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legal breakthroughs?

koolman69420 said:
i know the worlds already kinda going to shit but it would be 10x worse if you could walk into walmart and buy methodrone
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Like going into a Walmart an buying a gun?

Legal control has singularly failed. Most people whose lives are 'destroyed by drugs' are actually destroyed by the legal status OF drugs which leads to manifold problems.

Methadone actually costs about $600/Kg so even at retail, it should cost pennies i.e. nobody would be choosing it over basics such as food, shelter and physical safety.

I'm totally for the fifth freedom by which any well informed adult has the right to purchace and imbibe (or not) whatever compounds they wish to. Clearly pharmaists are the only people who have the appropriate education to ensure a buyer IS well informed, that what is provided IS as described and that risks and interactions ARE clearly flagged.

I've lived in several European nations where simple posession of ANY drug isn't a crime and even that small change has made huge differences. It's good education that is the key. Such societies have learnt that giving children the truth rather than the politically expedient lie actually works. A full duscussion of the risks and benefits demystifies drugs and removes the whole lure of the forbidden. I've sat in with a couple of classes where 13-14 year old kids were having a discussion, asking questions and it ended with the conclusion that MAYBE some things may be worth trying but in general, drugs take more than they give.

When it's not 'cool' to take drugs, merely a matter of choice, most of them simply decided that any adult who feels the need to use drugs to appear 'cool' as in fact quite the opposite.

So I knew almost nobody who used and the few that did seemed to gravitate towards hallucinogens which they used at home. Those nations still controlled the public consumption of drugs and for those who fall into the trap of physical dependence, that's seen more as a medical issue than a criminal issue. If somone ends up as a low-level criminal, that costs society so it's cheaper to treat than for people to cycle in an out of jail, in and out of dependence.

Can you point to a nation that has used this methodology where it's made things worse? Because I can't.
 
koolman69420 said:
i know the worlds already kinda going to shit but it would be 10x worse if you could walk into walmart and buy methodrone
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I don't think it was that kind of legal. It would be special shops that weren't illegal but didn't advertise.

Not suggesting it should go the same way as cannabis
 
4DQSAR said:
Like going into a Walmart an buying a gun?

Legal control has singularly failed. Most people whose lives are 'destroyed by drugs' are actually destroyed by the legal status OF drugs which leads to manifold problems.

Methadone actually costs about $600/Kg so even at retail, it should cost pennies i.e. nobody would be choosing it over basics such as food, shelter and physical safety.

I'm totally for the fifth freedom by which any well informed adult has the right to purchace and imbibe (or not) whatever compounds they wish to. Clearly pharmaists are the only people who have the appropriate education to ensure a buyer IS well informed, that what is provided IS as described and that risks and interactions ARE clearly flagged.

I've lived in several European nations where simple posession of ANY drug isn't a crime and even that small change has made huge differences. It's good education that is the key. Such societies have learnt that giving children the truth rather than the politically expedient lie actually works. A full duscussion of the risks and benefits demystifies drugs and removes the whole lure of the forbidden. I've sat in with a couple of classes where 13-14 year old kids were having a discussion, asking questions and it ended with the conclusion that MAYBE some things may be worth trying but in general, drugs take more than they give.

When it's not 'cool' to take drugs, merely a matter of choice, most of them simply decided that any adult who feels the need to use drugs to appear 'cool' as in fact quite the opposite.

So I knew almost nobody who used and the few that did seemed to gravitate towards hallucinogens which they used at home. Those nations still controlled the public consumption of drugs and for those who fall into the trap of physical dependence, that's seen more as a medical issue than a criminal issue. If somone ends up as a low-level criminal, that costs society so it's cheaper to treat than for people to cycle in an out of jail, in and out of dependence.

Can you point to a nation that has used this methodology where it's made things worse? Because I can't.
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Exactamundo. The drugs don't destroy lives in most peoples' cases. The state does.
 
There are teirs.

Full blown legal and advertised (alcohol)

Legal but not advertised and in specialist shops.

Decriminalisated

Illegal

Schedule 1 or class A illegal
 
4DQSAR said:
Yes - for a while people were reporting on some unspecifed stimulant that sounded awfully similar to (R) ketamine. The first thing the designer of MXE did was to resolve K so 20+ years ago I was sat at a table where people kept on saying 'this is a lot like coke'
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as some are aware I have definitely seen someone mistake MXE for coke --- and come out alright which must speak to the safety of MXE.

What state and country are you in? I bet you got plenty of legal options (Not saying ones Id take but options)

---Legal but not advertised and in specialist shops.--- That is the good one usually lol

Decriminalized is a close second.

FUCK THE BLACKMARKET
 
notsmokeymcpot42088 said:
What state and country are you in? I bet you got plenty of legal options (Not saying ones Id take but options)
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UK at the moment.

If it isn't prescribed, I don't take it. Simple.

When you are young you have no experience but lots of luck. You use up your luck getting the experience and knowing when your luck has run out is a matter of survival. I've pushed my luck far too often. I have none left, so I choose not to partake of the 'mystery powder game' on the pragmatic basis that I'm too old to die young, too young to die old.
 
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