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[Dr. John Thackery]

no it would be your turn to supply the data that indicates there was a large enough amount of people cut off a large enough amount of opioids that the heroin market could not meet said demand.

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l I already gave you the numbers of how much ppl were cut off.

EVEN IF heroin quantity could still meet the demand of the cut off ppl; you have to understand that most of normal ppl cannot afford a 100 to 300. $ per day heroin habit to substitute for their huge bottle of oxy being ripped off. enter dirt cheap and more potent fentanyl that they can afford.

you want me to do math on the post crackdown heroin supply? how about just witness the millions of posts of this forum and everywhere else of ppl complaining they can’t find heroin anymore …sounds like the heroin supply isn’t matching the demand right?

good thing the cartel pumped the country full of fentanyl at this same time (which you say was a coincidence and not a business decision based on changing market)

 

[notsmokeymcpot42088]

l I already gave you the numbers of how much ppl were cut off.

No you didn't. You provided a chart that showed total opioids prescribed dropped 50% over a few years or specifically in 2016 correct?

That is in no way data that the supply of heroin could not support the 50% less opioids prescribed. I am sure you see where there are many missing variables in the equation?

Fentanyl isn't any cheaper than heroin for the end user.

Still a dimebag a pack which is roughly 2 doses for most users, no tolerance maybe a couple more. Fentanyl wears off faster so if anything I would suspect a user to be spending more on the daily and very much challenge the assertion a fentanyl habit is cheaper? This is again something that feels like there is data on that you should present with such premises.

You are VERY MUCH MISSING THE POINT -- I assume on purpose at this point. This was never about not having enough supply it was about collaboration with the chinese chemists (Which is documented, ask I shall supply) leading the cartel to introduce a more profitable 'substitute good' on an already 'captive market'.

Again noone asks you want fent or H - they switched the product knowing junkies would buy it anyways to stay out of w/d's. "Better" mousetrap, not shortage of mousetrap production.

If noone can get heroin now..... by your black and white logic does that mean the cartel has 0 supply of heroin.

I officially rest my case on this one

 

[Dr. John Thackery]

I officially rest my case on this one

ok you win.

the millions of opioid prescriptions that ended after the cdc regs were enforced had nothing to do with the fentanyl epidemic and all research comcuding the same was false.

ppl voluntarily got off prescribed oxy and onto fentanyl that coincidentally saturated the market at the same time as the cdc regs came out that had zero effect on anything

 

[notsmokeymcpot42088]

Not what I said but I do believe those who are trained in deductive logic will see the truth.

Or I am wrong --- either way we both layed out our points and further debate would just continue to be circular?

I once had an economics professor who used heroin as an example of a "Fixed good" (I believe, excuse me if im wrong -- a good with no "substitute goods") --- I raised my hand and argued that other opioids and ates could in fact be substitute goods. He refused to accept that was a possibility --- Id love to talk to him now.

When I mentioned cheaper more potent opioids he quickly switched the metaphor for "Fixed good" to insulin --- which makes sense. I dont know if this adds anything to the debate or not but it may be relative contextually