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Yay or nay - is it possible to be a weekend warrior long term with hard stuff?

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Weekend warrior. "Casual" user. A now and then thing. Enjoying it but not having it take over. Is this actually possible? Has anyone ever done it?

I'm talking about hard shit here. Heroin specifically but it could be coke or meth or benzos or alcohol.

Let's say there is this guy - not me obviously - who is ageing and has a long history (over 15 years) of opiate addiction (actually chemical dependency, is what it is). And this guy was compelled by certain events in his personal life to quit "for good". He's "quit" a dozen times but generally always returns to daily abuse and dependence. He says he knows it's essentially ruining his life and health but he cannot face the concept of never touching an opiate again. This guy is a pretty regular dude who does not at all give off hardcore addict vibes. He works full-time and has for many years. He does all the right things by society and minds his own.

Sobriety? OK. It's hard but I can see it. But swearing off forever? Total, never ever again, not even a little sniff type of thing? It feels like the walls are closing in just thinking about it .. I mean, that's what he told me it feels like.

So obviously I have not managed to do it and, from track record (pun intended haha IV heroin) probably never will. It will have to be on or off.

Has anyone done it? And I particularly am referring to those who have been heavily addicted to their DOC before at least once, not those folks who can do this and that once or twice and call it a day without issue.
 
I believe it is possible to stop using completely if the incentive to stop is greater than the desire to use.
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I had to really think on this.

I guess my follow up question would be: "Is it possible to have quality of life as a non-user if you were compelled (incentivised) to stop but didn't actually want to?"

Does it matter whether the motivation to quit is intrinsic or extrinsic? (That was a rhetorical question. Of course it matters.)

Maybe this is all going outside the scope of the original question. Clearly I have a battle to face, but I kind of wanted to phrase the question of the issue in a more light-hearted way to generate some fun, thoughtful discussion. I already know the answer to the question when it comes to me personally, but I was curious about the experiences of others.

What do you all think?
 
Hey Chippermonk!!

Your username was part of the reason I made this thread, so it's good to get the thumbs up approval.

I hope you weigh in because I think I read somewhere that you are a part-time user? A chipper? I'm not sure what thread it was but I was reflecting on my situation and I saw a comment from you and then I just started thinking about the whole chipping concept.
 
I don't see a real reason to quit using heroin besides pills

Take a chip off the block of an oxy, now that's a nice time

I don't see why we really need needles in our arms besides capitalism
 
It’s definitely possible but most people who were once addicted struggle to chip long term. But it’s definitely not impossible, I’ve seen it happen with booze, I don’t see why that wouldn’t work with other substances as well.

I think the biggest issue is whether the root problem that caused addiction has been dealt with. Many people cut back on their own once whatever issue has been solved. Those who haven’t, or can’t, improve their mental health tend to lose control sooner or later when they try chipping.
 
Depends on the person. I use morphine now but am not addicted and havent been for about 7 years. Same with benzos
 
I'm an occasional, casual user of some of the drugs I used to be really addicted to. However, I try to steer clear of the ones which were most problematic addiction-wise.

I was sober for two years, and I feel like that reset a lot of things. Then it was easier to go back to more casual use. That's not to say I haven't had some whoopsies, but I've never fallen off the wagon totally to the point of becoming dependent again.

I can't say I would recommend it though, because it's risky as fuck.
 
I just got off of a lapse period. Unfortunately, I find it very difficult to stop using once I start. I just don’t like heroin in one off periods. It’s kind of uncomfortable or nauseous and it feels fantastically good and it gets better with daily use. Gets worse with long term use. My last three lapse periods have been about two weeks each but with 7 not heroin. The first two were at 100 days each of them and this last lapse was at eight months. I don’t think I like the dope life or even the dope feeling enough to really commit myself to using dope consistently. It’s actually not fun when you get down to the brass tacks of use. Without that eight month break it seems like there is a kindling effect even once the withdrawal has run out. With this eight month break it seems like that effect might be diminished somewhat and like I might be getting less sick this time after using for fourteen days straight. I’m already out of money. I don’t have a way to get to work this week. Late on a car payment. And I really only used because I got really negative minded after getting a concussion at work. I did t even want to lapse or use drugs prior to the injury. I used because I was angry and now I’m in a bad position. I wouldn’t say that I’d really want to chip because it’s much more enjoyable to be strung out on dope. On 7 getting strung out kinda sucks because of the dose ceiling constantly increasing. It’s just a shitty boring way to live.
 
Like right now I really want to buy a pill with my last ten bucks but that puts me out completely for having gas to get to work. So idk man. Chipping just sounds like not that fun. Using opiates occasionally for a short period. Like an opiate vacation. Sure. Sounds fun. But fucking a chip off the block of heroin once in a blue moon. Sounds nauseous and overdosey
 
Lots of interesting thoughts on here already. In particular, these two stand out:

FIRST ONE

I think the biggest issue is whether the root problem that caused addiction has been dealt with.
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This is HUGELY important and I think it's what has doomed me every time. I've not yet been able to 'accept' sober life in all my adult years. Getting off opiates after heavy, daily use for years at a time is a brutal slog. But the tipping point isn't the acute stage of withdrawal - it's when that stage and PAWS is over and I am back to "normal". Then there's this moment where I feel "oh right, this is what I was running from", and it's not circumstantial, it is ME. I can't live with myself.


SECOND ONE

It’s kind of uncomfortable or nauseous and it feels fantastically good and it gets better with daily use.
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This is so true. Damn.

In the few times when I've had a run of sobriety, I have actually used the thought that I can one day indulge in some H as a motivator and bargaining chip with my own brain. "Not today or tomorrow. Not this week or this month. But once I've got a couple of months - 3 at least - I start fantasizing about using as a once-in-a-rare-while thing. That's the dream, the goal. From some opiates (mostly the classics derived from the poppy) I get a peace and wellbeing which I otherwise never feel, so the idea of never feeling that again in my life is hellish.

I hate being dependent, but I love the occasional use. I wish I could be not a weekend warrior, but a monthly warrior (wow, that's some clumsy phrasing and sounds like a menstruation fetish but whatever).

But when I am in those circumstances and I finally allow myself to indulge as a once in a blue moon thing after months of sobriety, the side-effects come in to fuck up the reality of the situation I've been fantasizing about for so long. The histamine response (even with some diphenhydramine), stomach cramping, nausea, etc come in to cause chaos. It's also hard to get the dose right as an irregular user. I tend to under-dose, because that is obviously better than over-dosing, but it can lead to disappointing experiences.

I have gone through periods of using for a few days and then stopping for a month, and repeat, and those have actually been great. I get my cake and I eat it! Infinite cake! But it has always eventually turned back into regular use, addiction, and dependence.

Not sure I'll ever be able to avoid that outcome; hence, this thread.
 
This is a very difficult to answer and I think it's largely subjective to the user which relates strongly to your first point. Can you be comfortable in your own skin without your doc, the answer for most of us who struggle with addiction is sadly no.

I don't think I can but sometimes I think that is stinking thinking convincing me that I need that security blanket.

Honestly I have been on methadone since 2000 so when it comes to opioids I have spent more than half my life dependant on them so I just don't know.

I have found that being on the lowest dose of methadone that keeps me stable and then adding a benzo to that gives me what I am looking for.

I would love to be completely free of chemicals but I am not particularly confident I can do it.

Even if I managed to get through the physical withdrawl I just don't know if I could handle life....having said that though I have been able to cope with some pretty serious shit and I think that most of us are capable of much more than we give ourselves credit for.
I think we are all capable of amazing things when we are forced into it.
 
Edward_Gibbon said:
I think the biggest issue is whether the root problem that caused addiction has been dealt with.
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biggest thing imho, then maybe the DOC and addiction potential.

I find I'm all or nothing, I like to be really really fucked up, not just a bit high - i steer away from the hard hard drugs as a result.

I've seen a fair few vids of people claiming to be "functioning heroin addicts", not so sure on the reality of that to be honest?

So I suspect you can be a weekend warrior on some drugs, the question is which ones?? weed, yeah no problem, fentanyl maybe not, Benzos? depends on dosage maybe??, tramodol? (slippery slop)
 
My vote is Yay

However I did eventually fail -- at least kind of with most things. Even when I used a needle I only used it two days a month -- no more than 6 shots.

I have used 1.4 w/e for almost a year on weekends than flushed the rest of it.

It is possible, certainly not easy and the odds are vastly against you
 
that’ll work as long as your life is going well. you’re using for fun after all. you can take or leave fun.

when you begin to suffer physically (as is guaranteed), well you know the fix for that. the fix to feel normal and stop the pain, the fix to perform at work despite the suffering and decay of your meat prison.

there’s a reason almost everybody that dies slowly in the modern world ends up on morphine sooner or later by the end. it’s just a question of how soon do you want to start? you’ll start sooner if you have the gear on hand and have a taste for it…at least that’s where i’d put my money, especially with someone with a history of real addiction. the bar for physical suffering you tolerate will be lowered by 1X per week use. you’ll fuck with your endogenous endorphin system and you will be lowing the bar of acceptable suffering that whence is reached you throw out using opioids for fun and start using them as tools, PEDs, or to “get by.”.

There is no free lunch when using drugs. you are altering your physiology and that disbalance will make you more succeptible to suffering and less resilient against it.
 
placebonaut said:
biggest thing imho, then maybe the DOC and addiction potential.

I find I'm all or nothing, I like to be really really fucked up, not just a bit high - i steer away from the hard hard drugs as a result.

I've seen a fair few vids of people claiming to be "functioning heroin addicts", not so sure on the reality of that to be honest?

So I suspect you can be a weekend warrior on some drugs, the question is which ones?? weed, yeah no problem, fentanyl maybe not, Benzos? depends on dosage maybe??, tramodol? (slippery slop)
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Mate,

I think you're using terminology to justify your choices there. Maybe you don't do meth, heroin or coke. But some psychedelics, amphetamines and benzos are absolutely 'hard' drugs in the potential harm they can do. It is entirely possible to use heroin responsibly assuming the supply is constant and unadulterated.

In fact, with all due respect, using pure heroin a couple days a week is definitely less physiologically damaging than the ongoing cycle of drugs (hard or not) that you've been subjecting yourself too. Not trying to pick on you, mate. But just give you something to consider.

Obviously if you're banging up bashed gear every day you're gonna fuck yourself up and ruin your veins but given a pure uninterrupted supply with minimal dose increases can be maintained for a long time with little to no damage.

Not recommending heroin. Or IV use. Just stating the facts.

It's definitely a lot less damaging than the cardiotoxic tropane alkaloid which is so socially acceptable for people to whack up their noses.

So yes, depending on your substance of choice it is possible to maintain use of 'harder' substances for a long term. And just because something's not labelled hard doesn't mean it isn't as potentially damaging as supposed harder substances.

Urghh I'm right wound up now, pass the fucking rock n pipe, it is Friday after all...
 
^Well said.

Depends largely on what you consider a hard drug, what you use, ROA.

IDK that "Everyone ends up on morphine eventually" -- grandpa 92 no opioids/ates - was offered darvocet but refused it. His wife no opiates when she died 80s -- which was shortly after a major surgery I gotta presume they gave her something for that.
Talk to a few ppl in they 70s one in his 80s who relies on 7 oh for ANY non tylenol/ibuprofen pain relief. Other grandpa died young, well 60s but no opiates -- the other grandma I do think got norco 7.5's when she passed. 1/4 and that was pre 2016

I agree with the general sentiment though -- certainly a price to be paid when say you gotta get a surgery and you on suboxone --- break a bone w/e there are very little options to go to -- not to mention if/when you quit you gunna start feeling the daily pains alot more.

I would venture most people do not in fact get prescribed morphine or any opiate long term/chronically before death?

Personally I have better luck going completely outside the system --- no damn healthcare why bother with em! The gas station literally gives better results. Merika
 
notsmokeymcpot42088 said:
^Well said.

Depends largely on what you consider a hard drug, what you use, ROA.

IDK that "Everyone ends up on morphine eventually" -- grandpa 92 no opioids/ates - was offered darvocet but refused it. His wife no opiates when she died 80s -- which was shortly after a major surgery I gotta presume they gave her something for that.
Talk to a few ppl in they 70s one in his 80s who relies on 7 oh for ANY non tylenol/ibuprofen pain relief. Other grandpa died young, well 60s but no opiates -- the other grandma I do think got norco 7.5's when she passed. 1/4 and that was pre 2016

I agree with the general sentiment though -- certainly a price to be paid when say you gotta get a surgery and you on suboxone --- break a bone w/e there are very little options to go to -- not to mention if/when you quit you gunna start feeling the daily pains alot more.

I would venture most people do not in fact get prescribed morphine or any opiate long term/chronically before death?

Personally I have better luck going completely outside the system --- no damn healthcare why bother with em! The gas station literally gives better results. Merika
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and all of my grandparents died in hospice on morphine. and my aunt died of cancer on oxycodone. and anyone i know that died before typical life expectancy was an OD or drug caused death .

my immediate anecdotal experiences are representative of all of existence
 
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BadBoy377 said:
Mate,

I think you're using terminology to justify your choices there. Maybe you don't do meth, heroin or coke. But some psychedelics, amphetamines and benzos are absolutely 'hard' drugs in the potential harm they can do.
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100% agree

I was trying to make the point that there's linkage between how addictive the drug is and risk of increased use, for some hard drugs only using at weekends might be lower risk, for others the risk is greater because of an increased likelihood of using more/increasing frequency of usage - that's all I was pointing out

BadBoy377 said:
And just because something's not labelled hard doesn't mean it isn't as potentially damaging as supposed harder substances.
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spot on
 
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