Opioids Some help with my plan to go into WD.

[Bitchniggaz]

Been doing opiates since oktober last year, started my own business and tried to stay away from Ketamine.

So done mostly raw opium since then, also had a few weeks here and there were i did Oxy's instead.

On the Oxy's the doses can easily to crazy fast.
They last alot shorter then opium so its easy to fall into constant redosing.

However with the opium tar ots quite easy to just take a small ball once per day or so.
At most i took between 0,5-0,75g per day.

However it was quite easy to cut it down to like 0,1-0,2g.
Mostly noticed low energy and a slightly runny nose.
At those doses i can go around 30-40h before i really notice the Wd creeping up on me.
Next thursday ive been doing these low doses for about 3weeks.

Im planning to take my last dose tuesday evening.
Then im taking Wed-Friday off from work, im also getting a few grams of Ket to use once the hard withdrawal hits me.

So my plan is to use Ketamine Thursday-Sunday.
Just being home binging movies and hopefully be able to ge through the first few days.

I will also prepare some cannabis and get a handful of Xanax for sleep etc.


Any other ideas that could get me passed that first week?

 

[Allylbenzene]

Good idea on the tapering strategy.

I wrote this guide which outlines the most practical OTC way to prevent WD and facilitate full recovery, including preventing relapse. It doesn't use any expensive or experimental items.

Then im taking Wed-Friday off from work, im also getting a few grams of Ket to use once the hard withdrawal hits me.

FYI ketamine is likely an opioid agonist like opium/oxy so while it's useful (thanks to it's other properties) it's not ideal. There's several viable alternatives which I mentioned in the practical OTC recovery post (things with similar properties eg NMDA antagonism, BDNF, mTOR, sigma agonism).

 

[Zopiclone bandit]

So my plan is to use Ketamine Thursday-Sunday.
Just being home binging movies and hopefully be able to ge through the first few days.

I will also prepare some cannabis and get a handful of Xanax for sleep etc.


Any other ideas that could get me passed that first week?

TBH I feel you got it wrapped up quite nice.

I made a post a few days ago when I lost my daily 50mg of Methadone & I was so sick, that thread had some good stuff about how the brain works when you go into Opiate Withdrawl.

IMHO the best things to kick opiates are MXE (when it was legal in Europe that stuff was amazing for the days you would be sick) & also Pregabalin.
I can swear to you a good dose of Pregabalin will make you feel 98% fine when you are well past 24 hours of no Opiates.

I wish you the best with it, IMHO kicking is the most easy part it is when The PAWS kicks you in the balls the real Horror begins but YMMV as they say.

 

[Zopiclone bandit]

@JackARoe
You seen this thread? You blew me away with your posts on my thread, I felt you should be tagged on this & if you have any advice to give etc I am sure the OP would take notice of it.

 

[JackARoe]

@JackARoe
You seen this thread? You blew me away with your posts on my thread, I felt you should be tagged on this & if you have any advice to give etc I am sure the OP would take notice of it.

I did ZB, had a flurry of activity so I need to reread the thread again. I am 62, NE USA. My last street H was in 1991. Then poppy pods for 15 years.

Let me reread. There is good stuff in here. Hope you are feeling better by the day.

 

[Zopiclone bandit]

NE USA

Is that Nebraska? Sorry my Brother we English aren't that savvy with the letters American people use to speak of their location.
I am from the UK's 2nd City called Birmingham & if you ever seen the BBC show Peaky Blinders that is where I am from.

 

[SigmaDrugCollector]

I use the following to cope with wds:
Gabapentin, pregablin, Suboxone,kratom(tea)
(Use one , not combined)

To rebuild your gut biome & brain chemistry,I use: apple cider vinegar, black seed oil, dlpa, l-tyrosine, bdnf, slippery elm bark, vitamin C, Chamomile tea, probiotic & probiotic supplements.

Good Luck,

SigmaDrugCollector

 

[Bitchniggaz]

I use the following to cope with wds:
Gabapentin, pregablin, Suboxone,kratom(tea)
(Use one , not combined)

To rebuild your gut biome & brain chemistry,I use: apple cider vinegar, black seed oil, dlpa, l-tyrosine, bdnf, slippery elm bark, vitamin C, Chamomile tea, probiotic & probiotic supplements.

Good Luck,

SigmaDrugCollector

Thanks, my plan this time is to avoid other opiates or kratom.
Ive had a few rounds with kratom and would like to avoid it.

Nvr had pregalbin but had a Gabapentin script years ago.
Maybe i will get some Pregablin for after the most acute days.
Ket has worked well to kill the first few days of the process.
And usually after the first week im somewhat able to keep my mind occupied to cope.


Im overall a active person who trains alot.
So just if i can get passed the sickness phase i should be good.

 

[Allylbenzene]

To rebuild your gut biome & brain chemistry,I use: apple cider vinegar, black seed oil, dlpa, l-tyrosine, bdnf, slippery elm bark, vitamin C, Chamomile tea, probiotic & probiotic supplements.

It's not often you see herbal recommendations on BL but they are very effective and can do things which "standard items" can't. To rebuild the liver, milk thistle is quite good. The closest botanical equivalent to ketamine is called Polygala tenuifolia, and supplement wise agmatine & creatine are comparable OTC options. A magnolia officinalis extract can feasibly replace benzos, pregabalin & gabapentin, especially if used alongside theanine & agmatine (GABAergic, glutaminergic) and magnesium (NMDA antagonist).

The adaptogens are also excellent for recovery including Rhodiola and Albizia.

These items are particularly helpful for opioid recovery and can be used in any desired combination. They replace the use of clonidine, guanfacine and tizanidine for reducing withdrawals.

• agmatine (endogenous α2-adrenergic agonist)
• CBG (α2-adrenergic agonist)
• myrcene (α2-adrenergic agonist)
• linalool (α2-adrenergic agonist)
• beta-caryophyllene (sedative, neuroprotective, TLR4, others)

Alpha-2 adrenergic agonists are able to produce sedation, analgesia, euphoric effects and partially block acute withdrawal symptoms in chronic opioid users.

Adding an α2-adrenergic to a sedation regimen reduces opioid requirement by 50–75% and benzodiazepine requirement by upwards of 80%. (source)

Also good shout on vitamin C, it's surprisingly helpful for opioid wd specifically. "Sodium ascorbate" is a good non-acidic option which I outlined in this post.

 

[SigmaDrugCollector]

It's not often you see herbal recommendations on BL but they are very effective and can do things which standard items can't. To rebuild the liver, milk thistle is quite good. The closest botanical equivalent to ketamine is called Polygala tenuifolia, and supplement wise agmatine & creatine are comparable OTC options. A magnolia officinalis extract can feasibly replace benzos, pregabalin & gabapentin, especially if used alongside theanine & agmatine (GABAergic, glutaminergic) and magnesium (NMDA antagonist).

The adaptogens are also excellent for recovery including Rhodiola and Albizia.

These items are particularly helpful for opioid recovery and can be used in any desired combination. They replace the use of clonidine, guanfacine and tizanidine for reducing withdrawals.

• agmatine (endogenous α2-adrenergic agonist)
• CBG (α2-adrenergic agonist)
• myrcene (α2-adrenergic agonist)
• linalool (α2-adrenergic agonist)
• beta-caryophyllene (sedative, neuroprotective, TLR4, others)

Also good shout on vitamin C, it's surprisingly helpful for opioid wd specifically. "Sodium ascorbate" is a good non-acidic option which I outlined in this post.

So would magnolia officinalis be magnolia bark extract? The Chinese herbal remedy? If that does what it says , I may stop gabapentin & take that for a week or 2. & See if it helps.

SigmaDrugCollector

 

[Ddeeee]

Exercise and nice hot steamy showers i like to have the window cracked for fresh air and the footy on the radio to keep my mind busy although i like to do that anyway high or rattling

 

[Ddeeee]

I use the following to cope with wds:
Gabapentin, pregablin, Suboxone,kratom(tea)
(Use one , not combined)

To rebuild your gut biome & brain chemistry,I use: apple cider vinegar, black seed oil, dlpa, l-tyrosine, bdnf, slippery elm bark, vitamin C, Chamomile tea, probiotic & probiotic supplements.

Good Luck,

SigmaDrugCollector

i wish i still had a source for kratom that stuff is magic

 

[Allylbenzene]

So would magnolia officinalis be magnolia bark extract? The Chinese herbal remedy? If that does what it says , I may stop gabapentin & take that for a week or 2. & See if it helps.

Yes. The bark extract acts as a GABAergic (benzo) and cannabinoid (CB1, CB2) which means it blocks excitatory signalling similarly to gabapentin/pregablin.

It'll work even better with theanine & agmatine which are both pro-GABA and synergise with Magnolia since they all block excitatory signalling.

 

[SigmaDrugCollector]

Wow, I'm putting in an order soon. My brain is all out of whack & I need to stay rather collected to get my job done.
Thank you for the information.

SigmaDrugCollector

 

[Bitchniggaz]

Thanks for all the replies and advice...

Today it will been a week since my last dose of any opiates.

Before i went totally off i had some business and personal things i had to finish.
So the last week i had to switch to oxy's since my pure opium ran out.
Did about 40-60mg of the oxy's the last days spread out in 20-30mg every 12h.

I also started doing some Ket a few days i took the last oxy.

I timed the crashout until i was able to be totally alone for about 5days.
Stocked up on food,beverages etc.

The safe thing would have been to let my gf help me.
But she was gonna go to the family for a few days anyway.
So felt better to not involve her right now.
Tell her about it later when the worst is over.


Anyway the worst part was def friday-sat on the body.
The ket helped alot with just dealing with how the mind handled the situation.
Puked some but not that much actually, mostly the night between fri-sat.
Totally runny poops for about 50ish hours.

Didnt eat much but something every day at least.


Spent most of my time watching Netflix in my bed injecting as much Ket as needed to dull myself.
K think i did about 9grams in 6days.

Also smoked cannabis but not that much..


Today its been about 48h since i touched any Ket.
Slowly just trying to get back into reality.

Cleaning my house and talking to my gf who is back.
She is of course worried but she knows i will get back on my feet.
She supports me but i cant keep going down into these spirals of abuse.


At least i dont crave any opiates yet, weirdly that part of this process was far easier then expected so far.

But probably since opiates wasnt my main issue.
I willingly went into a abuse since they just made me stable.
Wasnt that long of a stint, mostly did em to avoid going into Ket binges.
Worked well actually.

But now i did a Ket binge to get out of the opiate habit..

So back to square 1 i guess.


Just have to take it 1 day at a time for now.

 

[SigmaDrugCollector]

Yes. The bark extract acts as a GABAergic (benzo) and cannabinoid (CB1, CB2) which means it blocks excitatory signalling similarly to gabapentin/pregablin.

It'll work even better with theanine & agmatine which are both pro-GABA and synergise with Magnolia since they all block excitatory signalling.

I got the magnolia bark but I am on a very low dose of Suboxone strip maybe 1 mg, I was wondering if I can take the magnolia bark while being on this low dose? I don't want to feel worse so any further advice would be very helpful & I will report back how I feel if I do take it.
Thanks

SigmaDrugCollector

 

[HeadphonesandLSD]

You're lucky you have a supportive girlfriend and enough funds to have confront medications. I had to go cold turkey off a 40+mg a day oxy habit and a 3mg+ xanax habit at the same time with nothing to help at all and no support system. It was awful for the first week or two but after that I started to return to normal. The liquid shits should start to ease up by next week or so. Just stay the course.

You used a lot of K. Probably for the best if you don't rely on it anymore. You're through acute withdrawal now for the most part you need to go totally drug free and give you brain and body time to adjust to having no outside help. Trust me it'll be much better by the end of the month. The cravings will always be there but they will subside by the middle of month two most likely. After that you'll just get triggers if you see someone else using or if you see a straw/needle or whatever your routine involved. The routine is as bad as the substance.

Stay the course you'll make it.

I got the magnolia bark but I am on a very low dose of Suboxone strip maybe 1 mg, I was wondering if I can take the magnolia bark while being on this low dose? I don't want to feel worse so any further advice would be very helpful & I will report back how I feel if I do take it.
Thanks

SigmaDrugCollector

I'm not sure about the bark but I was on bupe for awhile myself and doing about 1mg a day. I was able to easily jump off of it without much help. You might consider dropping to 0.5mg and spreading your doses out at the very end. Take half in the morning and half in the afternoon or just before bed. After you're doing to sub-milligram doses jumping off will be pretty easy. It isn't going to feel good of course but you're body/brain should have an easy time adjust to normality again. Good luck, you can do it.

 

[SigmaDrugCollector]

I'm not dependent on Suboxone right now. I took it for only a few days at low dose.
It's been a week since my last opioid dose & I have been on gabapentin in between with no real withdrawal to speak of.
The Suboxone is knocking the shit out of me, making me sleep especially if I smoke weed. I'm in the unmotivated state right now but it's not severe doom & gloom. I may go back on gabapentin for this work week then stop all together next Saturday. I get paid next Thursday though & I know what I'll want to go buy when I get paid. I'll try to refrain though as I am so sick of being in various states of withdrawal & just not feeling well after the poly substance abuse.

SigmaDrugCollector

 

[HeadphonesandLSD]

Bupe (Suboxone) is a very powerful substance even at just 1mg. It doesn't feel like an opioid on the euphoria front but it binds tightly to the receptors. 3 days is enough to get dependent don't let it fool you. The doses they prescribe at the clinics are nuts. 1mg could easily hold me when I had a heavy oxy habit. It wasn't fun but it was working well enough that I wasn't in full blown withdrawal. 3 days on bupe can easily turn into everyday on bupe. The stuff is deceptive like that and it's much stronger that the doctors say it is.

Your best bet is to do what you have to do to get through the work week. Once you get time off cease taking everything if you can. Including the weed. Deal with the worse of the withdrawal by going cold turkey. It's going to suck. It's time to pay the piper.

The reason you need to quit the Gabapentin and the weed is because while they're very helpful they can easily lead to using your opioid of choice again. Your body and brain need time to rest. If you keep feeing them drugs they never get a chance to find balance. They're so used to getting a substances everyday that they'e stop producing their own endorphins and you've blocked certain receptors with the gabapentin and bupe.

You have to give the brain and body time to adjust agin and crank up production of the natural feel good chemcials.

Opioid withdrawal is terrible trust me I know. You can do it. If you've ever had a bad flu before then you've gone this. Go lay in bed and wait it out. Get up and take a really hot shower now and again. Sweat it out. In a few days you'll still feel like shit but things will start to get much better. Every day will be a little better. Before you know it a month has passed.

If you're worried about your job take some sick time on Friday and Monday. That gives you four days to deal with acute withdrwal. On day 3 or 4 you should feel well enough to be able to go into work.

You can do it. Grab that monkey on your back and beat his ass.

 

[SigmaDrugCollector]

I'm going off Saturday, I have a plan. No way I'm going cold turkey, I paid the piper enough. With planning, one can avoid that horrible syndrome all together. By Saturday it will be 13 days of no opioids.
So I think I can do the weekend with my natural supplements like magnolia bark, lemon balm , black seed oil , bdnf, probiotic, vitamin c , dlpa & some different tea with wildflowers, valerian, lemon balm, passion flower etc
It hasn't been an everyday bender for months so I think I can skate Saturday & be a monkey less human once again.
If I cold turkey, my stomach motility rebounds horrifically & I bleed because my intestines swell up & I have to use my turmeric ginger tea to reduce the inflammation. So I really want to avoid that because it's really debilitating.
Thank you for your kind words LSD
I will report back

SigmaDrugCollector