Benzos Experienced users - When is does recreational benzo consumption become a problem

[emkee_reinvented]

The poll gives a bit confusion plays a part for me. The title has recreational in it. Little experience with that had some 15mg Temazepam. That if available could have become a problem.

Long vs medium vs short like the middle. Subtype receptor affinity s. Pyrazolam or Clobazam and maybe nitros like Flunitrazepam, Nitrazepam and Nimetazepam as extremes. Clonazolam also nitro ? one big dose @notsmokeymcpot42088 how strong was it ~ vs Etizolam

As comedown tool it seemed perfect, never exceeded dosing stayed equalish. Alprazolam 2 X, and later on Etizolam up to 3 x a week. Must have walked the line here and there. But only GABA didn t get addicted to, used responsibly. Lucky, but never crossed the line. And with luck nevr took notes or had a limit, intuition not a good guide with drug s.

 

[agoraphobe]

Some people will say daily but I think every other day is the threshold to problematic. Going 48 hours without a benzo is just good enough in my book.

 

[notsmokeymcpot42088]

The poll gives a bit confusion plays a part for me. The title has recreational in it. Little experience with that had some 15mg Temazepam. That if available could have become a problem.

Long vs medium vs short like the middle. Subtype receptor affinity s. Pyrazolam or Clobazam and maybe nitros like Flunitrazepam,

That is a very good point as

Nitrazepam

You can OD on this particular benzo but not most. *unless you have other CNS depressants in your system*

and Nimetazepam as extremes. Clonazolam also nitro ? one big dose @notsmokeymcpot42088 how strong was it ~ vs Etizolam

I would say roughly 4x potency? Idk I found it about double the strength of alprazolam (xanax) - I did have alot of experience with etizolam too and it wore off a bit too fast for me. But the buzz was slightly different, some ppl really liked em.

"Too speedy for a benzo" which on its face sounds like some strange riddle unless you done alot of benzos I suppose lol

I liked C-lam alot more euphoria, potency, duration.

Sometimes one dose a day usually half the daily amount a couple times

As comedown tool it seemed perfect, never exceeded dosing stayed equalish. Alprazolam 2 X, and later on Etizolam up to 3 x a week. Must have walked the line here and there. But only GABA didn t get addicted to, used responsibly. Lucky, but never crossed the line. And with luck nevr took notes or had a limit, intuition not a good guide with drug s.

I was damned lol my grandma was on a ton of valium, both parents were scripted benzos, no surprise I ended up with a genetic disposition to insomnia?

Was addicted before I knew exactly how addictive they are (17) -- I mean I read on paper but some things only experience can explain

 

[vision conquest]

I agree with keif richards rule...never two days in a row and never more than twice per week.

I definitely get a recreational effect from benzos.

I am currently enjoying bromazolam and when I dose it is most definitely recreational, it takes great effort to stick to keif's rule but when I do it is pretty issue free.

If I do take it to regularly it quickly loses it's magic and it just becomes a relief.

I do have genuine anxiety issues and was prescribed diazepam for years until I recently lost control of my use and had to do a hospital detox, now my doc won't give me anything but a ssri...which I threw the script for in the bin.

 

[notsmokeymcpot42088]

May I genuinely ask if you were prescribed diazepam -- why would you go to a hospital detox for diazepam? (Totally real question)

You must have known that would be the end of your diazepam? (Personally I woulda went anywhere on earth besides my doctor)

Other than that sounds like a sane system

 

[spypilot]

I would say it becomes a problem when its an everyday thing

 

[cnnka]

When you want to stop but you can’t and / or you make reckless decisions

 

[Kellsee]

If you are already worried about when you don’t have any then it’s already a problem

 

[placebonaut]

If you are already worried about when you don’t have any then it’s already a problem

yes 100%, also if you're thinking about your next hit a lot is quite a bit of a sign as well, ditto rebound anxiety, there's a whole list of dependency/addiction indicators to be aware of, though if you're bumping into these then have things already gone too far?

 

[Kellsee]

yes 100%, also if you're thinking about your next hit a lot is quite a bit of a sign as well, ditto rebound anxiety, there's a whole list of dependency/addiction indicators to be aware of, though if you're bumping into these then have things already gone too far?

I’ll just explain my experience. When I was 12 years old I started having to have surgeries over a cyst that was on my jaw bone. It kept coming back. They ended up having to graft bone into my jaw bone. But my body rejected it. So then they took bone from my hip bone. I started getting bad sinus infections which lead to having reconstructive sinus surgery several times. There was surgeries in between the big surgeries. I just kept having to have more surgeries. My point is that this occurred very consistently thru out my entire adolescent development. All of this kept me in a lot of pain so I was always prescribed pain medicine.

Then at 19 years old I was in my bathroom curling my hair getting ready for a highschool homecoming football game. It was the night I had to give up my crown to the new homecoming queen. I could hear the TV playing from in the living room.

I heard a males voice say….”it has became apparent that there’s a huge risk of addiction associated with the prescription pain medicine OxyContin”. I’ll never forget hearing those words. They’ve echoed thru my head at least once ever single day since that day.

I was just 19. I didn’t even understand the concept of addiction. I knew what drugs were. I always just said no to heroin, cocaine, pot, acid….street drugs. I never ever considered that it could be something that a doctor would give me. But after hearing that voice say that my very next thought was about how it affected me the night before that when I seen that I just had two pills left. Immediately I was overwhelmed with a kind of fear and dread that I’d never felt before. It was like I thought my life was gonna be over once those two pills were gone. It alarmed me that I reacted that way because I didn’t even understand why.

But now I knew. Its because I was a drug addict.

That’s how sneaky and insidious addiction is. It’s satans poison. But imo…it’s the stigma that makes it so lethal.

 

[emkee_reinvented]

@notsmokeymcpot42088 double to Alprazolam 700 mg thats a lot. That to me is like infinite/ unimaginable. Never had a steady supply good thing. You moderate and have breaks that way. Btw dr prescription i d never trust with a med like this. Know how they work here .. can get stopped everyday randomly.

That coupled with the young age factor also mentioned by @Kellsee. And if one experiences euphoria or relieve of anxiety they seem coupled. Good friend of mine was a totally into Flunitrazepam and Diazepam. Paying a visit without even remembering it. He took handfulls of both whenever possible. Gave me one 1 mg. Didn t get it maybe you need more but felt like a individual respons.

 

[placebonaut]

I heard a males voice say….”it has became apparent that there’s a huge risk of addiction associated with the prescription pain medicine OxyContin”. I’ll never forget hearing those words. They’ve echoed thru my head at least once ever single day since that day.

I was just 19. I didn’t even understand the concept of addiction. I knew what drugs were. I always just said no to heroin, cocaine, pot, acid….street drugs. I never ever considered that it could be something that a doctor would give me. But after hearing that voice say that my very next thought was about how it affected me the night before that when I seen that I just had two pills left. Immediately I was overwhelmed with a kind of fear and dread that I’d never felt before. It was like I thought my life was gonna be over once those two pills were gone. It alarmed me that I reacted that way because I didn’t even understand why.

But now I knew. Its because I was a drug addict.

That’s how sneaky and insidious addiction is. It’s satans poison. But imo…it’s the stigma that makes it so lethal.

brutal example of the fucked up oxy crisis in the US, very unfair that they did that to you!

 

[BadBoy377]

When you black out and start waking up with random objects, people or injuries you have no prior memory of.

 

[WellTram]

i use a mix for pain and sometimes recreational (aka sleep)

i’ve been using valium for about 6 years.

but i use it in and off

my worse fear is to get dependent on benzos

so my last break was a 2 week long break about a month ago; no withdrawal even at the end of the 2 weeks. since then i’ve used almost daily 20mg or so.

i’ve definitely used daily for a month or longer even before and not become dependent

i used pregabalin heavily for 5!years straight with no withdrawal.

i just got done reading a news story about jordan peterson and how he basically has brain damage now from his benzo use. my mom has been permanently stuck on benzos her entire life since i was born at least.

i am terrified of getting hooked on this shit.

but i have one chronic pain issue that flares up randomly that not even opioids work for and only the diazepam does.

the problem is sometimes i get depressed over other health issues and just want to sleep my whole life away so then i use benzos outside of my pain management.

this needs to change.



so anyways based on the above bold text am i freaking out or am i gonna be ok if i stop now for at minimum several weeks. if i dont get pain ill stop for months

im terrified tho

Maybe your pain will be greatly reduced by muscle relaxants, for example tizanidine is wonderful for pain, it is muscle relaxant related to clonidine and if u want to fall asleep, this one is great for it. But you will need to add some diazepam to stay asleep for longer than 2 hours.

 

[JackARoe]

i’ve definitely used daily for a month or longer even before and not become dependent

I believe it takes a lot or receptor activity to change then. About a year and a half ago I came to bluelight to ask questions on benzos. I pretty much went about 35 years without so much as touching a benzo. Early on friends and I used to use seconal and nembutals for our high school buzzes.. Then all of a sudden the
only thing people were getting prescribed was diazepam by 1982. So as kid I wrote benzos off as a way to get high on downers. Qualuudes soon disappeared too. So bam, never touched them again for years. Never talked off them again for years.

In 2013 I remember getting some etizolam. 100 pills lasted my wife and I a year. Very light use. Used BL for smart use and it worked. I may have starting taking every night since I was out of the benzo loop for years. Heard the dangers of baribiturates, but in my head benzos were safe and unfun for...er lack of a better term, to get 'HIGH'. Benzoes should be called LOWS

Fast forward to a crisis time involving dying parents. I found about 120 5 mgs Teva diazepams in their house from a pharmacy, I also had 30 mgs of liquid lorazepam the hospice nurse gave me and winked. So I come on BL to learn to them use wisely, I always hated this drug, but during crisis I needed it to dim the environment and get sleep at times. I thought using that amount, more than I ever had, was a lot. In a year it would be anywhere from once a week to 3 times a week. Therapeutic doses, from 5-15 mgs of diazepam or 1-2 lorazepam. Nothing crazy, I was using them to quell anxiety. When all was said and done I never even experienced rebound anxiety. I just stopped as they were not needed. Now I learned that is very light use. But another thing I learned is was told by my doctor and friends to take when needed and relax and get sleep. So I did. These pills are for using like that. But yeah, that is my heaviest use in 62 years. And I learned the amount of benzos I had for the year some people could take in two days. lol Absolutely a crazy waste.

the problem is sometimes i get depressed over other health issues and just want to sleep my whole life away so then i use benzos outside of my pain management.

So totally understandable. You know when younger I could use opiates for this, which to me are much more addicting. But these days I maintain on 20 gr of plain leaf kratom, I leave morphine and things like that alone. I myself will never try 7-OH. After 47 years of opiates they are not an option for emotional pain. Benzos are only ok for this, only because I can sleep on command. That seems to give someone an opportunity to reset, take a night off. Unfortunately the problems are still there the next day, but after sleep I can power through some of them. Resets give rest to tired people.

so my last break was a 2 week long break about a month ago; no withdrawal even at the end of the 2 weeks. since then i’ve used almost daily 20mg or so.

Not personally experienced with this I can say from reading here at BL, putting breaks in between is almost a surefire way to not get too dependent. It really does seem it takes round the clock dosing for some months to get to the bad area. I mean I read about people taking clonazepam of alprazolam for 40-50 years. Round the clock, I think that is where the more severe symptoms kick in without a taper. And I have learned a nice slow long taper can be used and even be somewhat comfortable if sone correctly.

I am willing to say a two week break, after needing the med a lot for a few days, will be a guard against any true withdrawal. Yeah I did learn to use them if needed, but not daily. I am also willing to bet it really is only daily use that would involve a bad withdrawal use. But as I research I am also amazed at how many people jump into daily use. After I sleep i don't want anymore.

Glad to have a brain with virgin stimulant, dissociative, and benzo receptors. I like keeping them that way. I found the only way to get even a sliver of euphoria from a benzo is to take the lowest amount to get rid of anxiety. (not 6 mgs of xanax all.....) .5 of xanax, 1 mg of etizolam or 5-10 mgs of diazepam. 99% of the time there is no euphoria. One time I took 1 mgs of etizolam and 5 mgs of diazepam before going to a stressful tax meeting. That hit quick, had me bouncing around like a different drug. Tried that again 2 weeks later with no anxiety or stress and all it did was make me feel sleep. 99.2% of the time they don't give the classic opiate type euphoria. But it seems people keep trying. But being able to sleep on command is a from of control that makes me euphoric.

To me these drugs are meds, sort of irritates me when I go on Reddit and read dumb stuff. So many people get grams of powder and use daily until gone. This for sure in not a drug I could use a lot, but when the medical aspects work they are a big help and relief.

One last funny anecdote, when I go to they psychedelic boards I read that people carry xanax or some other benzo to help if a trip goes sour. Like at concerts. Finally an old timer came in and said we didn't have no stinking xanax at concerts, I was told to keep quiet and drink my beer and ride it out lol. That and the music worked. But yes, as I get older .5 xanax or 1 mgs etizolam works, These days, yes I need something to calm dower after the trip is done. Never during it.

Ok I babbled enough, but this statement I understand and while we all go through periods like that I think it is something we all need to work on. I totally get it: And it hurts me that people hurt. I feel it too.

the problem is sometimes i get depressed over other health issues and just want to sleep my whole life away so then i use benzos outside of my pain management.