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Soma W/D Advice

patty.cakes

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Been using 2000-2500mg soma 3x a day. Ramped up a bit over 4 weeks. I have lyrica im prescribed and obtained and also clonodine, diazepam, hydroxizine, and on subs

I know, stupid to play with a drug after opiate abuse. What can I expect? There’s so little info on this, and I’ve read lyrica and Valium can help

I do not even know if I am physically dependents I just want to be prepared
 
that's a fucking lot of soma.

6-7.5g per day, jesus, assuming it's rec use and not prescribed, if it is talk to Dr. you have a big tolerance to it? or is it related to opioid use?

4 weeks isn't long but daily use at that amount you might need a taper on it, hmm not sure.

I was using 1g every 3-4 days for a year, sometimes 1.5g, sometimes every other day, and cold turkey gave me headaches and rebound anxiety for 2-3 days when I stopped.

otherwise have a search for papers on meprobamate withdrawal, there was a lot of research done on it. you'll have to consider the % rate soma is metabolized into meprobamate to convert your soma amount into meprobamate.
 
that's a fucking lot of soma.

6-7.5g per day, jesus, assuming it's rec use and not prescribed, if it is talk to Dr. you have a big tolerance to it? or is it related to opioid use?

4 weeks isn't long but daily use at that amount you might need a taper on it, hmm not sure.

I was using 1g every 3-4 days for a year, sometimes 1.5g, sometimes every other day, and cold turkey gave me headaches and rebound anxiety for 2-3 days when I stopped.

otherwise have a search for papers on meprobamate withdrawal, there was a lot of research done on it. you'll have to consider the % rate soma is metabolized into meprobamate to convert your soma amount into meprobamate.
It is a lot, right? But when I was on oxy I was doing up to 1200mg/day. No joke. Im tall and fit and the genes play a role

Im also on a lyrica script - but I’ve ordered the soma and pregab and its Indian source, so could be lower.
Honestly, euphoria has been mid to none. Not really sure why I’ve even kept it going. I just want to be careful so anything you can provide is helpful
 
It is a lot, right? But when I was on oxy I was doing up to 1200mg/day. No joke. Im tall and fit and the genes play a role

Im also on a lyrica script - but I’ve ordered the soma and pregab and its Indian source, so could be lower.
Honestly, euphoria has been mid to none. Not really sure why I’ve even kept it going. I just want to be careful so anything you can provide is helpful
Sorry I don't really have advice or answers for you, I don't know enough about it to give you anything which I'm confident is the right answer.

AI slop below for you (so take it with a pinch of salt and check it against real sources) - note this is against meprobamate, I picked this rather than Soma because I know it was deeply studied in the 50s/60s and the papers exist due to it's history and the problems people had with addiction at the time.

might be worth a flick through some of the links which include papers.

AI prompt:- "meprobamate withdrawal studies summary"

Key Findings from Clinical Studies
  • Symptom Profile: In landmark studies, up to 90% of patients who abruptly stopped taking the drug experienced withdrawal symptoms. Common early signs include insomnia, tremors, vomiting, overt anxiety, muscle twitching, and ataxia.
  • Severe Complications: Approximately 17% of patients in classic double-blind trials developed severe neuropsychiatric complications, including hallucinations, extreme delirium, and grand-mal seizures.
  • Mortality Risk: Unsupervised or abrupt withdrawal can result in profound autonomic instability and has been rarely linked to fatal outcomes.
  • The Carisoprodol (Soma) Connection: While meprobamate is rarely prescribed directly today (and has been withdrawn from the market in many countries), it is the primary active metabolite of the commonly prescribed muscle relaxant carisoprodol. Studies show that prolonged abuse of carisoprodol reliably leads to meprobamate accumulation and subsequent dependence. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7]

Clinical Management Strategies
  • Cross-Tapering: Because of the severity of the withdrawal, sudden cessation is strongly discouraged. Medical guidelines recommend substituting meprobamate with a long-acting benzodiazepine like diazepam, followed by a gradual linear dose reduction (over 10-14 days) while monitoring with scales such as the CIWA-B.
  • Barbiturate Substitution: Some older literature suggests that switching patients to short-acting barbiturates (such as phenobarbital) and slowly tapering may also safely manage withdrawal-induced convulsions.
  • Specialist Inpatient Care: Because of the high risk of seizures and delirium, particularly for long-term users, withdrawals should ideally take place in a controlled, inpatient specialist addictions setting. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]

AI prompt:- "looking back at the history of meprobamate usage, what dosage over what duration were being taking that required a taper"
Historical data and landmark clinical trials from the 1950s and 1960s demonstrate that a tapered withdrawal from meprobamate was required after taking dosages at or above 3.2 to 6.4 grams per day for a duration of as little as 40 days. [1, 2]
While severe, life-threatening withdrawal was most prominent in chronic, high-dose misusers, later historical analysis revealed that a taper could sometimes be necessary even at standard therapeutic doses. [1]

The Historical Thresholds for Tapering

1. High-Dose Short Duration (The 40-Day Threshold) [1]
In a landmark 1958 controlled clinical trial published in the New England Journal of Medicine, researchers evaluated the habituation limits of the drug: [1]
  • The Dosage: Patients were given 3.2 grams to 6.4 grams daily (far exceeding the standard therapeutic recommendation of 1.2 to 1.6 grams per day).
  • The Duration: 40 days.
  • The Outcome: When abruptly switched to a placebo, the vast majority developed an acute abstinence syndrome. Roughly 17% experienced grand mal seizures, and others suffered from acute psychosis, tremors, and hallucinations, establishing that just under six weeks of high-dose use creates severe physical dependence. [, 2, 3, 4]

2. Standard Therapeutic Dose Long Duration ("Normal-Dose" Dependency) [1]
As meprobamate (marketed widely as Miltown or Equanil) became heavily prescribed throughout the 1960s, clinicians realized dependency could form even when patients followed instructions: [1, 2, 3]
  • The Dosage: Standard therapeutic levels of 1.2 grams to 1.6 grams per day.
  • The Duration: Months to years of continuous daily use.
  • The Outcome: Abrupt cessation at these standard doses frequently caused severe rebound anxiety, major insomnia, anorexia, and in rare instances, focal seizures. Consequently, any patient on continuous therapy for more than a few weeks required a structured taper. [, 2, 3]

3. Extreme Chronic Misuse
In cases of severe substance use disorder, individuals historically escalated their intake due to tolerance: [1]
  • The Dosage: 8 to 12+ grams per day.
  • The Duration: Several months to decades.
  • The Outcome: Sudden withdrawal at these astronomical doses caused a profound, life-threatening delirium tremens-like state characterized by hyperpyrexia (extreme fever), relentless seizures, and cardiovascular collapse. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]

Why the Taper Boundary Was So Sharp
Meprobamate has a relatively short half-life (averaging 10 to 11 hours). Unlike long-acting drugs that leave the body naturally and gradually, meprobamate levels drop precipitously after the last dose. Because it powerfully suppresses the central nervous system via GABA receptors, this rapid drop-off causes an immediate, violent rebound of hyperexcitability if a linear taper or long-acting cross-taper (like diazepam) is not introduced. [1, 2]
If you are investigating this for a specific context, I can provide more details. For instance, would you like to see a historical timeline of how prescribing guidelines changed, or do you need the exact conversion math used to switch historical meprobamate doses over to modern long-acting equivalents?


From this my conclusion is that you should look at a taper, think you're in the range given how much of Soma is metabolized.

I had a flick through a couple of papers and there's reference to also using other drugs to help with withdrawal symptoms as well - benzos and pregab could help with that as you've already noted above, just make sure you're using them carefully as there's a danger you're just going to swap 1 dependency for another....

good luck!

please report back on your plan, thoughts, and progress. People can help if you're coming up with specific issues or need more help.
 
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