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Experiences I think about god, faith, religion etc a lot

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As anyone who reads P&S forum will likely agree from my posts “ I think about god, faith, religion etc a lot. Not to come to a conclusion, or to recruit, judge, sway, or influence but to celebrate humanities diverseness in reasoning and understanding.

In my opinion there is no right or wrong belief system, however, there is a difference in the way believers and nonbelievers brains are hardwired. According to psychology today, religious believers are more likely to use intuitive and heuristic reasoning while nonbelievers are likely to use deliberative and analytical reasoning.

Nonbelievers are likely to process sensory information from they see in a deliberate manner, this is called top-down processing that involves reasoning. In contrast, religious believers are likely to interpret visual information more emotionally than intuitively, this is called Bottom-up processing, which involves ancient brain systems. Religious believers share bottom-up bias with people who believe in supernatural or paranormal activity, including telekinesis, or clairvoyance. Recent evidence suggests that religious fundamentalists have a network of brain regions located in the right hemisphere that may be damaged by injury or simply inherited.

Paranormal believers thinking is frequently biased by intuitive beliefs. An analysis of brain states showed that paranormal belief is related to the reduced power of alpha, beta and gamma frequency bands, indicative of a reduced level of inhibitory control and critical analysis of incoming sensory information. paradoxically, the number people who express interests in religion is decreasing, however, belief in the paranormal is becoming increasingly popular.

Is the human brain evolving away from one form of fantasy beliefs while embracing another? Anthropologists estimate that at least 18,000 different gods, goddesses, and various animals or objects have been worshipped by humans since our species first appeared. Evolution has clearly selected for a brain that has the ability to accept a logically absurd world of supernatural causes and beings.



A final word: If as humans we respected our differences and unique qualities as a source for growth and learning as a society rather than judging and excluding people unlike ourselves, we as a society may become more than what we are.
 
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If taken literally, your post implies that anyone that disagrees with you is neurologically compromised.

Imo the real issue is not whether humans are rational or irrational. It’s whether we can recognize the strengths and blind spots built into every cognitive style… religious or secular ….without reducing opponents to defective brains.
 
If taken literally, your post implies that anyone that disagrees with you is neurologically compromised.

Imo the real issue is not whether humans are rational or irrational. It’s whether we can recognize the strengths and blind spots built into every cognitive style… religious or secular ….without reducing opponents to defective brains.
Wow! do I sound like that? Not at all, I believe everyone has the right and privilege to think and believe as they choose. I do not advocate for anything, religion or thought other than person's choice to believe. It is not my place or concern to think, persuade or convince any one to read or think anything about what I post or have post in the past.
Everyone can choose or not choose either way that is their choice.

Honestly, I don't know anything, it's not something I prefer, but I am here like everyone else. I don't have answers but neither does anyone else.
If I for a moment implied intelligence or wisdom other than being human, like everyone else, I deeply apologize
 
the number people who express interests in religion is decreasing, however, belief in the paranormal is becoming increasingly popular.

i have a theory that the internet connecting people is a good way for people to realize that humans are connected... like i have a pretty big play list and listen to a lot of varieties of music. sometimes, i'll go a long time with out listening to something and the music won't really be on my mind. it can be something that isn't really discussed very often on the internet. it happens a lot that i will listen to something really obscure that is rarely talked about. after listening to the music and thinking about it a lot, the next day or while i' listening to it, i'll check the internet and some one will be posting about what i'm thinking of.

i've also experienced feeling that i knew news stories were going to happen. i've had the theory that information can be sent backwards and forwards through time. recently i stumbled upon an article where scientists are hypothesizing this can actually happen https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/tech...S&cvid=6a08b7eb807545539c7846df5f3e6d3e&ei=18



i think maybe that people up until the 1900's were stuck on farms and only had religious text. they were taught to pray and this harbored energy. some people probably found god or whatever energy, they thought it was god because that's what they were think of to create their magic. maybe the prayer just brought them peace. there is a song on K love christian radio that i believe might be true, they say "there is power in his name". i think it might be possible that people prayed with different words and this created energy which showed people something was going on that is something of a higher power or that there is at least spiritual energy. people found the same thing with different prayers.... ... .. .. that there has been a lot of fighting amongst different religions.... i think a lot of this is because of land disputes, but also people don't like that people are using different words to create spiritual energy. i'm really not sure this is the truth, but i think people just have a sour taste in their mouth because of religion not really being practiced correctly and that is why there is a lot less interest.. like whatever the religion they were worshipping that slaughtered the indians weren't really practicing what they were told. idk, just a lot of problems with religion... using different prayer words to harbor energy doesn't necessarily need to cause disputes, but it has.

also i think priests molesting children has turned a lot of people off from religion.



anyways, there is so much going on with people being able to connect through the internet that i believe more people will realize that the unconscious is connected, or that would be cool if that happened anyways.... that unless i'm crazy, the more i start to see signs, the more i find the presence that things are connected. that you say " intuitive beliefs". the more i have these beliefs, the more i feel possessed and find the intuition to do just simple things like flick through the radio and find spiritual information as poetry. i'm really not sure if my mind isn't working properly. i've experienced some pretty bizarre coincidences that seem to have meaning at different times. what i seem to be finding doesn't always make sense. it seems that the synchronicity that is spiritual energy can contradict itself. there is no set way, but things are connecting. everything is feeding off of everything else surrounding it.. i always pretend that's what "the electric slide" 90's song is about. everything is connected maybe through electricity and feeding off of everything. i think with people not just being stuck on farms and getting to go out and meet tons of different people that the paranormal is becoming more apparent, or maybe people just think too much and are kind of schizophrenic.... heh... i cry all the time because i believe something is going on and i'm praying that the world will become a decent place to live and we can take advantage of all the cool stuff and great food evolution created with out having to worry about inequality and how drugs are illegal and women get genital mutilation and can't experience their natural brain chemistry in other countries.... ... idk, if there is no hope, i'm hoping that maybe if some countries are just so sick and in so much pain and we can't stop them from doing what they are doing, that we just nuke the planet and destroy all life. not really the point of this thread, but maybe that will be the point of evolution. idk. i can't really see just taking what you can get and not caring about other people is the way. i think a lot of people feel like god is giving them gifts and they are chosen. that might not be true. really that it might be judgement day and god or the aliens or some shit just want to see that some people really don't give a shit... idk, just some thoughts that get me by. i know there are good people that care though, so it makes me feel bad to think the world is gonna end. life has a lot of cool shit that can happen... ... i talk about people being judged. i'm not even sure that these people that might get a negative judgement because of lack of empathy are wrong. i don't think cause you're not emotionally fucked up that genital mutilation or whatever else is going on in another country makes you bad, maybe some people just don't have the brain chemistry for it.. i'm really not sure. i'd like to think all people were decent. idk,...

anyways, TL,DR...
the internet and people being able to connect to a wider net work of people than just being stuck on a farm or whatever like went on centuries before is starting to get people to notice synchronicity and the paranormal.
 
Thank you so much for sharing...I also believe everything is connected. Sometimes it is difficult to look beyond a person's behavior and love that person just because. Same goes with this world and everything within it. I do not believe as humans we were meant to suffer based on the belief that humans are flawed by sin. Nor do I believe Jesus is the option people have to become with whatever we are all a part of.

As far god, I'm in a place that honors and respects the person who chooses to believe (whatever that may be) over the actual choice that person decides to believe. I try to be person-centered celebrating all things human as opposed to giving credit and praising god for everything. I'm not by any means saying I'm right...I'm here like everyone else trying to figure things out.

life in general is amazingly beautiful, complicated and simple all at once. It is too big for me form a concrete solution to all life has to offer.
 
A final word: If as humans we respected our differences and unique qualities as a source for growth and learning as a society rather than judging and excluding people unlike ourselves, we as a society may become more than what we are.
and which group of people do you think is going to have the easiest time doing this? the top-down or bottom-up thinkers?

i feel like for this to be accomplished you have to use the analytical reasoning to understand why people believe different and then accept that’s why they are the way they are….problem is only one group is capabe of doing that by virtue of how they think.
 
and which group of people do you think is going to have the easiest time doing this? the top-down or bottom-up thinkers?

i feel like for this to be accomplished you have to use the analytical reasoning to understand why people believe different and then accept that’s why they are the way they are….problem is only one group is capabe of doing that by virtue of how they think.
Believers consider themselves better off than nonbelievers because they have god. If a person goes through life believing in god and does not question the validity of their beliefs. I doubt they would know the difference.
 
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Believers consider themselves better off than nonbelievers because they have god. If a person goes through life believing in god and does not question the validity of their beliefs. I doubt they would know the difference.
agreed to everything. that’s why they will look at nonbelievers as wrong or even bad people /enemies.
 
I just saw the original Cosmos by Carl Sagan. The story of the Library of Alexandria. 280 BC. And in there were all kinds of names of scientists and philosophers. All kinds of info, the earth revolved around the sun. Then it got ruined and we had to wait a few thousand years to get that info back. What ruined it is pretty fascinating. Fucking humans, Wow, can be so smart and so dumb.

I have a faith in something wiser and larger. Even call it Nature. People sort of ruined the word God. But there is an order that spins the mind. A ball of rock with gravity that hurls through space. Light Years. Stars and planets. I mean Nature does make me feel I am in it's hands. Deep down safe. The total opposite of psychotic and paranoid. I get it though. I have been suspicious at times in life. Then get the trust and faith back.

Also watching my actions seems important. I don't want to leave any muddy tracks I have to clean up. Not sure why I believe that but I do.

As I always say, it is 50/50. It could just be instinctual that makes me realize cooperation is the only way humans can build. Then we die. Or it could be the kind little acts people perform are really recorded in the spirit for review and we transform. 50/50. but I am telling you, I would not be betting on just dying. You watch your shit! lol Our energy is consistent and grows for a reason. Be wise.

I don't care if your atheist, a religious nut, or a calm normal person, Looking up at the stars is enough to smile at the mystery and be ok with it.
 
I don't care if your atheist, a religious nut, or a calm normal person, Looking up at the stars is enough to smile at the mystery and be ok with it.
religious ppl don’t look up at the stars and feel mystery. they believe they know exactly how and why it’s there.

the very act of starting to question how or why anything exists - if they follow that line of thinking hard enough they will abandon their religion.

on a different note i find it very frustrating that the way our minds work we have to wonder “why” or “how” there is matter or energy at all. it always keeps tying back to “where did it come from” implying it had a beginning - i hate that trap and i cant myself get past it. ok
so i tell myself it is always there and time isn’t real its just the result of how dense matter is and gravity in our current area of existence. matter/energy is some eternal thing. very unsatisfying answer and it’s why most ppl don’t accept it and just say god was always there (which suffers from the same limit in being able to understand it).

all that aside i think it’s naive to think life is anything special. it’s just a chemical reaction. like the formation of suns or minerals. it’s meaningless noise of matter interfering with itself.
 
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The reason I kept digging was I felt there must be some scientific reason why believers, nonbelievers don't. For a while I thought humanist secularism might be the answer, however, for me it is not. This morning thinking "why must I believe in anything"? If it's a matter of faith, I don't see how faith has anything to do with anything at all. One might say I have faith the sun will rise in the morning..that's not faith.

If you want to talk about faith in mankind...well as a member of the species having faith people is about as fruitful as believing in a higher power. You mentioned nature? That's not really faith.. sure nature does as nature is and it continue doing so. I can't explain but that's ok I don't have to have an answer to understand nature....maybe if I want to know how and why nature is nature there may be an answer but for me, it's not because of a creator. At least in the sense that credit was given in the Bible.
 
It is thought provoking how much effort humans put into creating god. Providing texts, written instructions and holy scriptures. if the whole thing is an elaborate scam, I wonder who or what is responsible. Thinking this way is no different than magical thinking, yes true, but look at the history. Maybe we are not alone.





 
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So it's like you're going to be you here. Not like glorified you in a perfected kingdom. Uh, no, that the whole point
of love on earth, like for example, falling in love with a person, being someone's mother, being someone's father.

Being the whole point of those few loving relationships you have in life is to prepare you for the way you will love everyone in heaven.
That is because God could not possibly show you that without just giving you, like a little taste of it here.

And that there is no marriage in heaven and this is of course because you have eternal life and therefore there's
no reason to have children there's no reason to have marriage. So the idea is that in heaven mystically we
will all love each other the way we love the people we're closest to here.

From the the witty perspective of that there will be nothing more than here, you know, on a cloud and it's going to be just like this.
No, I think the point is that you're in a state of glorification and change. But it's an interesting one. If you choose to have this faith.

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The 150-person count closely aligns with "Dunbar's number," which represents the cognitive limit to the number of people with whom one can maintain stable social relationships.

Dunbar’s number is a suggested cognitive limit of about 150 people. Proposed by British anthropologist Robin Dunbar, it represents the maximum number of individuals with whom a person can maintain stable social relationships—those where you know who they are and how they relate to everyone else. [1, 2]
The concept is rooted in the correlation between primate brain size and social group sizes. Because our brains (specifically the neocortex) have limited processing capacity and we only have so much time in a day, our social networks exist in structured, concentric "layers".


The theory of Dunbar’s number holds that we can only really maintain about 150 connections at once. But is the rule true in today’s world of social media?

It turns out that’s not just an excuse. There are well-defined limits to the number of friends and acquaintances the average person can retain. But the question about whether these limits are the same in today’s digital world – one in which it’s common to have social media profiles, or online forums, with thousands of followers – is more complicated.

According to British anthropologist Robin Dunbar, the “magic number” is 150. Dunbar became convinced that there was a ratio between brain sizes and group sizes through his studies of non-human primates. This ratio was mapped out using neuroimaging and observation of time spent on grooming, an important social behaviour of primates. Dunbar concluded that the size, relative to the body, of the neocortex – the part of the brain associated with cognition and language – is linked to the size of a cohesive social group. This ratio limits how much complexity a social system can handle.



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That who we call ourselves cannot handle the limited amount of numbers that make up a tribe. After a certain amount of accumulation
people then will start to destroy each other and ... self destruct.

From an observational point of view. And just some of my food for thought today. That is All.
 
religious ppl don’t look up at the stars and feel mystery. they believe they know exactly how and why it’s there.
LOL Lucid! Just realized that was you, very happy you are back. We need your point of view for balancing anything off balance. Very true though, they don't look up into the sky with their heads up their ass.

all that aside i think it’s naive to think life is anything special. it’s just a chemical reaction. like the formation of suns or minerals. it’s meaningless noise of matter interfering with itself.
That was what was missing here. I remember Rust Cole on True Detective. That guy was the most atheist atheist I had ever heard talk. Yet a happening with his daughter at the end was pretty special to him. I just never heard such materialistic talk before. Matthew Mcconaughey hit that one out of the park at the end. Something moved him beyond atheism, at least for one experience.


all that aside i think it’s naive to think life is anything special. it’s just a chemical reaction.
In Paulie Walnuts voice "I said my peace".

If a person thinks death is the end could they go through life thumbing their nose at the possibility of maybe there is more? What stops people from killing someone to gain something? I personally think it is more than legal consequences.
 
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