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ARTICLE: '7-OH, kratom, and the criminalization of pain relief in America'

puke said:
Is the synthetic Kratom more addictive than this kratom tea y'all make? That's the impression I'm getting from the posts.
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It is indeed more addictive, tolerance builds quickly & withdrawal comes with as little as 2 days use.
That's my experience

SigmaDrugCollector
 
SigmaDrugCollector said:
It is indeed more addictive, tolerance builds quickly & withdrawal comes with as little as 2 days use.
That's my experience

SigmaDrugCollector
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I have a feeling I got hooked without really realizing it. I knew it was a bad idea but the stupid addict in me thinks I can do things "recreationally"
 
puke said:
I have a feeling I got hooked without really realizing it. I knew it was a bad idea but the stupid addict in me thinks I can do things "recreationally".
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If you want off the substance, switch to kratom for 3-4 days then gabapentin for 7-10 days & you can get off rather easily.
You'll still suffer the PAWS symptoms though when you stop. But it's up to you to remain positive. I have a weak will when it comes to opioids too. I wish you the best, good luck Bud.

SigmaDrugCollector
 
Never even heard of that gaba stuff, actually most of the chemicals people talk about on here I've never heard of. I didn't take any Kratom the other day and I could feel that good ole wds feeling starting. It's hard to explain dope sickness but I could feel the irritable and the leg cramps comin on.
 
deficiT said:
Welp, Governor Spanberger just signed the ban in Virginia.

Came faster than I expected.

I'm honestly pretty pissed off.
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We supposedly have a ban here in California since a few months ago on sale and manufacture ( but not possession) so I stocked up on some mail order kratom. But I still see it on the shelves in my local liquor store. Also, it seems pretty easy to buy it mail order from a legal state without anyone noticing.
Still, it's slipping away state by state
 
chippermonk said:
We supposedly have a ban here in California since a few months ago on sale and manufacture ( but not possession) so I stocked up on some mail order kratom. But I still see it on the shelves in my local liquor store. Also, it seems pretty easy to buy it mail order from a legal state without anyone noticing.
Still, it's slipping away state by state
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Well it's particularly frustrating because I think the world is in need of reliable pain medicine with less overdose risk. We've seen what happens when this option doesn't exist, such as the crazy amount of fentanyl overdoses we saw over the past decade or so.

I've been looking at the CDC numbers for overdoses by year, and those numbers peaked in 2022, but they've actually started to come down since 2023. Obviously there's a lot of other factors at play, but I believe that the rise in availability of 7-OH was a contributor to these numbers dropping.

Preliminary CDC data predicts for 2025 69,973

2024: ~80,000 deaths | 24.0 crude rate
2023: 105,007 deaths | 31.3 age-adjusted rate
2022: 107,941 deaths | 32.6 age-adjusted rate
2021: 106,699 deaths | 32.4 age-adjusted rate
2020: 91,799 deaths | 28.3 age-adjusted rate
2019: 70,630 deaths | 21.6 age-adjusted rate

There are absolutely risks with 7-OH, physical dependence being likely if you take it regularly. But it's simply not the same thing as being addicted to fentanyl or IV opioids.

These politicians think they are helping the public, but it's the same prohibition playbook they've been running for 100 years, and it's only led to more death, incarceration, and societal woes.
 
puke said:
Never even heard of that gaba stuff, actually most of the chemicals people talk about on here I've never heard of. I didn't take any Kratom the other day and I could feel that good ole wds feeling starting. It's hard to explain dope sickness but I could feel the irritable and the leg cramps comin on.
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dont forget: no energy, yet cant sleep! nose running like faucet too!
 
puke said:
I really don't know how to describe wds, it really is a feeling unlike other sicknesses.
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Yeah, the withdrawal is extremely shitty.

I decided to get back on maintenance to try and get off of it, I'm seeing the doctor in a couple days.

My doses have just inevitably escalated over a long period, and I haven't been able to quit for longer than 48 hours through normal means, so I feel at this point I just have to.
 
deficiT said:
Yeah, the withdrawal is extremely shitty.

I decided to get back on maintenance to try and get off of it, I'm seeing the doctor in a couple days.

My doses have just inevitably escalated over a long period, and I haven't been able to quit for longer than 48 hours through normal means, so I feel at this point I just have to.
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Kratom? How much of a dose are u on? I'm taking 2 and a half 14mg 7oh and am hoping these last pills will be the last I take. I'm such an idiot for trying this shit, I knew I was probably gonna get hooked but did it anyways and have been on for about 5 months.
 
puke said:
Kratom? How much of a dose are u on? I'm taking 2 and a half 14mg 7oh and am hoping these last pills will be the last I take. I'm such an idiot for trying this shit, I knew I was probably gonna get hooked but did it anyways and have been on for about 5 months.
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I dose regular kratom occasionally nowadays, mostly if I run out of 7oh or money, but I mostly just take 7oh. My daily dose is a lot higher than that. I've been taking kratom for about 12 years, on and off. There was a period of time I was completely clean off of opioids, and there was a period of a couple years where I just primarily took heroin, or Suboxone. So my tolerance is pretty high in general, and I'm at the point where I'm dealing with some recurring physical issues and spending far too much money on staying buzzed comfortably.

I had a pretty major injury in 2024, before that I was clean for about a year, I had tapered off of Suboxone over a long period. So I've been relying on 7oh to get through the work day, as I'm constantly in pain. I work a physical job and it causes me a lot of mental anguish just to get through the week.

Yeah, in my circumstance I think getting back on maintenance is the best I can manage at the moment, because the financial problems are really holding me back, but I think I'd be fine if I wasn't buying 7oh. I'm not really doing any other drugs at this time, so hopefully I'm able to get my life on track. I've been trying to quit or cut back for a while, but the withdrawal I'm experiencing is pretty tough.
 
deficiT said:
I dose regular kratom occasionally nowadays, mostly if I run out of 7oh or money, but I mostly just take 7oh. My daily dose is a lot higher than that. I've been taking kratom for about 12 years, on and off. There was a period of time I was completely clean off of opioids, and there was a period of a couple years where I just primarily took heroin, or Suboxone. So my tolerance is pretty high in general, and I'm at the point where I'm dealing with some recurring physical issues and spending far too much money on staying buzzed comfortably.

I had a pretty major injury in 2024, before that I was clean for about a year, I had tapered off of Suboxone over a long period. So I've been relying on 7oh to get through the work day, as I'm constantly in pain. I work a physical job and it causes me a lot of mental anguish just to get through the week.

Yeah, in my circumstance I think getting back on maintenance is the best I can manage at the moment, because the financial problems are really holding me back, but I think I'd be fine if I wasn't buying 7oh. I'm not really doing any other drugs at this time, so hopefully I'm able to get my life on track. I've been trying to quit or cut back for a while, but the withdrawal I'm experiencing is pretty tough.
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How long does the wds effect u?
 
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