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Opioids Does it still count as detox/withdrawal if you take loperamide?

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For the sake of time zones, it's currently 5am Tuesday.
So I've been taking around 200mg Morphine per day (mostly rectally, so like 400mg orally)

Only had 80mg Thursday (big decrease, but I'm not counting that as a detox-withdrawal day as I had only mild withdrawal that was tolerable)

On Friday (I guess day 1?) I had 40mg (orally), as I couldn't have ZERO as I woke up mid-shitting-the bed and then violently threw up until I was spitting blood. And on Saturday I ALSO FUCKING WOKE UP WHILE SHITTING MYSELF and had vomiting and diarrhea all day so had 20mg orally.
Sunday nothing at all.
Yesterday like 48mg Lope, no Morphine again
So far nothing today.

This count, right?

As in I'm on day 5 of detox?
 
For the sake of time zones, it's currently 5am Tuesday.
So I've been taking around 200mg Morphine per day (mostly rectally, so like 400mg orally)

Only had 80mg Thursday (big decrease, but I'm not counting that as a detox-withdrawal day as I had only mild withdrawal that was tolerable)

On Friday (I guess day 1?) I had 40mg (orally), as I couldn't have ZERO as I woke up mid-shitting-the bed and then violently threw up until I was spitting blood. And on Saturday I ALSO FUCKING WOKE UP WHILE SHITTING MYSELF and had vomiting and diarrhea all day so had 20mg orally.
Sunday nothing at all.
Yesterday like 48mg Lope, no Morphine again
So far nothing today.

This count, right?

As in I'm on day 5 of detox?

It’s essentially opioid free, Loperamide is only peripherally acting, so you shit yourself less but the receptors in the brain have begun to recover endogenous function..

Good job, but not so sure about the doses of Lope just be careful.
 
Pregabalin 600mg helps the bad times too.

There's many options that'll be more helpful than Pregabalin imo. I wrote this guide which addresses opioid recovery. It's fully otc. Zero experimental or expensive items involved. For morphine it should work just fine.

It removes the need for benzos and does what SR-17018 can't do (which is a lot when you really think about it).
 
There's many options that'll be more helpful than Pregabalin imo. I wrote this guide which addresses opioid recovery. It's fully otc. Zero experimental or expensive items involved. For morphine it should work just fine.

It removes the need for benzos and does what SR-17018 can't do (which is a lot when you really think about it).
Better than pregabalin, eh? I am intrigued!
 
There's many options that'll be more helpful than Pregabalin imo. I wrote this guide which addresses opioid recovery. It's fully otc. Zero experimental or expensive items involved. For morphine it should work just fine.

It removes the need for benzos and does what SR-17018 can't do (which is a lot when you really think about it).
Aww. Is it Available anywhere other than reddit? I'm genuinely interested.

Could give you my email if you were up for sending it to me or PM?
 
Aww. Is it Available anywhere other than reddit? I'm genuinely interested.

Could give you my email if you were up for sending it to me or PM?

I’ve stacked a lot of this info as it’s top notch

Not me- credits to Allyl


* very low-dose pregnenolone (1-30mg, regenerative via multiple mechanisms) — Note: for benzodiazepine recovery omit pregnenolone
* very low-dose thiamine (10-50mg, metabolic repair, w/carbs or honey)
* very low-dose riboflavin (1-10mg, metabolic repair, w/carbs or honey)
* very low-dose nicotinamide (10-50mg, metabolic repair, w/carbs or honey)
* very low-dose biotin (1-5mg, metabolic repair, w/carbs or honey)
* very low-dose aspirin (5-30mg, metabolic repair, TLR4, boosts dopamine synthesis)
* theanine (calms adrenals, regenerates dopamine system, neuroprotective)
* magnesium (anti-glutamate, protects from excitotoxicity, not the 'glycinate' form: 'malate' seems appropriate)
* agmatine (multiple mechanisms, +TLR4) — Note: for some people agmatine can be too sedating. If you choose to try it please introduce it at a very low dose.
Optional but very* helpful:
* *palmitoylethanolamine (reduces histamine, metabolic support)
* *linalool (GABAergic sedative, others)
* *myrcene (potent sedative)
* *beta-caryophyllene (sedative, neuroprotective, TLR4, others)
* *essential minerals necessary for proper cellular function, outlined here
* phytol (pro-GABA sedative)
* bisabolol (GABAergic sedative)
* nerolidol (GABAergic sedative)
* borneol (GABAergic sedative)
Specific for opioid recovery (the first 5 items are helpful for other drugs also):
* CBG (α2A adrenergic agonist, TLR4, others)
* L-phenylalanine (dopamine precursor, not the DL- form)
* sodium ascorbate (outlined here)
* low-dose creatine (multiple mechanisms)
* beta-caryophyllene (sedative, neuroprotective, opioidergic, others)
* agmatine (detailed above)
* pregnenolone (detailed above)
* thymoquinone (multiple mechanisms)
* curcumin (multiple mechanisms, +TLR4)
* myrrh oil/extract (opioidergic)
This presentation synthesizes peer-reviewed research demonstrating how specific myrrhessential oil constituents directly interact with central nervous system opioid receptors. Furanoeudesma-1,3-diene acts as a specific δ-opioid receptor agonist with naloxone-reversible analgesic effects.
β-Caryophyllene stimulates endogenous β-endorphin release, producing opioid-mediated antinociception without direct receptor agonism. Clinical trials demonstrate efficacy at 8-16 mg bioactive furanodienes daily.

These findings suggest that β-Caryophyllenemay have certain therapeutic effects against opioid use disorders with fewer unwanted side-effects by itself.
Moreover, we found that the behavioral effects of curcumin on opioid tolerance and dependence correlated with its inhibition of morphine-induced CaMKIIα activation in the brain. These results suggest that curcumin may attenuate opioid tolerance and dependence by suppressing CaMKIIα activity.
This specific combo has similar qualities to drugs like clonidine, guanfacine and tizanidine (alpha-2 adrenergic agonists):
* agmatine (endogenous α2-adrenergic agonist, TLR4)
* CBG (α2-adrenergic agonist)
* myrcene (α2-adrenergic agonist)
* linalool (GABAergic sedative, others)
* beta-caryophyllene (sedative, neuroprotective, TLR4, others)
Alpha-2 adrenergic agonists are able to produce sedation, analgesia, euphoric effects and partially block acute withdrawal symptoms in chronic opioid users.
Adding an α2-adrenergic to a sedation regimen reduces opioid requirement by 50–75% and benzodiazepine requirement by upwards of 80%.
— Clarification on the avoidance of Magnesium glycinate:
For some people glycine can have unpleasant stimulating effects as it's a "co-activator" (co-agonist) of the glutamate NMDA receptor. For someone going through drug recovery who is already dealing with excess excitatory noise (eg glutamate), taking Magnesium glycinate can aggravate this. Magnesium 'malate' is usually well tolerated.
Quote — "Glycine is deeply involved in regulating the glutamatergic transmission, acting as a co-agonist of NMDAR, allowing for its activation and enhancing excitatory glutamatergic tone ."
— On aspirin:
FYI aspirin does a lot more than what it's known for, specifically metabolic & mitochondrial repair. It has unique theraputic properties which make it a valuable addition for drug recovery. A very low dose ranges from 5-30mg. If using aspirin over a long period of time it's recommended to combine it with a small amount of vitamin K2.
Quote — "Because aspirin has been abused by pharmaceutical companies that have competing products to sell, people can easily find reasons why they shouldn’t take it.
 
It’s essentially opioid free, Loperamide is only peripherally acting, so you shit yourself less but the receptors in the brain have begun to recover endogenous function..

Good job, but not so sure about the doses of Lope just be careful.

Yes, my mattress thanketh the Great God Lope.

I do well with lope generally. Once I took like 120 (pills), went to bed, and woke up with the most extreme vomiting (I guess I poisoned myself?) but usually I take 40-60mg (I read online that on average you need ~37mg Lope in a unidose in order to cross the BBB a little to mitigate WD). But even with taking up to 120mg, I don't get any side-effects and have taken like 120mg/day several (4?) days in a row and still pooped every day.

[I actually have a "mattress topper" that Is ONLY on my bed because my aunt gave me it and I always feel bad if someone gets me a gift and I don't use it, even if they'd never KNOW...anyway...saved my mattress :D


^It's like a padded layer if anyone doesn't know? Like...similar to a thinner, denser pillow that goes between your mattress and bottom sheet.
 
Yeah it absolutely counts.

You're entitled to some comfort and dignity. What's your plan with the lope? Taper it off pack at a time or pill a day?

Pregabalin 600mg helps the bad times too.

Good luck.

BB

I don't have any Pregabs, but I'm rx's Gabapentin and been eating them like vicodin candy.

I think Loperamide and Gabapentin have been decent enough. Lope for GI distress, Gaba for anxiety, tachycardia, hypertension etc.
 
I’ve stacked a lot of this info as it’s top notch

Not me- credits to Allyl


* very low-dose pregnenolone (1-30mg, regenerative via multiple mechanisms) — Note: for benzodiazepine recovery omit pregnenolone
* very low-dose thiamine (10-50mg, metabolic repair, w/carbs or honey)
* very low-dose riboflavin (1-10mg, metabolic repair, w/carbs or honey)
* very low-dose nicotinamide (10-50mg, metabolic repair, w/carbs or honey)
* very low-dose biotin (1-5mg, metabolic repair, w/carbs or honey)
* very low-dose aspirin (5-30mg, metabolic repair, TLR4, boosts dopamine synthesis)
* theanine (calms adrenals, regenerates dopamine system, neuroprotective)
* magnesium (anti-glutamate, protects from excitotoxicity, not the 'glycinate' form: 'malate' seems appropriate)
* agmatine (multiple mechanisms, +TLR4) — Note: for some people agmatine can be too sedating. If you choose to try it please introduce it at a very low dose.
Optional but very* helpful:
* *palmitoylethanolamine (reduces histamine, metabolic support)
* *linalool (GABAergic sedative, others)
* *myrcene (potent sedative)
* *beta-caryophyllene (sedative, neuroprotective, TLR4, others)
* *essential minerals necessary for proper cellular function, outlined here
* phytol (pro-GABA sedative)
* bisabolol (GABAergic sedative)
* nerolidol (GABAergic sedative)
* borneol (GABAergic sedative)
Specific for opioid recovery (the first 5 items are helpful for other drugs also):
* CBG (α2A adrenergic agonist, TLR4, others)
* L-phenylalanine (dopamine precursor, not the DL- form)
* sodium ascorbate (outlined here)
* low-dose creatine (multiple mechanisms)
* beta-caryophyllene (sedative, neuroprotective, opioidergic, others)
* agmatine (detailed above)
* pregnenolone (detailed above)
* thymoquinone (multiple mechanisms)
* curcumin (multiple mechanisms, +TLR4)
* myrrh oil/extract (opioidergic)
This presentation synthesizes peer-reviewed research demonstrating how specific myrrhessential oil constituents directly interact with central nervous system opioid receptors. Furanoeudesma-1,3-diene acts as a specific δ-opioid receptor agonist with naloxone-reversible analgesic effects.
β-Caryophyllene stimulates endogenous β-endorphin release, producing opioid-mediated antinociception without direct receptor agonism. Clinical trials demonstrate efficacy at 8-16 mg bioactive furanodienes daily.

These findings suggest that β-Caryophyllenemay have certain therapeutic effects against opioid use disorders with fewer unwanted side-effects by itself.
Moreover, we found that the behavioral effects of curcumin on opioid tolerance and dependence correlated with its inhibition of morphine-induced CaMKIIα activation in the brain. These results suggest that curcumin may attenuate opioid tolerance and dependence by suppressing CaMKIIα activity.
This specific combo has similar qualities to drugs like clonidine, guanfacine and tizanidine (alpha-2 adrenergic agonists):
* agmatine (endogenous α2-adrenergic agonist, TLR4)
* CBG (α2-adrenergic agonist)
* myrcene (α2-adrenergic agonist)
* linalool (GABAergic sedative, others)
* beta-caryophyllene (sedative, neuroprotective, TLR4, others)
Alpha-2 adrenergic agonists are able to produce sedation, analgesia, euphoric effects and partially block acute withdrawal symptoms in chronic opioid users.
Adding an α2-adrenergic to a sedation regimen reduces opioid requirement by 50–75% and benzodiazepine requirement by upwards of 80%.
— Clarification on the avoidance of Magnesium glycinate:
For some people glycine can have unpleasant stimulating effects as it's a "co-activator" (co-agonist) of the glutamate NMDA receptor. For someone going through drug recovery who is already dealing with excess excitatory noise (eg glutamate), taking Magnesium glycinate can aggravate this. Magnesium 'malate' is usually well tolerated.
Quote — "Glycine is deeply involved in regulating the glutamatergic transmission, acting as a co-agonist of NMDAR, allowing for its activation and enhancing excitatory glutamatergic tone ."
— On aspirin:
FYI aspirin does a lot more than what it's known for, specifically metabolic & mitochondrial repair. It has unique theraputic properties which make it a valuable addition for drug recovery. A very low dose ranges from 5-30mg. If using aspirin over a long period of time it's recommended to combine it with a small amount of vitamin K2.
Quote — "Because aspirin has been abused by pharmaceutical companies that have competing products to sell, people can easily find reasons why they shouldn’t take it.

Holy fuck, that's an entire supplement aisle!

I do have Magnesium* but it reduces the absorption of Gabapentin. Maybe if I try and take them several hours apart?

*The good Magnesium...lemma go check what it is...
 
^
"Magnesium Glycinate 3-in-1"

Each pill contains:
Magnesium Glycinate 1000mg
Magnesium Malate 400mg
Magnesium Citrate 400mg
Elemental Magnesium 384mg


^I think this is good??
 
"Magnesium Glycinate 3-in-1"
Each pill contains:
Magnesium Glycinate 1000mg

For some people glycinate is fine but for others it can have unpleasant stimulating effects as it's a "co-activator" (co-agonist) of the glutamate NMDA receptor. For someone going through drug recovery who is already dealing with excess excitatory noise (eg glutamate), taking Magnesium glycinate can aggravate this.

Some context:
Glycine is deeply involved in regulating the glutamatergic transmission, acting as a co-agonist of NMDAR, allowing for its activation and enhancing excitatory glutamatergic tone.
 
Holy fuck, that's an entire supplement aisle!

I wrote it to address recovery from all drugs but the key opioid-recovery items are as follows (inexpensive + otc):
  • very low-dose pregnenolone (1-30mg, regenerative via multiple mechanisms)
  • very low-dose thiamine (10-50mg, metabolic repair, w/carbs or honey)
  • very low-dose riboflavin (1-10mg, metabolic repair, w/carbs or honey)
  • very low-dose nicotinamide (10-50mg, metabolic repair, w/carbs or honey)
  • very low-dose biotin (1-5mg, metabolic repair, w/carbs or honey)
  • very low-dose aspirin (5-30mg, metabolic repair, TLR4, boosts dopamine synthesis)
  • theanine (calms adrenals, regenerates dopamine system, neuroprotective)
  • magnesium (anti-glutamate, protects from excitotoxicity, not the 'glycinate' form: 'malate' seems appropriate)
  • agmatine (multiple mechanisms, +TLR4) — Note: for some people agmatine can be too sedating. If you choose to try it please introduce it at a very low dose.
  • palmitoylethanolamide (reduces histamine, metabolic support)
  • beta-caryophyllene (sedative, neuroprotective, TLR4, others)
  • sodium ascorbate (outlined here)
  • low-dose creatine (multiple mechanisms)
The idea is for full repair + recovery, and to prevent relapse (see TLR4 items).
 
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For some people glycinate is fine but for others it can have unpleasant stimulating effects as it's a "co-activator" (co-agonist) of the glutamate NMDA receptor. For someone going through drug recovery who is already dealing with excess excitatory noise (eg glutamate), taking Magnesium glycinate can aggravate this.

Some context:

Maybe I don't take it then :/
 
Holy fuck, that's an entire supplement aisle!

I do have Magnesium* but it reduces the absorption of Gabapentin. Maybe if I try and take them several hours apart?

*The good Magnesium...lemma go check what it is...
I don't know if it's just me but anytime I take magnesium it gives me the shits which is kind counterproductive in a detox situation.
 
I wrote it to address recovery from all drugs but the key opioid-recovery items are as follows:
  • very low-dose pregnenolone (1-30mg, regenerative via multiple mechanisms)
  • very low-dose thiamine (10-50mg, metabolic repair, w/carbs or honey)
  • very low-dose riboflavin (1-10mg, metabolic repair, w/carbs or honey)
  • very low-dose nicotinamide (10-50mg, metabolic repair, w/carbs or honey)
  • very low-dose biotin (1-5mg, metabolic repair, w/carbs or honey)
  • very low-dose aspirin (5-30mg, metabolic repair, TLR4, boosts dopamine synthesis)
  • theanine (calms adrenals, regenerates dopamine system, neuroprotective)
  • magnesium (anti-glutamate, protects from excitotoxicity, not the 'glycinate' form: 'malate' seems appropriate)
  • agmatine (multiple mechanisms, +TLR4) — Note: for some people agmatine can be too sedating. If you choose to try it please introduce it at a very low dose.
  • palmitoylethanolamine (reduces histamine, metabolic support)
  • beta-caryophyllene (sedative, neuroprotective, TLR4, others)
  • sodium ascorbate (outlined here)
  • low-dose creatine (multiple mechanisms)
The idea is for full repair + recovery, and to prevent relapse (see TLR4 items).
Is this everything that you said was on the reddit page?

If not if someone could kindly send me screenshots of the reddit Id be really grateful.
 
I don't know if it's just me but anytime I take magnesium it gives me the shits which is kind counterproductive in a detox situation.

I shit like 6 times a day WITH the opioids. Last time I (involuntarily) ended up going cold turkey I pooped over 40 times in 24hrs and ended up so dehydrated I had to crawl to the phone :/
Yeah, Magnesium has a laxative effect...one of it anyway...citrate?
 
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