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Kratom to 7OH potency not making sense to me.

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Psynaught

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I have been taking Kratom once a day 5-6 days a week for a long time with no problems. I take it at night about an hour and a half after my work out (I am still a hard core gym rat) and it makes me feel better.Gives me energy to take my dog out on the bike late at night. I am old and have all sorts of sources of pain (the worst are my feet/ankles especially after a calve workout).

I was taking 9 capsules which are a touch under .6 grams and always felt pretty good. I cut that back to 6 capsules due to nausea but about two hours before I go to bed I feel crappy again so I have been taking a tiny amount of 7OH at that point, about 2-3 mgs.

Supposedly, a mg of 7OH equals 3 grams of Kratom, but I don't feel that at all, whatsoever. I barely feel the 2-3 mgs. Technically, 2-3 mgs of 7OH is supposed to equal 6-9 grams of Kratom, but that is not true at all in my case. 2-3 mgs of 7OH feels less powerful than 2-3 grams of Kratom. I have taken a whole 26 mg tablet of 7OH (split in two doses) and it does not feel like 26 grams of Kratom (speculation, I have never taken 26 rams of Kratom)


I don't think this is a tolerance issue, because I absolutely feel 5 grams of Kratom. Has anyone else felt that an mg of 7OH is not equal to a gram of Kratom? It may be the brand, Opia. I have found other 7OH's to be much more potent than OPIAs
 
Hey man, first and foremost, this shit is almost entirely unregulated. I cannot say this enough, numerous Mitragynine/Kratoam analogs have been found to contain Fentanyl(s) and even Isonitazene. This is not a conspiracy theory. You cannot put any trust in the types of individuals who would choose to capitalize on he suffering of others in such a way.

You have no idea what is in your product unless you get it tested.

Let´s take the supplement industry. It is by comparison, extremely regulated. When people take nutritional supplements/herbs etc. and test them, it is more common for the stated contents to be misrepresented in some way than for it to be portrayed honestly. This Black Seed Oil is supposed to be 10% Tymoquinone content, then people test the product and find it is closer to 4% than 10%. This is an every cay occurrence. People who sell these deceptive products are generally allowed to continue selling their procucts so long as they are not dangerous.

So, if multi-million dollar companies sold on store shelves are lying to your face on a constant basis, how honest do you expect these people to be even remotely honest. Why would they be?
 
IME 3.75mg 7OH the lowest dosage I’ve taken it’s pretty potent and it dosent resemble to kratom at all
 
Not familiar with 7oh, but Kratom contains a whole bunch of various alkaloids that are making it a way more complex drug than any single extract could ever be. Afaik even science is currently only speculating that mitragynin/7oh are responsible for the main effect, so it makes sense to me that the experience is not equal by any means... In addition to questionable content as said before.
 
Hey friend, I want to let you know that you are spot on. Not only is 7OH entirely unregulated, but usually it is an extract of only a single alkaloid and not the full spectrum of alkaloids that are contained in Kratom. On top of that, if it is even just a single alkaloid and not cut with other far deadlier substances, the alkaloid in question binds to the same receptors that opioids do, making 7OH function much more like an opioid with all the same dangers and drawbacks.

Speaking as someone who is trying to wean off 200MG-400MG of 7OH daily, this shit is the worst. I’ve been free from alcohol for almost 4 years, free from Nicotine for about 2, but this has given me withdrawals unlike anything else. If you are able to get by with just Kratom, I would highly recommend sticking to just that.

I know I didn’t answer your original question of how much kratom is equivalent to X Mgs of 7OH, but I hope I brought some light to the fact that this question is like asking how much Kratom is equal to X dose of Oxy, they just aren’t directly comparable.
 
Lolzorrior said:
Hey friend, I want to let you know that you are spot on. Not only is 7OH entirely unregulated, but usually it is an extract of only a single alkaloid and not the full spectrum of alkaloids that are contained in Kratom. On top of that, if it is even just a single alkaloid and not cut with other far deadlier substances, the alkaloid in question binds to the same receptors that opioids do, making 7OH function much more like an opioid with all the same dangers and drawbacks.

Speaking as someone who is trying to wean off 200MG-400MG of 7OH daily, this shit is the worst. I’ve been free from alcohol for almost 4 years, free from Nicotine for about 2, but this has given me withdrawals unlike anything else. If you are able to get by with just Kratom, I would highly recommend sticking to just that.

I know I didn’t answer your original question of how much kratom is equivalent to X Mgs of 7OH, but I hope I brought some light to the fact that this question is like asking how much Kratom is equal to X dose of Oxy, they just aren’t directly comparable.
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Thanks for the post and the warning. Yes, 7O is super addictive. I take it once, maybe twice a week. I keep it to 20 mgs or so, just enough to feel a little better. I have been keeping my Kratom under 3 grams a day.
 
Keif' Richards said:
Hey man, first and foremost, this shit is almost entirely unregulated. I cannot say this enough, numerous Mitragynine/Kratoam analogs have been found to contain Fentanyl(s) and even Isonitazene. This is not a conspiracy theory. You cannot put any trust in the types of individuals who would choose to capitalize on he suffering of others in such a way.

You have no idea what is in your product unless you get it tested.

Let´s take the supplement industry. It is by comparison, extremely regulated. When people take nutritional supplements/herbs etc. and test them, it is more common for the stated contents to be misrepresented in some way than for it to be portrayed honestly. This Black Seed Oil is supposed to be 10% Tymoquinone content, then people test the product and find it is closer to 4% than 10%. This is an every cay occurrence. People who sell these deceptive products are generally allowed to continue selling their procucts so long as they are not dangerous.

So, if multi-million dollar companies sold on store shelves are lying to your face on a constant basis, how honest do you expect these people to be even remotely honest. Why would they be?
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Yeah back in 89, 31 people died or got very ill from improperly synthesized L-tryptophan.

www.upi.com

L-tryptophan victims say government concern 'too little, too late' - UPI Archives

In the late 1980s, Dorothy Wilson, Frances Thompson and Paul Houts were healthy Americans who hoped to beat their insomnia without taking addictive...
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The FDA got involved and tried to get congress or sum to pass a law that would require supplement manufacturers to prove the safety of and test their supplement before releasing it. But of course the supplement industry hated that so their lobbiests gave em a bunch of money to shoot that down and proposed a different bill, the ``Dietary Supplement and
Nonprescription Drug Consumer Protection Act'' which basically makes it so you as a consumer, after you take some misrepresented toxic ass shit get to report it to the FDA, but guess what? They don't even investigate unless somebody experiences serious physical injuries or dies from a supplement.
Ive seen figures of everywhere from a quarter to 51% of supplements being contaminated with pharmaceuticals and even higher rates of bacteria and mold
 
Psynaught said:
Thanks for the post and the warning. Yes, 7O is super addictive. I take it once, maybe twice a week. I keep it to 20 mgs or so, just enough to feel a little better. I have been keeping my Kratom under 3 grams a day.
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How can you get through with 3 g/day and then 20 mg of 7 only make it a bit better!?! Wow what kind of diluted stuff is that then?
Meanwhile I can add a few more notes to this: pure 7oh can be found in Kratom and thus it can be calculated to compare (say 14 mg/kg). But the main active component in Kratom seems to be Mitragynin, which is processed into 7 oh in the liver, rather than the 7oh, that's directly found. Adding that, (say 10 g/kg = 10 mg/g), so that would make the 7oh part insignificantly small. Did I calculate correctly so far? Imagining the Mit becoming the same weight of 7 oh ( which is illusory but just to estimate), that would mean it should be sth like 10 mg 7 oh = ~ 1 g Kratom. Realistically it's more than a single Gramm though.
Since I had the chance to get a somewhat enhanced extract with a mix of 7oh and Mit, from my own experience I can tell there's first of all a way faster and sharper effect ( logical, since less processing time), and second a way harder crash later. So though I don't even have pure 7, there's absolutely the urge to redose, and a fast increase in tolerance - ime rather quicker than even H. So this stuff is the devil fr...🙄. I was ok with 12 g Kratom /day and just using ~ 20 mg 7/day for a week leaves me in WD after taking 3-4 g in the morning... A madly fast spoil fr. Definitely on par with H, and even way more convenient to use...
 
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10mg =1g kratom ? 10mg is fcking strong I don’t know what are y guys taking but 10mg is definitely a lot stronger let’s say 20g kratom minimum.
 
cnnka said:
10mg =1g kratom ? 10mg is fcking strong I don’t know what are y guys taking but 10mg is definitely a lot stronger let’s say 20g kratom minimum.
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That was just a theoretical calculation. It's obviously more potent than that. The figures I used are real though - look it up in any Kratom lab analysis. Or did I miscalculate somewhere? The thing is likely how much of the Mitragynin is actually converted into 7oh 🤷
Edit: I disagree with the 10 mg > 20 g Kratom though. It's just that you get the effect all at once, while there's a limit to how much Kratom we can even process
 
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Psynaught said:
Thanks for the post and the warning. Yes, 7O is super addictive. I take it once, maybe twice a week. I keep it to 20 mgs or so, just enough to feel a little better. I have been keeping my Kratom under 3 grams a day.
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I'm not sure what answers your hoping to gain from your op but your taking kratom and kratom extract almost every day but seem to have a handle on it
Why not stop both ,if all you experience is a runny nose then happy days
You said it was easier to withdraw from coffee ,I'm a heavy caffeine consumer but I can take it or leave it .
 
Mushoku_Sensei said:
I fear the same. Our government is way too easily banning whatever as long as it has no lobby
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Yeh ,just a matter of time
Once the media go full scale politicians will have to act
Similar to the spice situation in UK 10 years ago
At least we will always have the most lethal drug at our finger tips 24/7
 
It makes me laugh when idiots describe cannabis as a gateway drug lol
The drug to open your eyes to all other drugs is alcohol
It lowers your inhibition to the point your up for anything
If your that way inclined that is
 
lost weekend said:
It makes me laugh when idiots describe cannabis as a gateway drug lol
The drug to open your eyes to all other drugs is alcohol
It lowers your inhibition to the point your up for anything
If your that way inclined that is
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I mean whatever drug you try first any substance that change your perspective of reality that’s a gateway drug, For me personally it was alcohol I would be like if alcohol does that to you then what weed does ? What mdma does ? And so on
 
I'm on my 3rd day of withdrawal off approx 24mg/day, which is not a whole lot, of 7-oh and it is pretty unpleasant, fucking with my head hard. I took a week off work to do it, work would not be possible right now. I hope I'm good by next Monday, withdrawal is usually not this bad.
 
thurston said:
I'm on my 3rd day of withdrawal off approx 24mg/day, which is not a whole lot, of 7-oh and it is pretty unpleasant, fucking with my head hard. I took a week off work to do it, work would not be possible right now. I hope I'm good by next Monday, withdrawal is usually not this bad.
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How it is ?
 
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