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I’m a trans woman - AMA

Anyhow, I thought it interesting that arrall claims to be a woman, and at the same time feels comfortable with the fact that they have male genitals and do not wish to remove them.

I find that aspect confusing, too, but I think that's the difference between transgender and transexual? Like, gender is a social construct, right? (Boys like blue, girls like pink; boys play with toy trucks, girls play with dolls) so one can feel that they "fit" significantly more with masculine (if born biologically female) or feminine (if born biologically male) and therefor that is just who they are; the way to look, act, dress, be socialized, etc. Whereas sex is actual biological and some people feel very strongly that they were born in the wrong body (often to the point of being suicidal from the dysphoria of being forced to present as something they feel they are not. I have heard trans people describe being forced to look (clothing, hair, etc) as their biological sex feels like wearing a costume). So for these people, yes, they feel they absolutely need "bottom surgery" to change their genitals.
 
much like people use “protecting children” as a trojan horse for homophobia (and now transphobia).

Tbf it's quite reasonable for a parent to protect their child from gender ideologies. That doesn't mean the parent is performing some sort of attack on people who subscribe to the ideology.

Finally some doctors are starting to realise the serious lapses in judgement and ethical distortions that are going on:
Khatchadourian was one of the first doctors in Canada to provide hormone treatments to transgender-identifying and gender dysphoric youth, in 2014. By her estimate, some 250 to 300 gender-distressed children and teens have been under her care over the years. After 12 years of experience, she said she now understands the population more. “I can say that, with everything I now know, as of now, I would challenge medicalizing the majority of youth that are presenting to clinics,”
 
this is sadly true globally
I haven't noticed any in the forum but i rarely visit imma ghost if you will. bullys just need a little pushback they fold every freakin time.
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Unfortunately, they seem to have been receiving a huge amount of negative forcus for years now. To the point where I feel like things have taken a large step backwards over the past decade or so.
Particularly, Trump, the MAGAts and others on the right seem to love to try and use scare tactics about trans people to distract from [let's just use Epstein or the Iran war as examples since we'd be here all day if I listed every dispicable thing Trump has done and tried to distract people from).
 
You're right - it doesn't matter and that was a lazy and admittedly somewhat disingenuous line of reasoning to bring up on my part.

Trans women in women's sports actually is a fairly unique and special circumstance and I regret bringing it up. When I say I don't think it's particularly important, I don't mean that I don't think it matters whatsoever - I thought I made that clear but perhaps I've meandered around the point. I mean it's not particularly important because there are just such a tiny quantity of trans athletes in the world. Granted - we can say that this tiny proportion of trans athletes are having an outsized impact on the far larger proportion of biological women by a minority who could be said to be cheating. We could also say that the affected group when we expand it to everyone who cares about sport, and fairness in sport, is negatively affected by the affected sports, competitions, fanbases and the like suffering from the sport that is their passion being somewhat discredited by the obvious lack of fairness.

But all that said... the trans people who choose to compete in competitions knowing (or in denial about the fact) that they have an unfair biological advantage compared to their competitors do not represent all trans people. They are a tiny, tiny minority. And the backlash against the actions of this tiny tiny minority taking advantage of the apparently completely incompetent and ineffectual regulatory bodies which could quite easily put a stop to this ends up affecting all trans people who have nothing to do with the individuals involved in these sports, or the decisions that allowed those few individuals to compete in the first place, by adding fuel to the already worryingly fierce blaze of anti-trans sentiment in much of the supposedly civilized, otherwise quite tolerant, lower-case-liberal societies. Because of this actually I just don't even believe that it's incompetence or "wokeness" that's preventing any clear lines from being drawn about what type of woman can compete as a woman, I think it's a deliberate tactic to make trans people just another oppressed, disadvantaged scapegoat for other problems in society...

...Which is why I'm now very wary of expressing particularly strong opinions one way of the other about whether trans women should be able to compete alongside biological women in professional sports. But fuck it I'll say it, most of the time they shouldn't. I still think it should be a case by case basis, ie, if male puberty was avoided, whatever other biomarkers can be objectively assessed and it can be demonstrated there's no remaining "masculine advantage", then I don't see any problem since there's no longer an unfair advantage. But most of the time, currently, in today's world, women's sports should be restricted to people who have been born women.

The changing room thing though... ugh, that I just cannot currently get past. I think it's a problem that only really exists because of the deeply repressed, puritanical, religiously-reinforced culture of shame around sex and gender and atypical sexualities and forms of gender expression. Dangerous, violent men can already enter women's changing rooms and threaten women. If a female-presenting "biological man" transwoman enters a woman's changing room just to get changed discreetly, I'm just not seeing an inherent danger here without getting back to the tired old trope that dangerous men might pretend to be trans women in order to access women's spaces and do bad things. I'm pretty sure the actual statistics on this do not support that hypothesis but someone correct me if I'm wrong.

But DO they have a biological advantage?
The main advantages would be 1) Testosterone, but ALL women in sport are tested for testosterone levels and not allowed to compete if the number is too high. It's been a point of contention for a long time since black women tend to have naturally higher testosterone levels of women of others races and there have been instances of them being banned from competeing despite doing nothing wrong like doping or anything. But a trans woman would almost always be on hormones and therefor have testosterone levels closer to (or the same as) that of a biological woman. And even if they didn't, they be prevented from competing anyway if they have higher testosterone.
And 2) Muscle mass...but again, hormones like Esteogen would decrease both muscle mass and bone density.

Personally, I'm undecided on the whole debate of whether they should be able to complete (I also really don't give a fuck about sports in the first place), but for the above reasons, some of what people say about "advantages" is untrue. I don't know if there are any other biological differences that would provide an advantage?

Also, what about trans-men playing in mens sports? Would people argue that they have a biological disadvantage?
 
The only forced beliefs I see are the Republicans who want to inspect childrens’ genitalia to “check if they are transgender”.
Just treat other people with basic respect and decency and nobody cares about your personal chosen beliefs.


I’ve had no cosmetic surgery. Estrogen makes you grow breasts so most people don’t need surgery there.

The "forced beliefs" thing when it comes to children and the subject of LGBT+ people does my head in. Gay and trans people are not trying to convert or enforce children to believe anything or do anything: that's Religion that does that.
 
Here in England people are a bit more pragmatic about things. There is a tendency to respect the basic human rights of women to have true women's spaces and equally for men.

In some countries certain groups are campaigning to force their personal gender-related beliefs on others by demanding that society abide by them. That includes imposing them on young impressionable children (eg at school) which could arguably be seen as indoctrination.


Some parents might consider this undesirable and wish to protect their children from being exposed to this ideology.

Your logic is flawed because you keep thinking of trans-women as men. Also, do you HONESTLY think if a man was determined to enter a womens space to do...whatever it is you think he'd wanna do...he'd go through ALLLLLL that effort of hormones and maybe surgery and changing every aspect of their life for it? When if they're gonna go in there and assault a woman, they'll just go in and do it as themselves (men).

There IS no "ideology". Some people are born that feel they do not match the gender they were assigned at birth and so transition to become who they feel they really are. Even if you personally don't believe trans people are the gender they identify as, they fact remains that they exist and live that way. That's it. No "Ideology". Just people existing as themselves.

And all these ridiculous things people are saying about ideology and similar (especially under that old chestnut of pretending it "to protect the kids") is exactly how people used to act about the simple acknowledgment that gay people exist. Some people are gay. Some people are trans. It's REALLY not a big deal.
 
Can someone catch me up on the conversation because with the last message I'm absolutely lost. :ROFLMAO:

Wait, but...

I don't think that's true in any way that I could relate to the statement it refers to. TERF just means something, and the keyword in it is "Reactionary", IMHO. I thought the context it was used in was accurate, as described - the "Exclusionary Feminism" a reaction to an innate transphobia. Is it a slur? For it to be a slur kinda implies it's an unfair, wrongly discriminative word, no? Is there a form of "Reactionary" Feminism - ie, a feminism that exists for a reason other the inherent value of feminism - that isn't, like, kinda bad, though?

Yeah, I just tried to read through several pages of this thread and my head is spinning lol.
 
And how does the default genitalia of a woman being a vulva then make those with intersex genitalia or penises automatically not women?



TERFs are people who attempt to use feminism as a trojan horse for transphobia, much like people use “protecting children” as a trojan horse for homophobia (and now transphobia).

If you consider TERF a slur, I’m guessing you think cracker is worse than the n-word?

Yes! Things are way more complicated than people act like they are. Like, even when we're talking biological sex, there is NOT just XX or XY, there are six sets of sex chromosomes and that's only counting ones that are considered relatively common.
 
But DO they have a biological advantage?
Skeletal structure, brain structure...not necessarily advantage but just different. Should womens sports also be for men? Why not call it unisex sports?

the dysphoria of being forced to present as something they feel they are not.
For kids under 18 imo it's more appropriate to treat it as a mental health issue.

Your logic is flawed because you keep thinking of trans-women as men.
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They are men who believe they are women. This seems fairly logical and rational.

"to protect the kids"
That's what a parent is there for, it's their responsibility.
 
Skeletal structure, brain structure...not necessarily advantage but just different. Should womens sports also be for men? Why not call it unisex sports?


For kids under 18 imo it's more appropriate to treat it as a mental health issue.


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They are men who believe they are women. This seems fairly logical and rational.


That's what a parent is there for, it's their responsibility.

How could BRAIN structure possibly give an adventage when it comes to athleticism?

They aren't men who believe they are women. They identify as women, but they identify as TRANSwomen. They are not claiming to be exactly the same as cis-women.
I feel like you're another person who just can't seem to grasp that sex and gender are not the same thing and that is where a LOT of confusion around trans people seems to come in.

But, ultimately, why do you care? Even if we were to say that you were hypothetically correct and transwomen are men who want to be women and transmen are women who want to be men, so they take hormones, change how they dress etc....why do you care? They're not harming anyone and it has zero impact on your life.

Also (and this isn't specifically aimed at you): when discussing trans people, why do people on the right-wing side of them seemingly only ever mention transWOMEN?
 
There IS no "ideology". Some people are born that feel they do not match the gender they were assigned at birth
Isn't this the new stuff being taught at school to naive young impressionable children?
What Is Gender Ideology?
Gender ideology is the source of the belief that children can be born in the wrong body.
www.heritage.org/gender/commentary/what-gender-ideology

If an authority figure (teacher) dictates to impressionable children about gender ideology some will believe it.

They are men who believe they are women. This seems fairly logical and rational.
They aren't men who believe they are women. They identify as women, but they identify as TRANSwomen
Doesn't that just basically mean they're men!? Pardon me but maybe I haven't had enough drugs.
 
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Isn't this the new stuff being taught at school to naive young impressionable children?


If an authority figure (teacher) dictates to impressionable children about gender ideology some will believe it.


Doesn't that just basically mean they're men!? Pardon me but maybe I haven't had enough drugs.

No, I was saying that even if you were hypothetically correct, why do you care?

And, it's not being taught in schools as far as I am aware. At least in my country. But so what if it is? Religion is "taught" in a lot of schools. At least we know LGBT+ people definitely exist, whereas there nothing to even suggest anything in the bible might be real/true. So that is 1000 x "worse".

Personally I'm against it being taught in schools. Same as when they do the same kida thing about race etc. I think it's planting the idea in kids heads of the different, or the other. Kids do NOT care at all about these differences unless influenced by an adult. Why emphasise the differences between different demogrpahics within their own? It highlights the differences between them and others instead of the significantly more numerable and important similarities.
 
They aren't men who believe they are women. They identify as women, but they identify as TRANSwomen. They are not claiming to be exactly the same as cis-women.
I feel like you're another person who just can't seem to grasp that sex and gender are not the same thing and that is where a LOT of confusion around trans people seems to come in.

Maybe you should check in with the OP @arrall who not only identifies as a woman, but also female. Male to female lesbian.

So maybe you'll understand where the confusion is coming from.


THIS!
It's a completely laughable suggestion.













 
And, it's not being taught in schools as far as I am aware. At least in my country. But so what if it is? Religion is "taught" in a lot of schools. At least we know LGBT+ people definitely exist, whereas there nothing to even suggest anything in the bible might be real/true.

I'd consider the "bible kids" to have a moral compass and appreciation for life, including respect for their god given body.
 
This is just a personal observation and not some sort of attack or attempt at offense. This is also a huge generalization because probably 95% of trans women I see are selfies on the internet. I'm genuinely just curious.

My question is why do most Trans women dress hyper feminine in a overtly sexual way? It seems to me they are overcompensating for something.

To me, it seems as if they are more interested in having other people, men, be sexually attracted to them, then they are interested in being a woman in a normal fashion with things women have to deal with.

I get the impression transsexualism has more to do with sexual kinks, desires, and frustration more than "gender dysphoria".

I'm not saying there's anything inherently wrong with that. But I see it as a huge elephant in the room nobody talks about.

Inb4 I get brigaded and attacked and called a transphobe,wilfully ignorant, and a hateful bigot even though I'm leftist, probably one of the most intelligent and compassionate people you'd meet. But these thoughts are highly uncrystalied and this is just my casual uneducated observation. I'm also really high.

However I do confidently make the assertion that sexuality has quite a lot to do with it... more than just "gender dysphoria" or " I don't feel comfortable in my body".... I don't think anyone does until they grow up, sometimes never sadly. God works in mysterious ways

And for the record, I have not read this thread before posting

P.s. I am NOT your enemy trans people. I vote for your damn rights. I fight for your rights... but I'm also entitled to my own opinions and think for myself
 
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