn fast

weekend warrior to euthanasia in 2 pages

welcome to my mind

all things in life ultimately lead to death tho right?

 

[unodelacosa]

welcome to my mind

all things in life ultimately lead to death tho right?

"Today a young man on acid realized that all matter is merely energy condensed to a slow vibration, that we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively. There is no such thing as death. Life is only a dream in which we're the imagination of ourselves. Now here's Tom with the weather."

– Bill Hicks

roughly 47% to 50% of the broader US population—die while enrolled in hospice

Is that speculative or do you have those figures somewhere?

60% to 90% of U.S. hospice patients are prescribed an opiate for pain and symptom management at some point during end-of-life care.

That's a pretty big range. Where are you getting these figures from?

So I GUESS IF YOU PLAN ON STICKIN IT OUT ALL THE WAY THROUGH HOSPICE -- Odds are a bit in your favor.

When it comes to death, odds are not in anyone's favor… No one here gets out alive, ya know…

That is IF you MAKE IT TO --- And choose to HOLD ON and go to hospice. ( I do not so confirmation bias is at play here ) Hell if im paying 15k a month to keep me breathing when I wouldnt naturally be.

The trouble with that is that sometimes things happen so quickly, you never have the chance to end it all before you're trapped in hospice care, too ill to end it all and no choice but to tough it out and wait for death's sweet release.

I highly recommend drafting up Final Directives and a Last Will and Testament, then giving these papers to someone responsible that will make sure these directives are followed should you wind up in hospice care or similar.

Dude DOES HAVE A POINT THOUGH. You wanna go to hospice you got at least a 60% chance of a script 'at some point'....

Proper pain management can be a Godsend when we need it.

Ill still stay outside the system thank you

It not always entirely up to us what happens to us when we're at the mercy of our failing health to the point that others need to make decisions for us. Hence my mention of Final Directives.

 

[Dr. John Thackery]

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It not always entirely up to us what happens to us when we're at the mercy of our failing health to the point that others need to make decisions for us. Hence my mention of Final Directives.

that’s my biggest fear. being to incapacitated to kill myself when i’m that sick and near end of life.

i do have final directives to pull the plug and deny treatment. but nobody is going to let me have euthanasia …even within the CA rules they deny a lot of ppl with weeks left to suffer

 

[notsmokeymcpot42088]

"Today a young man on acid realized that all matter is merely energy condensed to a slow vibration, that we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively. There is no such thing as death. Life is only a dream in which we're the imagination of ourselves. Now here's Tom with the weather."

– Bill Hicks


Is that speculative or do you have those figures somewhere?


That's a pretty big range. Where are you getting these figures from?

Google A.I -- not a great source but for quick math it usually pans.

When it comes to death, odds are not in anyone's favor… No one here gets out alive, ya know…

Correct, I meant odds of getting an opiate script long term not immortality. Context is important.

The trouble with that is that sometimes things happen so quickly, you never have the chance to end it all before you're trapped in hospice care, too ill to end it all and no choice but to tough it out and wait for death's sweet release.

I know I would not let anyone I love get trapped in hospice care - I can only hope there are ppl who have the same respect for me. You do have a point tho -- as ive mentioned many times I know quite a few ppl who live with a g of fent in the prison pocket.

I do not quite feel like I am in that level of danger but preperation H (Thats the code name; its not thats a joke) is important lol

I highly recommend drafting up Final Directives and a Last Will and Testament, then giving these papers to someone responsible that will make sure these directives are followed should you wind up in hospice care or similar.

Absolutely and I will have A DNR

Proper pain management can be a Godsend when we need it.

It can. In all my years never met a situation where a doctor managed pain better than the streets. YMMV

It not always entirely up to us what happens to us when we're at the mercy of our failing health to the point that others need to make decisions for us. Hence my mention of Final Directives.

This part feels redundant but yes shit can happen and if you wanna be sure to NOT END UP IN THE SYSTEM -- You best have final directives. You are correct I should do that sooner than later but I feel like you jinxin me here lol

 

[Dr. John Thackery]

"Today a young man on acid realized that all matter is merely energy condensed to a slow vibration, that we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively. There is no such thing as death. Life is only a dream in which we're the imagination of ourselves. Now here's Tom with the weather."

– Bill Hicks

i don’t buy that universal consciousness / one consciousness BS. I definitely did when i was 20 and doing a bunch of psychedelics though since they create that delusion that’s also rooted in evolutionary insinct to survive as long as possible up to forever.

self aware molecules just have a temporary emergent property that is consciousness. when the assembly of those molecules is destroyed the consciousness is over - one and done. it’s not anything special or spiritual it’s an emergent property of chemistry.

“there is no such thing as death?”

- imo this is cope from ppl terrified of immortality as most of the population is. basically a hippies made up religion like all the other religions also promise that consciousness continues after death.

i’m more than comfortable that this ends and we never exist experience or feel anything again. in fact i’m thrilled that that’s how it is.

if i wake up into some sort of after life or second life im gonna be pissed and break everything there.

i look at the totality of life as one very long tiring day…good parts and bad parts , either way i want to sleep at the end of that long day and be unconscious.

 

[jitterer]

Weekend warrior. "Casual" user. A now and then thing. Enjoying it but not having it take over. Is this actually possible? Has anyone ever done it?

I'm talking about hard shit here. Heroin specifically but it could be coke or meth or benzos or alcohol.

Let's say there is this guy - not me obviously - who is ageing and has a long history (over 15 years) of opiate addiction (actually chemical dependency, is what it is). And this guy was compelled by certain events in his personal life to quit "for good". He's "quit" a dozen times but generally always returns to daily abuse and dependence. He says he knows it's essentially ruining his life and health but he cannot face the concept of never touching an opiate again. This guy is a pretty regular dude who does not at all give off hardcore addict vibes. He works full-time and has for many years. He does all the right things by society and minds his own.

Sobriety? OK. It's hard but I can see it. But swearing off forever? Total, never ever again, not even a little sniff type of thing? It feels like the walls are closing in just thinking about it .. I mean, that's what he told me it feels like.

So obviously I have not managed to do it and, from track record (pun intended haha IV heroin) probably never will. It will have to be on or off.

Has anyone done it? And I particularly am referring to those who have been heavily addicted to their DOC before at least once, not those folks who can do this and that once or twice and call it a day without issue.

I'm just gonna say it. Nah. Weekend becomes every couple days becomes daily becomes life. To quote trainspotting, choose life

 

[thujone]

it will always bleed into the week.

bad monday? well there's some of the stash left, couldn't hurt to have a taste...

having is using

 

[unodelacosa]

i don’t buy that universal consciousness / one consciousness BS. I definitely did when i was 20 and doing a bunch of psychedelics though since they create that delusion that’s also rooted in evolutionary insinct to survive as long as possible up to forever.

Watch out! We gotta badass over here I'm just messing with you. Look, it's a quote from the late stand-up comic, Bill Hicks, and it was sampled and used by Tool on the album "Ænima". No one's trying to challenge your atheism. It was just an offhanded comment thrown in there for fun. For the record, I'm not in my twenties and I'm not delusional. I respect the fact that you think consciousness ends upon death. I used to say the same thing too so I could break myself of that notion and perhaps shock a few people into questioning their beliefs, and I'll still play that card from time to time when the situation calls for it.

But these days, I'm no longer certain of anything. I have no idea what happens when we die, and I highly doubt any organized religion has it right including the religion of atheism. I guess I'm agnostic, but it's not my intention to make you so defensive. We're on the same side, to the extent sides exist here.

self aware molecules just have a temporary emergent property that is consciousness. when the assembly of those molecules is destroyed the consciousness is over - one and done. it’s not anything special or spiritual it’s an emergent property of chemistry.

I've been down this philosophical rabbit hole many times in my life. You're preaching to the choir, pun fully intended, but I'm asking you to question your faith a little.

“there is no such thing as death?”

Yes, it's not a novel concept. What are your thoughts on this video, and please try not to be too cynical:

- imo this is cope from ppl terrified of immortality as most of the population is.

I think you mean mortality…

basically a hippies made up religion like all the other religions also promise that consciousness continues after death.

I don't believe anyone is promising anyone anything. Hippies aren't going door to door trying to speak to ppl about Hippie God or whatever. There's no temple, no church, no mosque, just people trying to enjoy their lives a little as they make their way through this world.

i’m more than comfortable that this ends and we never exist experience or feel anything again. in fact i’m thrilled that that’s how it is.

I'm sorry life has been so vexing for you. Certainly I agree that this could be all there is, and I'm fine with that too if that's the case. I'm not afraid of dying, and it's a reminder for us to live our lives now while we can and to appreciate every moment we have in case this is true, to the extent we're capable. However, I'm also not going to shut my mind off to the possibility that there's something more to it all. The universe is an exceptionally strange place the more and more we learn about it. Seems foolish to write off the potential significance of mind-opening psychedelics as quasi-religious hippie bullshit, but what do I know? You're probably right; don't sweat it.

if i wake up into some sort of after life or second life im gonna be pissed and break everything there.

You already seem angry.

i look at the totality of life as one very long tiring day…good parts and bad parts , either way i want to sleep at the end of that long day and be unconscious.

That's fine. People wake from sleep though. Hey, it sounds like you're going through a lot right now. If you ever need to blow off some steam or just need a real person to talk to, message me. Whether one superconsciousness or not, we are all in this together and we can help each other out. Have you ever read any Kurt Vonnegut by chance?

 

[unodelacosa]

"Hard stuff" is not a fixed definition. Lotta debate around this terminology. Regardless, of course it's possible. Check out "Drug Use For Grown-Ups" by Dr. Carl L. Hart (who sometimes pops up in this forum, and he's great guy). However, it might not be easy or even possible for certain people predisposed to compulsive behavior and drug misuse disorder.

 

[Dr. John Thackery]

Watch out! We gotta badass over here I'm just messing with you. Look, it's a quote from the late stand-up comic, Bill Hicks, and it was sampled and used by Tool on the album "Ænima". No one's trying to challenge your atheism. It was just an offhanded comment thrown in there for fun. For the record, I'm not in my twenties and I'm not delusional. I respect the fact that you think consciousness ends upon death. I used to say the same thing too so I could break myself of that notion and perhaps shock a few people into questioning their beliefs, and I'll still play that card from time to time when the situation calls for it.

But these days, I'm no longer certain of anything. I have no idea what happens when we die, and I highly doubt any organized religion has it right including the religion of atheism. I guess I'm agnostic, but it's not my intention to make you so defensive. We're on the same side, to the extent sides exist here.


I've been down this philosophical rabbit hole many times in my life. You're preaching to the choir, pun fully intended, but I'm asking you to question your faith a little.


Yes, it's not a novel concept. What are your thoughts on this video, and please try not to be too cynical:




I think you mean mortality…


I don't believe anyone is promising anyone anything. Hippies aren't going door to door trying to speak to ppl about Hippie God or whatever. There's no temple, no church, no mosque, just people trying to enjoy their lives a little as they make their way through this world.


I'm sorry life has been so vexing for you. Certainly I agree that this could be all there is, and I'm fine with that too if that's the case. I'm not afraid of dying, and it's a reminder for us to live our lives now while we can and to appreciate every moment we have in case this is true, to the extent we're capable. However, I'm also not going to shut my mind off to the possibility that there's something more to it all. The universe is an exceptionally strange place the more and more we learn about it. Seems foolish to write off the potential significance of mind-opening psychedelics as quasi-religious hippie bullshit, but what do I know? You're probably right; don't sweat it.


You already seem angry.


That's fine. People wake from sleep though. Hey, it sounds like you're going through a lot right now. If you ever need to blow off some steam or just need a real person to talk to, message me. Whether one superconsciousness or not, we are all in this together and we can help each other out. Have you ever read any Kurt Vonnegut by chance?

yea it sounds angry to you because it has struck such nevrve that you ppl cling to and assign so much meaning and hope (cope) to without a shred of evidence for these things . im
fine though. probably the happiest i’ve ever been in life these days.


typical breeder cope, “you’re ok with death, euthanasia etc? - you don’t believe in god or supernatural stuff ??!!!”
“wow! you must hate yourself and be angry” “go kill yourself” that’s basically the only responses you guys always give when your deepest fears get triggered.


i stopped believing in santa claus…then later on i stopped believeing in religions or god in general, then also stopped believing psychedelic delusions about the same stuff. i stick to what there is evidence for. if there isn’t evidence i don’t make up that said thing exists because it makes me feel cope full (hopeful).

not everyone grows out of believing in santa, god, immortal consciousness etc. not everybody takes decades to study the sciences and find out how life could happen without magic. some of us are busy flipping burgers or digging ditches or just don’t have the discipline or intellect to understand how life can happen without magic, i get it . so magic makes the most sense for those people because it’s too terrifying to admit you die for real.

 

[placebonaut]

having is using

this

I have a stupid stash, it's like a candy store of fun to pick from, far far far too tempting