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  • BDD Moderators: Keif’ Richards

Safer/healthier, Ritalin (methylphenidate) or Valium?

Valium will make you mildly retarded and it's one of the substances that can kill you through withdrawal.
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It never ceases to amaze me how different people's subjective experience of different benzos is. I mean it's quite normal for people to have different reactions to the same medication/substance, but benzos really seem to bring out the most wildly different takes. In my case, I would say that clonazepam (Klonopin) is one of the benzos that makes me feel "slightly retarded" while diazepam (Valium) is one of the smoothest, most forgiving benzos of the whole bunch.

Also, I assume you meant that all benzodiazepines can kill you through withdrawal rather than just diazepam.

Personally, I have found clonazepam and lorazepam two of the most unpredictable and easy to blackout on benzos. I don;t know what it is about lorazepam (Ativan) especially, but it fucks me up: balance goes out the window, can have blackouts (or at least memory gaps) even just on a 'normal' single pill dosage (of 2.5mg), and I find that it comes back the next day (for an encore haha) and leaves me virtually nodding out for an hour or two. Other benzos I can tolerate quite normally, even at slightly above standard therapeutic doses (e.g. alprazolam at 4mg is fine, etizolam at 4-6mg is fine, and diazepam at 3o-40mg is fine) but just 2mg of loraz is very unpredictable and can have me literally falling over spontaneously and forgetting what the hell I did the evening before.
 
Halif2 said:
It never ceases to amaze me how different people's subjective experience of different benzos is. I mean it's quite normal for people to have different reactions to the same medication/substance, but benzos really seem to bring out the most wildly different takes. In my case, I would say that clonazepam (Klonopin) is one of the benzos that makes me feel "slightly retarded" while diazepam (Valium) is one of the smoothest, most forgiving benzos of the whole bunch.
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Thing with benzos is that you dont really notice how stupid/weird they make you, i remember when i got a ativan script i would have ideas (that seemed fully normal and rational) like taking stray kittens with me to go eat at McDonald (i never ever go to McDonald normally), or one time my friend thought he had locked his keys in his car so he broke the window to get in only to then realise it was'nt his car and his keys were in his pocket (valium).

Halif2 said:
Also, I assume you meant that all benzodiazepines can kill you through withdrawal rather than just diazepam.
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Yeah
Halif2 said:
Personally, I have found clonazepam and lorazepam two of the most unpredictable and easy to blackout on benzos. I don;t know what it is about lorazepam (Ativan) especially, but it fucks me up: balance goes out the window, can have blackouts (or at least memory gaps) even just on a 'normal' single pill dosage (of 2.5mg), and I find that it comes back the next day (for an encore haha) and leaves me virtually nodding out for an hour or two.
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Yeah Ativan is the worst for blackouts since you allmost feel so sober on them, it's really easy to overdo because you dont feel em enough.
 
one time my friend thought he had locked his keys in his car so he broke the window to get in only to then realise it was'nt his car and his keys were in his pocket (valium).
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:ROFLMAO:

Jesus... I thought I was bad just stumbling around like an idiot, but that's amazing! Poor guy (both your friend and the owner of the car)!
 
lost weekend said:
The honeymoon with diazapam doesn't last long
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By itself very true. Honestly benzos are not really much of a "buzz" drug. Even Versed. After they give it to me at the hospital I always ask ,"When are you going to give me the Versed?"

Valium works well with Oxycodone, Methadone, Clonidine, Lunesta and I can remember what happened.
 
N0ph0n0 said:
Yeah Ativan is the worst for blackouts since you allmost feel so sober on them, it's really easy to overdo because you dont feel em enough
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100% facts. with opioids the fine line is thinner.

Valium is my jam now.
 
My pick would be Methylphenidate, more benign in the sense of adaptions. It still is nasty if you use Methylphenidate for a while but nothing unbearable.

I used 100mg a Day for a month or two. I took a break for around a month, the only consequence was the 3 days of binge eating, and restlessness (but just my ADHD coming out to play)

Just my opinion, but Benzos should be left in the toolbox for only the most dire of emergencies.
 
10 mg up from my normal 5 mg this evening.

I just get so damn exhausted later in the day. I can get through the first half with two to three coffee's, but then around 4 to 5 pm, I can't continue to have caffeine that late.

A half or full pill of ritalin is like chicken soup for my soul.

Then a couple codeine/acetaminophen tablets later.

I figure it's still better than using meth combo'd with benzo's.
 
JohnBoy2000 said:
10 mg up from my normal 5 mg this evening.

I just get so damn exhausted later in the day. I can get through the first half with two to three coffee's, but then around 4 to 5 pm, I can't continue to have caffeine that late.

A half or full pill of ritalin is like chicken soup for my soul.

Then a couple codeine/acetaminophen tablets later.

I figure it's still better than using meth combo'd with benzo's
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My bro likes taking a few codeine/APAP with his methylphenidate SR. I havent tried it yet with morphine because im out of zopiclone and dont want to take it without something to sleep

Ritalin is way way safer then meth. 10mg's of ritalin is hardly going to hurt anyone. By all means if ritalin helps you stay off the meth take it
 
JohnBoy2000 said:
What's your dose and dosing time?

Once or twice a week, at which doses?
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I find 64mg of Methylphenidate once a week (10mg IR with a 54mg ER 3 hours later) and maximum 240mg (split across 2 doses I find best )codeine in a 24 hr period again once a week..

Is the only way to have either drug remain useful and have positive effects.

(2-3 times a week can work with extensive tolerance agents like TL4 blockers and Agmatine but isn’t worth imo as it pushes the boundary to easily)

Any more frequently grows tolerance, which for opioids is bad. Any signs of tolerance should be followed with long periods of abstinence.
 
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BadBoy377 said:
They're one of the least toxic drugs. But man they'll fuck you up if you get silly with them.
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They are sneaky, unforgiving, hypnotic, and our instrument panel does not have a "warning light or dosage limit alert." Being on too much Benzo and opioid is like "feeling the wheel but cannot steer." The same applies to taking too much Benzo or Barbiturate. blackouts with amnesia is sure to follow.

I have found it best to ignore & immediately do something beneficial when the voices state, "You're not feeling the full affect that was desired" and/or "You're feeling pretty good & a couple more will take You there." 🥴 😴
 
Judging by your initial post, it seems like you have some experience. I´m guessing you know that these two are not really comparable in an apples to apples sense. As always, we have to do our best to look to the future when we make these decisions. I call it ¨playing the tape all the way through¨. I can tell you that a relatively small dosage of Diazepam (Valium) or any other Benzodiazepine of equipotent potency, is harmless so long as neither the dosage nor frequency are increased. The problem is that this is how everyone starts with Benzodiazepines. They work great, have seemingly no drawbacks and you only require a clinically normal dosage to get the desired effects.

If you ask what the danger is with using Diazepam, it´s that Benzodiazepines are playing with fire. Nobody expects to become addicted. You have to look at the philosophy behind these decisions. If you can decide to use a Benzodiazepine once, twice, three times knowing how potentially harmful they can be; how subtly addictive they are, then you already have the decision-making process in your mind that could eventually lead to addiction. The addiction is just a chasing of the very same feeling you have right now. It just takes so much more from you to keep that feeling of 10mg Diazepam as time goes on.

It sounds like you have a bit of a negative history with stimulants. I´ve never been fully addicted to stimulants. I only know what I´ve read and base my opinions off my own acute experiences with stimulants. It seems like people who have severely binged and withdrawn from Methamphetamine are not great candidates for using stimulants in the future. Your tolerance drops back to relative zero over time, but once you taste the effects of that dopamine when the stimulant hits your brain, you instantly start thinking about how high you would get when you would inject Meth or what have you.

The best answer I can give is, if you´re going to use anything, I would go for the Diazepam, but only if you can keep it to a very strict schedule. If you can´t do that, you need to get off that train immediately. If you really feel like Benzodiazepines benefit your life, then consider entrusting your supply and dosing to a friend or loved one you can trust. This is a far-too underutilized method of control. I´ve had great success with trusting some of this stuff to people I loved. These are just some basic riffs on your question. I´m happy to continue the discussion.
 
Keif' Richards said:
then you already have the decision-making process in your mind that could eventually lead to addiction. The addiction is just a chasing of the very same feeling you have right now. It just takes so much more from you to keep that feeling of 10mg Diazepam as time goes on.
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Right as rain.

The brain is like a computer that never really turns off. We design the program our brain has. The mesolimbic pathway can be the old saying : "If you masturbate too much, you will go blind."
Blind meaning -- instead of chasing non-drug activities, not chasing sex with others, our brain's program has been altered in some way.

The brain's reward system is primarily called the mesolimbic dopamine system or mesolimbic pathway. This neural network connects the ventral tegmental area (VTA) and the nucleus accumbens (NAc), facilitating motivation, pleasure, and reinforcing behaviors via dopamine release.
 
KurtAurelius said:
I find 64mg of Methylphenidate once a week (10mg IR with a 54mg ER 3 hours later) and maximum 240mg (split across 2 doses I find best )codeine in a 24 hr period again once a week..

Is the only way to have either drug remain useful and have positive effects.

(2-3 times a week can work with extensive tolerance agents like TL4 blockers and Agmatine but isn’t worth imo as it pushes the boundary to easily)

Any more frequently grows tolerance, which for opioids is bad. Any signs of tolerance should be followed with long periods of abstinence.
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I'm actually finding it necessary to dose on Friday and Saturday evening.

That kind of "fixes" me for the week. I tend to feel like crap on Sunday, then fine by Monday and can make it through to the next Friday.

But by Thursday it's like my CNS is screaming "give me dopamine now or we're going to have a problem!!"

If this gets me through though, as another commenter mentioned, it's got to be better than meth.

There was a time I actually believe I could microdose meth occasionally and integrate it into part of my normal life.

Still wish that was possible, that stuff is insanely pleasurable.
 
Is there actually a problem with meth? It's not lot the stuff is literal poison. The dose makes the poison doesn't it. More the user makes the issues. If you're gonna compulsively redose and not eat or sleep your going to end out a sick tweaked out mess. If you were taking desoxyn once a day nobody would bat an eyelid, right?

Just playing Devil's Advocate here.
 
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