High estradiol number need advice

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My estradoil came back at 181 which is quite fucking high. Im going to cut back on the test till i can get estrogen blockers. Would dividing up the dose every week help maybe or do i need something like anastrozole?
 
Yeah - take smaller injections more regularly than one big dose every week - you get less spikes in T and E that way.
 
It is quite high, but more important; do you have estrogenic sideeffects?

And what's your test level at?

Usually the T:E ratio are the important factor, not the E2 number itself.. Or rather the ratios between estrogens and androgens
 
blazR said:
It is quite high, but more important; do you have estrogenic sideeffects?

And what's your test level at?

Usually the T:E ratio are the important factor, not the E2 number itself.. Or rather the ratios between estrogens and androgens
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No side effects besides possibly some pain in the knees which could just as easily be arthritis tbh. My sex drive is still through the roof

My test level is currently 37.2 which is alot higher then i expected for only 200mg's of test a week
 
Are we talking EU/UK numbers? I'm on the us and I think I'm your scale the e2 number is not super crazy. For US or definitely up there.

On 250 test cyp pinning M,W,F my E2 I was at 103 ph/ml with no AI. I was going though some hard stuff but was breaking down weeping multiple times a day.

Adding in 25mg Aromosin twice a week helped and got thingsc under control. I didn't get labsv but the sides went away.

In comparison the UK end of take for men over 21 is 146 pmol.

I assume you're referring to pmol. So while your above take it's not a crazy coverage.

If you're pinning once a week more frequent can help. But don't expect miracles going from x1 a week to x3. It certainly has solved this issue for many.
 
latenighter said:
Are we talking EU/UK numbers? I'm on the us and I think I'm your scale the e2 number is not super crazy. For US or definitely up there.

On 250 test cyp pinning M,W,F my E2 I was at 103 ph/ml with no AI. I was going though some hard stuff but was breaking down weeping multiple times a day.

Adding in 25mg Aromosin twice a week helped and got thingsc under control. I didn't get labsv but the sides went away.

In comparison the UK end of take for men over 21 is 146 pmol.

I assume you're referring to pmol. So while your above take it's not a crazy coverage.

If you're pinning once a week more frequent can help. But don't expect miracles going from x1 a week to x3. It certainly has solved this issue for many.
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Canadian numbers so not sure. I may try some anastrozole but im not getting any real side effects so not sure
 
Don't use estrogen blockers for Christ sake. You aren't on grams a week. You are on TRT.

Just take less testosterone and do it more frequently.
 
Did you get an lc/ms/ms sensitive estrogen test?

Around ten years ago on 150 mgs trt, 75 mgs every 3.5 days, e2 came back in 1000s. A guy on a bodybuilding board told me about this test. I went back to doc, asked if I could get this estrogen sensitive test, he did it and came back into range

There was nothing I took that cause those reading. You may have difficulty currently getting the doctor to order those labs bc ten years ago insurance seemed to do so more

You can always try if your really concerned

A good option is smaller mgs . I used to sub q 10-20 mgs a day for years ,many months, then I did more intra muscle shots
 
Innerpeace said:
Did you get an lc/ms/ms sensitive estrogen test?

Around ten years ago on 150 mgs trt, 75 mgs every 3.5 days, e2 came back in 1000s. A guy on a bodybuilding board told me about this test. I went back to doc, asked if I could get this estrogen sensitive test, he did it and came back into range

There was nothing I took that cause those reading. You may have difficulty currently getting the doctor to order those labs bc ten years ago insurance seemed to do so more

You can always try if your really concerned

A good option is smaller mgs . I used to sub q 10-20 mgs a day for years ,many months, then I did more intra muscle shots
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I dont know the exact test it was just one for estradiol

I think im gling to start pinning twice a week. 3 times is to much for my liking
 
paranoid android said:
Im gonna try taking 100mg's twice a week and see how it goes. Ill get more blood work done in 2 months or so
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where are you in canada? it's very easy to get ai's online shipped right to your door. an if you dose say 6.25 mg of aromasin on dosing days depending on your estrogen sides a bottle would last you a long ass time. estrogen is good for lipids so if your not having water retention, bp issues or ed i wouldn't bother fucking with it. i always felt better with a little more estrogen. everyone is different though
 
seedee said:
where are you in canada? it's very easy to get ai's online shipped right to your door. an if you dose say 6.25 mg of aromasin on dosing days depending on your estrogen sides a bottle would last you a long ass time. estrogen is good for lipids so if your not having water retention, bp issues or ed i wouldn't bother fucking with it. i always felt better with a little more estrogen. everyone is different though
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Ya im not having any side effects yet i might not fuck with it
 
If you're not having side effects, don't treat it.

Aching knees/joints typically is typically more associated with low estradiol. Ask anyone who has nuked their estradiol to get dry how it feels (feels like rusty joints filled with broken glass for me with my tendons feeling like dried out rubber bands).

Estradiol itself has health benefits such as improving one's lipid profile (cholesterol) along with improving bone mineral density, igf-1 production, and itself is also anabolic in nature. Look at the health of post menopausal women to see what happens when estrogens are lost (osteoporosis, muscle loss, Increased risk of coronary artery disease and type 2 diabetes, etc).
 
Serotonin101 said:
If you're not having side effects, don't treat it.

Aching knees/joints typically is typically more associated with low estradiol. Ask anyone who has nuked their estradiol to get dry how it feels (feels like rusty joints filled with broken glass for me with my tendons feeling like dried out rubber bands).

Estradiol itself has health benefits such as improving one's lipid profile (cholesterol) along with improving bone mineral density, igf-1 production, and itself is also anabolic in nature. Look at the health of post menopausal women to see what happens when estrogens are lost (osteoporosis, muscle loss, Increased risk of coronary artery disease and type 2 diabetes, etc).
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Ya no side effects so i think im fine.
 
Serotonin101 said:
If you're not having side effects, don't treat it.


Estradiol itself has health benefits such as improving one's lipid profile (cholesterol) along with improving bone mineral density, igf-1 production,
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while yes it does have a whole host of benefits it also has a whole host of negative things it does to the male body when it's out of ranger. high estrogenic is carcinogenic in many tissues. also to clear things up on the igf1 thing. in humans estrogen unregulates a binding protein that essentially renders your igf useless. (for body building purposes) so may people reference these studies of cattle being given trenbolone and estrogen and assumed high estrogen means high igf in the muscle. they just miss one thing. humans have a binding protein
that bovine do not.
 
paranoid android said:
My estradoil came back at 181 which is quite fucking high. Im going to cut back on the test till i can get estrogen blockers. Would dividing up the dose every week help maybe or do i need something like anastrozole?
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Lower test
Lower body fat
Try low dose Boldenone or primobolan
Start AI/serm/AE etc

Id try in that order

Injection frequency will have only the slightest effect, (still worth adjusting) just don't let anyone convince you that "perfectly even blood levels lower side effects". It makes a slight difference, it absolutely does not significantly change aromatization to E2 within same weekly doses.

Id crank it down to 75-100mg a week max and start dialing in.

It's starting to become understood that AIs and ancillary meds are actually pretty harmful to things like lipid balance and such, certainly not long term safe meds, despite being less obviously problematic than AAS
 
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What’s your body fat ? These are crazy numbers for 200mg but not unheard of.
What I would do in your situation?
I would take a 2.5mg Letrozole pill divide it into fourths and take 1/4th of a pill.
You will feel better in 1-3 days , if you’re not feeling better 3-4 days later take another 1/4 of a pill but no more than that.
You can incorporate Masteron into your regime it will lower your estrogen no matter what they say and it will hide a lot of side effects.
What side effects do you have ?
 
cnnka said:
What’s your body fat ? These are crazy numbers for 200mg but not unheard of.
What I would do in your situation?
I would take a 2.5mg Letrozole pill divide it into fourths and take 1/4th of a pill.
You will feel better in 1-3 days , if you’re not feeling better 3-4 days later take another 1/4 of a pill but no more than that.
You can incorporate Masteron into your regime it will lower your estrogen no matter what they say and it will hide a lot of side effects.
What side effects do you have ?
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I have no side effects. I dont want to take masteron cause of the hairloss ive heard its bad.

My body fat aint bad but i have abit of a gut
 
paranoid android said:
I have no side effects. I dont want to take masteron cause of the hairloss ive heard its bad.

My body fat aint bad but i have abit of a gut
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It depends a lot on hair loss. I’ve had no hair loss from Masteron, but I have had it from testosterone, for example.

If you care about hair loss, you should probably avoid most DHT androgens like Primo, Masteron, Proviron, or excessive testosterone dosages.

It also varies a lot sometimes in the past I had hair loss on 500 test, but on 1500 it wasn’t a problem. Even if you have no side effects from high estrogen, you should lower it. You can’t live like that long term at some point the side effects will occur, and along with high androgens, prostate problems are common.

What’s your height and weight? I’m 1.88 cm, 100 kg, and I get by with 175 mg testosterone undecanoate every week, one injection every Tuesday. That put me on 1100 testosterone and around 32 e2.

In my case, switching from test E to test U helped a lot with E2 and androgenic side effects.

But I still get a spike once every two months. I take 1/4 of a pill of Letrozole and that takes care of things, but it lowers it too much, so I’m probably switching to Arimidex. I just haven’t done it yet because it’s been working this way for years without problems I get semi-low libido for 3–4 days and that’s it.

If you have access to Arimidex do what I told you with 1/4th of a pill but with Arimidex instead of letrozole , but actually in your case letrozole would probably fit perfectly.
 
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