Getting Out of the Mindset of ALWAYS Needing Substances?

[marcoman]

I'm lucky in that I'm not from the U.S. so all meds are reasonably priced here. A prescription is the equivalent of ~$14USD. That's every prescription. Whether you're getting 8 pills or 120, brand or generic, every med etc.
Except for people who meet certain criteria they are free. There's a list of meds that are considered "Life-Saving Medication" which are always free for anyone who needs them, and if you're on one of them, ALL of your meds for anything are free. I'm on Insulin so qualify, meaning I never pay for any rx. Doesn't have to be related to the diabetes, like my anti-depressants, pain meds etc are all free, if I need antibiotics or anything they'd be free.

Unfortunately, benzo prescriptions have pretty much become extinct here. On the extremely rare occasion anyone gets one, it's either 2 or 3 week maximum they can be prescribed for. And really low doses. I remember when my grandma was diagnosed with terminal cancer and was understandably very distressed. So they prescribed her Diazepam (Valium)...wanna know how much? 2mg tablets, up to three a day.
6 fucking mg a day.

May I ask what specific country you are in? I see "UK" is next to your profile but I didn't know a lot of prescription drugs are free over there (I'm a USA slave)

I've looked at those Asian and India/Packistanny webpages and they are seem sketchy AF. Buying the powder is cheapest and I aleady have a manual pill making machine and would need to strip- test them as well. Or maybe use more sophisticated test methods. I did hear the risk of orders getting siezed at borders is common so a person could lose their money.

 

[placebonaut]

May I ask what specific country you are in? I see "UK" is next to your profile but I didn't know a lot of prescription drugs are free over there (I'm a USA slave)

I would love a lifetime supply, lol...and at 68 thats not a whole lot really, lol. I've looked at those Asian and India/Packistanny webpages and they are seem sketchy AF. Buying the powder is cheapest and I aleady have a manual pill making machine and would need to strip- test them as well. Or maybe use more sophisticated test methods. I did hear the risk of orders getting siezed at borders is common so a person could lose their money.

you need a doctor to write a prescription still in the UK but the way medicine is funded is different than the US, so free doesn't mean you can just get whatever rec drugs you want.

don't be importing things cross boarder, the dark net is flooded with indian pharma.

god only knows what a 68 year old is doing with a pill press, but if you're buying powder from a reputable source you don't need a pill press for personal use just weigh it out and eat it, and if you need to put it in a cap or parachute it with Toilet/Cigarette Paper

 

[marcoman]

you need a doctor to write a prescription still in the UK but the way medicine is funded is different than the US, so free doesn't mean you can just get whatever rec drugs you want.

don't be importing things cross boarder, the dark net is flooded with indian pharma.

god only knows what a 68 year old is doing with a pill press, but if you're buying powder from a reputable source you don't need a pill press for personal use just weigh it out and eat it, and if you need to put it in a cap or parachute it with Toilet/Cigarette Paper

I already looked intot the asian/pakistanny route and said no fkn way. One, I don't know what I'm getting, Two, I'd have to test it. Three, I'd have no idea the true and actual potency, and Four, I may get totally ripped off and lose my money.

and yes, even if I got powder I would not need a pill press. I have a small manual "pill filler" that does 40 at a time. I use it for making my own herbs and buy the empty gel capsules.

 

[placebonaut]

One, I don't know what I'm getting, Two, I'd have to test it. Three, I'd have no idea the true and actual potency, and Four, I may get totally ripped off and lose my money.

that's pretty much the same for anywhere illicit that you buy from, if you're looking for legal/grey market that limits your options depending on where you live, ironically there's a lot more things you can get in the US if that's where you're based

 

[DeathIndustrial88]

And, like, nobody ever sucked dick for Caffeine.

People say this a lot whenever someone brings up how nicotine, caffeine & all the perceived "lighter drugs" are still drugs.

What people fail to realize is that nobody's sucking dick for caffeine or nicotine because they're readily available drugs, that come in endless forms, that anyone can go get at any time. Caffeine is pretty affordable too. Find 2 bucks in change & viola, you can go buy yourself a 20oz Coca Cola & there's your caffeine fix.

Guarantee if you made caffeine & nicotine illegal tomorrow, there would be people sucking dick to get some.

Prohibition & the drug war creates the need for desperation, where people will degrade themselves for their fix.

And it also depends on your socioeconomic status. When I was at my worst & had absolutely no money, I have indeed "sucked dick" for nicotine, caffeine & alcohol. Now that I'm better off, I certainly wouldn't do that now though.

 

[ChemicallyEnhanced]

People say this a lot whenever someone brings up how nicotine, caffeine & all the perceived "lighter drugs" are still drugs.

What people fail to realize is that nobody's sucking dick for caffeine or nicotine because they're readily available drugs, that come in endless forms, that anyone can go get at any time. Caffeine is pretty affordable too. Find 2 bucks in change & viola, you can go buy yourself a 20oz Coca Cola & there's your caffeine fix.

Guarantee if you made caffeine & nicotine illegal tomorrow, there would be people sucking dick to get some.

Prohibition & the drug war creates the need for desperation, where people will degrade themselves for their fix.

And it also depends on your socioeconomic status. When I was at my worst & had absolutely no money, I have indeed "sucked dick" for nicotine, caffeine & alcohol. Now that I'm better off, I certainly wouldn't do that now though.

Nicotine, sure, I can see that.
But not Caffeine. Nobody would be desperate enough for CAFFEINE to do that.
I certainly wouldn't. And I do that shit for free.

Oh, alcohol, yeah. That's very different, though. It's extremely addictive and the withdrawal can easily be fatal. Of course people do for alcohol. Have done myself.
Never for nicotine, but there have been times when I've gone several hours without any and I feel really aggravated and desperate like I'd do ANYTHING for a cigarette so I can see doing it or that. Plus, when I was homeless (I didn't smoke - nicotine, anyway - back then) I knew other homeless people who would smoke "dumps" (used cigarettes you find on the ground when there's like maybe an 8th or a 4th of it left).

 

[DeathIndustrial88]

But not Caffeine. Nobody would be desperate enough for CAFFEINE to do that.

As I said... you'd literally need 2 bucks to get your dose of caffeine, so nobody's sucking dick for caffeine because it's relatively inexpensive and available at the store. Take the accessibility to caffeine away & I'm sure people would be sucking dick for it. The longest I made it without caffeine (intentionally, tried to quit) was 9 days. And I couldn't stand the brain fog & anxiety anymore & finally broke down & drank some. Who would've thought anxiety would've been an WD side effect of caffeine?

I quit for those 9 days because I randomly developed a heart arrhythmia. So even the threat of heart problems wasn't able to get me to quit. At least not for longer than 9 days. That's how addictive it is.

I knew other homeless people who would smoke "dumps" (used cigarettes you find on the ground when there's like maybe an 8th or a 4th of it left).

I use to do this with my mom all the time. We weren't homeless, but broke enough to run out of cigarettes every month for years & years.
So we'd walk around to these bars downtown & then steal all the butts out of the ashtrays & then bring them home & cut the very tips of the butts off. It was fuckin' disgusting, but we had to do what we had to do for a nicotine hit.

 

[ChemicallyEnhanced]

As I said... you'd literally need 2 bucks to get your dose of caffeine, so nobody's sucking dick for caffeine because it's relatively inexpensive and available at the store. Take the accessibility to caffeine away & I'm sure people would be sucking dick for it. The longest I made it without caffeine (intentionally, tried to quit) was 9 days. And I couldn't stand the brain fog & anxiety anymore & finally broke down & drank some. Who would've thought anxiety would've been an WD side effect of caffeine?

I quit for those 9 days because I randomly developed a heart arrhythmia. So even the threat of heart problems wasn't able to get me to quit. At least not for longer than 9 days. That's how addictive it is.


I use to do this with my mom all the time. We weren't homeless, but broke enough to run out of cigarettes every month for years & years.
So we'd walk around to these bars downtown & then steal all the butts out of the ashtrays & then bring them home & cut the very tips of the butts off. It was fuckin' disgusting, but we had to do what we had to do for a nicotine hit.

Interesting you mention anxiety. I've NOT drank caffeine some days because, despite headaches, brainfog, lethargy etc, I also had ANXIETY and I was convinced the caffeine would make it worse. But now I'm wondering if the anxiety was also a withdrawal thing.
Today is one of those days, actually. Think I'm gonna make some coffee now and see if it helps...maybe take a few Gabapentin with it just in case, to offset the anxiety if it does make it worse.

I understand with the cigarettes. The withdrawal - and I mean like 4 (waking) hours is all - makes me full of this horrible anxious-agitated energy where I'm super-fidgety and and feel like screaming and like my brain is going crazy. It's very intense considering nicotine is so normalized (though I guess you could say the same about alcohol, which is worse).
I d know they said that (here in the UK) IF they weren't legal, Alcohol would be a Class A drug (same as Heroin, Fentanyl, Cocaine etc) and Nicotine would be a Class B drug (same as Codeine, Benzos, Amphetamine). I think that suggests they're both pretty serious.

 

[ChemicallyEnhanced]

May I ask what specific country you are in? I see "UK" is next to your profile but I didn't know a lot of prescription drugs are free over there (I'm a USA slave)

I would love a lifetime supply, lol...and at 68 thats not a whole lot really, lol. I've looked at those Asian and India/Packistanny webpages and they are seem sketchy AF. Buying the powder is cheapest and I aleady have a manual pill making machine and would need to strip- test them as well. Or maybe use more sophisticated test methods. I did hear the risk of orders getting siezed at borders is common so a person could lose their money.

Sorry it took me a few days to get back. I read this reply right before going to bed and meant to reply when I woke up, but forgot.
I'm in England.
When I say FREE, I mean monetarily. You don't pay any money for them. You still need to get a prescription from a doctor. And usually if it's a controlled substance (opioids, benzos, amphetamines..) you'll only get like a 2 week supply at a time. Like, my Zomorph (slow-release Morphine), I take one twice a day, so I get 28 every 14 days. It's not that you can just get shit at a pharmacy without a prescription, or that you can just get as many pills as you like.

If you're going for "one of those places", I know that, like, Valium, Klonopin, Tramadol, Codeine, Xanax, Ambien and others are all OTC in Mexico.

 

[Dr. John Thackery]

the disgusting way that humans are forced to live nowdays that’s we think is actually comfortable is what is making everyone absolutely miserable and drug addicts do more drugs and normal ppl also resorts to their own comforts founds anywhere they can get them,

we evolved to be hunter gathering in nature then die by 30 in our physical prime.

if you participate in hunting or gathering food in the wild as a hobby you really start to understand that this is exactly what a living human is supposed to be doing every day.

the agricultural and industrial revolutions led to a lot of miserable over labor (slavery) and a type of labor that itself is miserable and lacks the novelty of exploring nature and the dopamine hit of finding and capturing a meal. these revolutions led to others just having an excess of food and not needing to hunt /gather and they sit around miserable and bored.

sitting around staring at screens at 50-70 with a bunch of medical problems - the question might be: how are drugs not widely accepted as essential to live in this disgusting and unnatural way that our minds so obviously detest

 

[streaM Freak]

... we think is actually comfortable is what is making everyone absolutely miserable ...

Yeah it is sad. This is why blaming a drug user for using drugs isn't okay. Similar things happen in corporate American, and I'm sure all over the world - politics and all, too - they say the "shit runs down stream"..

This happened with me first hand. They tried rolling something out prematurely. I'm sure the manager was incentivized to do so. Then those who are supporting the system have to eat the shit that the manager overlooked. I've walked out of 3 corporate jobs before. And I'm talking literally. I don't know why. I think I just "hate goodbyes", or more accurately, I think if I had to explain my situation it would make me even more angry. I don't owe an explanation to anyone. If they see it their way, and I see it my way, then that's fine. I'm not causing harm. And I'll take on the responsibility of putting myself in a tough situation. But at least I'm not using my time to make people (and myself) miserable. Sure, my team was down a man - boo-fucking-hoo - hire a monkey.

These days people are getting too comfortable ignoring problems. Pass it on to someone, a whole generation even.

As time goes on, and my mental illness only progresses, I can't help but feel more and more drive to use my life / time / energy to try and stop this snowball before it turns into an avalanche. And that doesn't have to be some heroic effort - simply trying to make good decisions.

 

[Dr. John Thackery]

These days people are getting too comfortable ignoring problems. Pass it on to someone, a whole generation even.

this triggered a rant so here it goes:


the mentality of the boomer generation. these ppl are the most vile thoughtless and selfish creatures ever spawned. i don’t know what all the factors are that made them way they are.

but these fuckers would light babies on fire for an extra $5.

these ppl grew up and worked on easy mode. every boomer in my field m, their academic background / experience would not even get the into the company scrubbing toilets; yet they got starting positions in my field with their mediocre academic credentials (which themselves were not competitive whatsoever to get since they weren’t competing with the best china and india have to offer on american academic turf life now days).

their pay was almost the same and a home was 80K that is 1M now.

health insurance actually paid for thing.

now they do everything in their power to make it as impossible as possible to succeed in this world.

i mean personally it benefits me because i met these inflated expectations and was basically the very last generation where the ppl that were at the top 5% could slip into a career if they got lucky. but that’s even precarious because it’s so fucked that many ultra qualified ppl are competing for less and less, just to survive sometimes. i’m just saying ppl younger than me have it so fucking bad that i don’t think they we’ll be competitive to replace me because they don’t get work experience because they don’t get real jobs with the right experience until their late 30s if lucky, after finishing 3 phds, fellowships, post docs, a law and medical defeee and a nobel prize or two

but these fuckers all entrench themselves into political positions of authority; they have 5 years or less to live and are hell bent on taking taking and taking money to the grave thrlugh corruption. they are sick sick ppl.

they vote more than anybody and everything they vote for is to make this existence a living fucking hell for everyone. they are driven completely by spite. they lack humanity and thought. their brains formed under the intoxication of capitalisms hey dey.

it’s most pronounced in america. they pride themselves on family but america has the least cohesive and weakest family unit of any culture on earth. 18? bye and you’re welcome for shitting you out into this nightmare for their own entertainment. oh you owe me rent now if i’m going to let you live here.

they had the real “participation trophy” generation of even the most mediocre workers not having to compete what all of india and china and getting paid enough to have a 4 BR house with a stay at home mom and 4 kids and a weekend lake house.

they have handed Everything we work for to billionaire pieces of filth because seeing the current generation get any of it is unacceptable to them.

back when i still spoke to the fuckers, i’d regularly listen to my retired parents who combined at the END of their careers made 30% of what i do. they are enjoying their multiple homes and boats and toy cars and just shit on my generation and even more on younger ones for not working hard like them.

these fuckers would be digging ditches if they were 20-50 years old today. trust me. that’s their qualification. it’s especially rich coming from my mom who was just a leech that didn’t work wasn’t educated , hired a maid from south america and did jack shit. it makes me sick to even listen to her talk about hard work or earning your way.

seriously fuck this sick generation of ppl i’m so glad that in another 10 or 15 years they will be extinct


the ponzi scheme that is the rape of the american reserve and treasury is going to turn america into lord of the flies when the jig is up. because these animals wanted an small yacht for their big yacht

 

[spypilot]

i feel this
i do drugs pretty much daily as i just dont wanna be sober
i have about 5.2 grams of diphenhydramine and a bit over 500 milligrams of propylhexedrine left
like dph gives a mediocre high but ill fucking take it over being clean

 

[Kellsee]

I think a lot of this happens because of a battle that’s going on inside of us all. It’s between two opposing forces….our flesh and our spirit. Both are always fighting for control over our choices…our focus and our eternity.

That’s why our flesh always wants its way. And it’s always gonna try to take the easy way out of everything. It wants food when we’re not really hungry. It tries to make us feel lust before we feel love. It always wants to be comfortable when we need to move to grow. It craves constant validation…stimulation…attention…sugar…dopamine…all of it.

But our spirit is totally different. It craves discipline. It craves truth. It’s not flashy. It’s not loud. It’s focused. It’s not trying to numb us. It’s trying to build us. It yearns for a true connection…not a quick fix from the world. But everything around us is constantly draining us……physically, mentally and spiritually. That’s why we gotta be more intentional with how we decide to recharge because that’s what we become dependent on. That’s why it’s good to take some time out and put the flesh on trial and train your spirit to take charge. This tells the flesh….”you don’t run me”. But I think a lot of us have become too addicted to all the noise…the chaos.

Maybe take some time out and become more comfortable with solitude. Because when the noise dies guess what gets louder…your spirit….your conviction….theres a voice you’ll start to hear. Don’t run from it. Maybe listen to it a little more. This is what ive been telling myself anyways.

I mean let’s just be real. We lie to ourselves a lot for the sake of comfort. It’s nothing new lol. C’mon just one more bite…you've been good lately…you've earned it…you can start tomorrow But every time we say no to a craving or need for stimulation we break a chain…we weaken a stronghold. We train our spirit to lead. But every time we say yes to the flesh we build a habit of weakness. We can end up building a life where our impulses are the boss of us