Poly drug use and cycling to minimize dependency & tolerance risk - In other words this idiot's addicted to being high

[placebonaut]

bit of an update

TLDR: drinking again, getting rebound anxiety from soma, GBL and Mephedrone usage reduced greatly, tolerance for pregab hasn't reset fully, stopped taking cocaine/phenibut/xanax for 1 month, played about more with Ketamine at low dose (gonna save it for occasional use), tried 2-CB (nice), and a bit of Amphetamine.

GBL/Mephedrone - Since start of March I've used GBL 3 times only, biggest break of a month, not really bothered by it or missing it tbh, I greatly prefer taking it in combo with Mephedrone, I've greatly reduced my Mephedrone usage and I just can't be fucked with the day after effects of it anymore to both using it on it's own, so my plan is to only use the 2 together as an occational thing.

Alcohol - drinking again ffs, got to just stop argh

Pregab - doing 300-450mg once a week coupled with 10-20mg Diazapam (decent quality stuff not crap generic). This is my bender drug, I tend to combine lots of stuff with it, I love getting really fucked up on it. Just need to do it once a fortnight at most I think

Soma - I'm still taking 1g ever 3-4 days but have started to try a few different things, 1st is I'm taking 500mg and then later redosing with another 500mg about 2-3 hours later giving a longer duration of effect. Plan is to extend the time between taking it and to reduce the amount down to just 500mg. I think it's giving me rebound anxiety but tbh with all the other shit I'm taking it could be any number of things! anyway, my aim is to reduce Soma use to once per week.

MDMA - had 240mg and didn't fully roll, I usually take 250-260mg (I'm fat). Can't say I had massive fun and might be approaching a point where I take my last dose of MDMA ever

Cocaine - Was never really that into it but enjoyed a bit esp. with alcohol, not had any for month and not missed it, 3.5g typically will last me well over a month and a half to 2 months. Don't think I'm going to bother ordering any more

2-CB - well this is interesting shit, bought a few pills and had an experiment, really enjoyed it. Have just got my hands on some HCL, going to have a play with it some more, seems to have great potential and I've been wanted to get back into psycedellics for a while

Xanax - this always bored me and just put me to sleep, not had any in over a month, planning on never having it ever again

Diazepam - I can see its utility post stim, but I'm going to stop taking stims I think so only really plan on using this in combo with Pregab or Soma

Cannibis - hmm, this fucking thing is driving me nuts, I don't like smoking it which causes real issues with sourcing the kind of high I would like, I prefer edibles but fucking fed up of getting a semi-decent strain as an edible to end up with loads of hot spots and inconsistent high (roll the dice on how fucked up you're going to get). Best results have been from different the types of distallate or resin vapes, the pods are generally pretty shit for me, don't hit hard enough for the amount of smoking required.

Ketamine - Have played about with taking low dose race, it's nice and fun, but don't get enough out of it so given bladder damage risk I won't be continuing doing it this way. I far prefer to hole on it, so I'm going to switch to only taking S-ISO maybe once a month (I need to do a bit more research on this but given it's easier to hole on S-ISO you therefore need less = reduced risk of bladder damage, a quick search also suggests that S-ISO might itself have lower risk of bladder damage but I'm not sure I believe this AI conclusion until I've researched it better, I'm playing around with BioGPT right now and don't fully trust it!).

AI slop:- Some research has focused specifically on S-ketamine, which has been shown to have a lower risk of BD compared to R-ketamine (2). S-ketamine has been suggested to be less likely to cause bladder damage due to its lower affinity for the N-methyl-D-aspartate (NMDA) receptor, which is thought to play a role in the development of BD

Amphetamine - got a bit, quite liked it at low dose 20-30mg range, but I'm just not a stim guy so will only use it once a month maybe

Nootropics - Still taking my stack but tbh I'm not really seeing any benefit other than the stuff that potentiates GABA drugs, once I'm out I don't plan restocking again.

PLAN - reduce the number of substances I use and the frequency I take things, cut down soma use, stop drinking, explore cannabis more, play with psycedellics a bit more, reduce pregab even more (maybe take another break), stop stims, occasional ketamine/mephedrone/GBL usage

 

[HeadphonesandLSD]

You've got a big stash. As a wise man once said: "once you get into locked a serious drug collection, the tendency is to push it as far as you can".

That's the issue with keeping a nice stash around. It's so tempting to go in the bags. You'll talk yourself into it. It's why I don't keep stuff in the house anymore. If something is within reach I'll end up using it. MXE was the worse in that respect for me. I could talk myself into going to that bag everyday even though the day before I swore I wouldn't touch it for a week.

Have fun but be careful.

 

[placebonaut]

You've got a big stash. As a wise man once said: "once you get into locked a serious drug collection, the tendency is to push it as far as you can".

That's the issue with keeping a nice stash around. It's so tempting to go in the bags. You'll talk yourself into it. It's why I don't keep stuff in the house anymore. If something is within reach I'll end up using it. MXE was the worse in that respect for me. I could talk myself into going to that bag everyday even though the day before I swore I wouldn't touch it for a week.

Have fun but be careful.

yes you're spot on.

it's a midlife crisis pure and simple.

I'm having a lot of fun.....I'm trying to be careful..... which I'm doing.......mostly.....

 

[BadBoy377]

That's quite a lot of drugs, man.

No judgement at all but just some unsolicited advice. You can only really effectively deal with one thing at a time. So stop drinking alcohol. I think you'll find things a lot easier to manage if you do.

 

[HeadphonesandLSD]

it's a midlife crisis pure and simple.

I know exactly how you feel. The only difference between us is I'm not sitting on a stash like you have right now. I'm down to my last dose of MDMA and after that I don't think I'll be able to do it again. Simply because I don't go out anymore, my connect is gone and I really don't want to deal with everything required to get RCs these days (I miss clearnet vendors).

Midlife crisis is fucking awful. Personally, I'm buying a fast bike and riding that fucker until I either die or feel better. I'm addicted to speed the real kind. Not that stuff in the tiny pill that makes me stay up for 2 days.

If you were local to me I'd try to hang out. I'd love to take some MDMA with someone then go into a K-hole. I really miss MXE and I haven't been in a hole in over a decade now. I can't believe how fast time flew by so fast.

Just be really careful man. Don't get too brave. Try to ignore the temptation to mixy wixy two or more chemical at the same time.

 

[placebonaut]

That's quite a lot of drugs, man.

It is, I'm trying things and experimenting

No judgement at all but just some unsolicited advice.

Always welcomed with thanks

You can only really effectively deal with one thing at a time. So stop drinking alcohol. I think you'll find things a lot easier to manage if you do.

Yes, sound advice, I stopped before and wish I'd not have restarted, shouldn't have had another drink!

I know exactly how you feel. The only difference between us is I'm not sitting on a stash like you have right now. I'm down to my last dose of MDMA and after that I don't think I'll be able to do it again. Simply because I don't go out anymore, my connect is gone and I really don't want to deal with everything required to get RCs these days (I miss clearnet vendors).

accessibility certainly is a fair point, and I'm maybe guilty of ordering more of what I need to get things cheaper and avoid having to keep going through the hassle

Midlife crisis is fucking awful. Personally, I'm buying a fast bike and riding that fucker until I either die or feel better. I'm addicted to speed the real kind. Not that stuff in the tiny pill that makes me stay up for 2 days.

love speed as well, had a few scary fast cars in my time, never ridden though, not nearly brave enough for that!

If you were local to me I'd try to hang out. I'd love to take some MDMA with someone then go into a K-hole. I really miss MXE and I haven't been in a hole in over a decade now. I can't believe how fast time flew by so fast.

Just be really careful man.

I hear you, I'm keeping doses low generally I think (for my size), keeping logs and being honest with myself about things

Don't get too brave.

I'm too old to get brave tbh, I titrate everything up, not taking risks

Try to ignore the temptation to mixy wixy two or more chemical at the same time.

this is where I need to calm down a bit I think if I'm honest, especially with CNS stacking...I just very much like certain combos, thankfully I've been generally quite restrained about keeping doses low when I do mix and not redosing

but yes, mixing stuff is a tough 1 for me, my fav highs are all combos

 

[agoraphobe]

I do a similar thing. Not sure if it's a trick we're playing on ourselves that it's better than daily using one drug. I really don't know.

My cycle is 1mg Ativan twice a week, about 4g gabapentin spread over the week, phenibut on Friday and kratom Tuesday, Thursday and Saturday.

 

[BadBoy377]

I do a similar thing. Not sure if it's a trick we're playing on ourselves that it's better than daily using one drug. I really don't know.

My cycle is 1mg Ativan twice a week, about 4g gabapentin spread over the week, phenibut on Friday and kratom Tuesday, Thursday and Saturday.

It's really not.

After years of doing the same thing I think you're just better being stable on one thing and not constanly pulling your neurochemistry in all directions. Just my opinion though.

 

[BadBoy377]

I do a similar thing. Not sure if it's a trick we're playing on ourselves that it's better than daily using one drug. I really don't know.

My cycle is 1mg Ativan twice a week, about 4g gabapentin spread over the week, phenibut on Friday and kratom Tuesday, Thursday and Saturday.

You got into the phenibut then? You mixing it with opiates yet?

 

[cnnka]

When I had my motorcycle and used to go for rides pushing it pretty hard, honestly the feeling when I let off the throttle was better than any drug. It kept me away from substances, even weed, because even a few hits noticeably reduced my reflexes.

Motorcycles, speed, and going for rides are a very healthy kind of pleasure. The rides themselves feel therapeutic.

However, I do not know what is more dangerous, riding fast on a motorcycle or drugs?

 

[agoraphobe]

You got into the phenibut then? You mixing it with opiates yet?

I don't mix the phenibut with Kratom yet. I try to be extremely cautious with the phenibut due to its ability to make me manic and mildly short tempered. I mix about 600 mg gabapentin with Kratom though. Similar I suppose. Definitely potentiates.

 

[BadBoy377]

I don't mix the phenibut with Kratom yet. I try to be extremely cautious with the phenibut due to its ability to make me manic and mildly short tempered. I mix about 600 mg gabapentin with Kratom though. Similar I suppose. Definitely potentiates.

Probably safer to be cautious. Yes definitely causes hypomania at the very least.

 

[Mushoku_Sensei]

I do a similar thing. Not sure if it's a trick we're playing on ourselves that it's better than daily using one drug. I really don't know.

My cycle is 1mg Ativan twice a week, about 4g gabapentin spread over the week, phenibut on Friday and kratom Tuesday, Thursday and Saturday.

Ime and what I heard from others rotating drugs is a very good way to poly addiction. It will slow down getting hooked on one substance, but after a while you still get hooked and then maybe on more than just one. What's more important even imo is that you get mentally addicted to getting high. How many days in a row can you stay clean?

 

[placebonaut]

It's really not.

After years of doing the same thing I think you're just better being stable on one thing and not constanly pulling your neurochemistry in all directions. Just my opinion though.

yes this very much is the case and what's behind me reducing the GABA drugs I'm taking to try and get a bit of stability.

however it does make me worry about then becoming addicted to something

Ime and what I heard from others rotating drugs is a very good way to poly addiction. It will slow down getting hooked on one substance, but after a while you still get hooked and then maybe on more than just one.

that's very much the risk

What's more important even imo is that you get mentally addicted to getting high. How many days in a row can you stay clean?

that's pretty much been my issue for years just with alcohol.

I guess I'm still trying to find a replacement really, and I'm trying to shift my usage on to things less harmful

days clean is the problem right now, things are up and down in life but having a bad time at the moment

 

[BadBoy377]

Yeah, good man. It might be hard during transition mjsrh but ultimately you'll feel a lot better with a (naturally) stable NgA Me mm

 

[agoraphobe]

How many days in a row can you stay clean?

Zero. Max is like 12-14 hours if I use agmatine and NAC. Technically I'm prescribed 900mg of gabapentin a day and the tolerance means no high. So idk. Gabapentin is the only one I use daily. But I'm not even buzzed on it anymore

 

[Mushoku_Sensei]

Zero. Max is like 12-14 hours if I use agmatine and NAC. Technically I'm prescribed 900mg of gabapentin a day and the tolerance means no high. So idk. Gabapentin is the only one I use daily. But I'm not even buzzed on it anymore

I see. Then aside the Gabapentin, can you go without the others?

 

[placebonaut]

Nootropics stack (+ vitamin D3)

EDIT: Cannabis should be daily...at least most days

Just bringing this post back up to recap on my master plan, and to help explain my earlier post where I'm considering other drugs

Wins - Have pretty much quit GBL already (just occasional use with Mephedrone in the future), Phenibut has gone, going to stop Soma now as well (had a bit of withdrawal from it but pretty mild).

My 3rd day sober - don't plan on drinking tonight, want to quit for good this time.

Will save Pregablin (DOC) and Diazepam for my treat - goal is to move this from weekly to fortnightly, then to monthly.

Have about a months supply of nootropics, hoping they will help with GABA repair once I stop taking GABA drugs.

2CB is my current playground, much less harmful than other stuff, will give shrooms a try at some point as well. Cannabis - doubtful I will give this up but my usage has reduced quite a bit.

 

[agoraphobe]

Actually did an agmatine detox no drugs for probably 16 hours, including my gabapentin, last afternoon to morning. Feel okay right now but the detox is over lol

 

[agoraphobe]

I wanted to throw nac in but then I'd be unable to get nicotine/coffee buzz for a full 24 hours which is annoying