Miscellaneous RCs vs Shrooms: 4-AcO-DMT, 1P-LSD, 2C-B-FLY, 3-MMC — where do you draw the line?

[GunterHofmann]

Been thinking about this a lot lately and I’m curious how people here actually see it, especially the ones who’ve spent real time around both mushrooms and research chemicals. I notice that when people talk about shrooms, there’s usually a lot more respect in the discussion: dose, mindset, setting, intention, after-effects, all of that. But once the conversation shifts to RCs like 4-AcO-DMT, 1P-LSD, AL-LAD, 2C-B-FLY, or even stimulant-side stuff like 3-MMC, 4-MMC, NEP or alpha-PVP, the tone online often changes fast. More comparison, more confidence, more “this feels like X,” but not always the same caution. That’s weird to me, because the uncertainty is usually much higher with RCs, not lower.


What I keep coming back to is that mushrooms may be intense, difficult, beautiful, or messy, but at least there’s a long history of people trying to understand what they do. With RCs, a lot of the conversation still seems built on fragments: a few reports, some Reddit posts, vendor descriptions, and people assuming similar names mean similar effects or similar safety. In reality, 4-AcO-DMT is not the same thing as shrooms, 1P-LSD is not automatically “just LSD” in every meaningful sense, and stimulant RCs like 3-MMC or NEP can pull people into compulsive redosing in a way that forum discussions sometimes downplay. Same with duration, body load, anxiety, vasoconstriction, heart strain, confusion, or just plain unpredictability from one batch to another. I’m not saying “natural good, synthetic bad” because that’s way too simplistic. I’m saying the mindset people bring to mushrooms — respect, patience, humility — probably belongs in RC discussions even more.


So I’m genuinely curious: for the people here who’ve explored both worlds, do you think the culture around shrooms produces better habits than the culture around RCs? Which compounds do you think get misunderstood the most — 4-AcO-DMT, 1P-LSD, AL-LAD, 2C-B-FLY, 3-MMC, NEP, something else? And do you think forums are helping people stay grounded, or just making it easier for people to feel informed when they’re actually standing on very shaky ground?

 

[Ismene2]

4-aco-dmt is the BEST way of taking DMT orally without throwing up. In fact I think 4aco is a BETTER drug than DMT because you can experience much more physical euphoria without nausea. When you push the dose to 200-300mg there's no comparison to it. It takes you to the deepest part of yourself, you can dance for hours, it is sheer magic. It blows shrooms and DMT out of the water.

* I'm NOT talking about the shit synthesis grey 4-aco-dmt you get in the UK for the last 5 years - that stuff is absolute fucking garbage. If you push the dose you're just laid on the couch too scared to move in case you vomit. REAL 4aco should be white or at the very least tan.

 

[xdrc]

First of all, I don't think it is useful to put stimulants into this discussion about psychedelics. Stimulants tend to excess and hedonism inherently, whether it be the "classics" like cocaine, amphetamine or methamphetamine or cathinones like 3-MMC or NEP.

Comparing RC psychedelics and mushrooms, I think there may be a difference in users. Many people who indulge in RC psychedelics are polydrug users who may have different goals than people seeking out mushrooms specifically. Also the popular RC psychedelics tend to be the ones said to be colourful and easy (e.g. 4-HO-MET, 2C-B, 5-MeO-MiPT) rather than deep and spiritual. And that's fine.

I agree that people should be a little more apprehensive of what they put in their bodies. Pure intentions, pure body, pure substance. That is the important trinity with psychedelics in my opinion.

Personally I use RC psychedelics because I'm drawn to the effect profiles of psychedelic phenethylamines. LSD and mushroom are very intense for me and extremely spiritual. So much that it is too much. Now you may say that is the point - but I'll say I'm pretty happy with what phenethylamines teach me, and I respect them a lot (and the instances where I did not, they bit back too!).

Different people react in all sorts of various manners to these compounds, and who am I to judge which kind of use is right?

 

[Crash_ing]

I always preferred 4-ACO-DMT, much more straightforward. For me the shrooms experience seemed too bizarre and unpredictable.

 

[Esperighanto]

So I’m genuinely curious: for the people here who’ve explored both worlds, do you think the culture around shrooms produces better habits than the culture around RCs? Which compounds do you think get misunderstood the most — 4-AcO-DMT, 1P-LSD, AL-LAD, 2C-B-FLY, 3-MMC, NEP, something else? And do you think forums are helping people stay grounded, or just making it easier for people to feel informed when they’re actually standing on very shaky ground?

I've used many tens of psychedelic research chemicals, many tens of stimulant RCs, and every "classic" drug to exist that I can reasonably think of.

Peoples' general anxieties surrounding drug use are almost always born from a place of ignorance on the subject, and there's no way for us to prove (yet) that 4-AcO-DMT is meaningfully experientially different from psilocin, or 1P-LSD is different from LSD. We know for a fact that AL-LAD is different from LSD, 2C-B-FLY from 2C-B, etc., but some of these things believed to simply be pro-drugs, we're still researching enough in the academic space to come to conclusions. I think that all psychedelic use is "on very shaky ground" as you said, given that they're simply non-specific amplifiers of the subconscious. As far as what gets misunderstood the most, I'd say it's the things that get demonized the most. 25C-NBOMe is one of the most beautiful and transformative psychedelics I've ever experienced, and NEP has been one of the most impactful empathogens I've ever experienced. People will think of NBOMe and cathinone compounds as trash because they'll believe a reddit post about how it's "so terrible", when in reality what they're reading is that some addict couldn't meaningfully interact with a pleasurable compound without their addictivity popping in to ruin things.

The culture around mushrooms generally makes me cringe and wish I was uninvolved from the psychedelic scene in general, if you want the truth. Same with ayahuasca. All this "I only do 'sacred plant medicine'" nonsense makes me want to beat my own scrotum off like it's a goddamn speedbag dude. There is a degree of internalized chemophobia that motivates people to overlook the possibility that DOM is a profound psychedelic in favor of something as garbage as mushrooms. I used to cultivate mushrooms, and I've worked in the realm of synthetic psychedelics quite a bit too, mushrooms are a profoundly imperfect thing that can barely ever be properly predicted or forecast. and their somatic side effects are terrible. They also have a proclivity to launch people into shitty trips, relative to LSD, 2C-B or miprocin which are all far more prone to inducing a pleasant experience.

 

[Chaurus]

Where do I draw the line?

Well, underneath my nose!

Last was DPT. That was kind of funny to be high on during our week-long gay cruise-bar crawl in Amsterdam.

I don't think people misunderstand RC's, although they certainly might underestimate the long term damage.

I'm happy I could purchase so many RC's so cheaply and experiment at my measure with them.

However, even at the best of times, the quality was quite uneven per batch.

Of course, that's over now, all important RC's have been banned now, but the possibility to purchase them legally made possible a personal drug renaissance of sorts for me.

 

[Cream Gravy?]

The “respect” for mushrooms comes from their absolute uncertain effects as said by prior posts.

I’ve used 4-Aco-DMT maybe… dunno, 300+ times in the past five years? I have far more confidence in it producing a predictable experience than mushies. I too have cultivated mushrooms and I very much enjoyed the process but the things (reasonably so, I feel) scared the living hell out of me at times.

I much prefer being able to know (almost) exactly what I’m getting into with dosing and general effects.

 

[Bitchniggaz]

I always preferred 4-ACO-DMT, much more straightforward. For me the shrooms experience seemed too bizarre and unpredictable.

Agreed, but the not knowing is half the fun with natural psychedelics.
If i eat 50mg 4-Aco-DMT i know exactly how its gonna hit me.
5grams of shrooms is harder to predict, could be very visual or just a emotional ride.

 

[Bitchniggaz]

Where do I draw the line?

Well, underneath my nose!

Last was DPT. That was kind of funny to be high on during our week-long gay cruise-bar crawl in Amsterdam.

I don't think people misunderstand RC's, although they certainly might underestimate the long term damage.

I'm happy I could purchase so many RC's so cheaply and experiment at my measure with them.

However, even at the best of times, the quality was quite uneven per batch.

Of course, that's over now, all important RC's have been banned now, but the possibility to purchase them legally made possible a personal drug renaissance of sorts for me.

DPT is some crazy stuff.

 

[Esperighanto]

5grams of shrooms is harder to predict, could be very visual or just a emotional ride.

I would argue that phenohunting, locking down consistent growing/drying/possibly also extraction conditions, and then properly isolating and repeating genetics leads to a rather consistent pull from mushrooms, but even after homogenizing the 4-6oz yield per large monotub, you'll still have some noticeable degree of batch variance, just not a ton. Reminds me of how cannabis will still vary batch to batch, just not enormously.

 

[Chaurus]

The “respect” for mushrooms comes from their absolute uncertain effects as said by prior posts.

I’ve used 4-Aco-DMT maybe… dunno, 300+ times in the past five years? I have far more confidence in it producing a predictable experience than mushies. I too have cultivated mushrooms and I very much e joyed the process but the things (reasonably so, I feel) scared the living hell out of me at times.

I much prefer being able to know (almost) exactly what I’m getting into with dosing and general effects.

I've not eaten actual shrooms in a long time as the sale of actual shrooms has been banned in The Netherlands since December 1st 2008.

Truffles -however- are not banned and still readily sold, but those who have experienced both hold that the shrooms were better.

I've experienced similar things on truffles as I have on shrooms, but the shrooms were are far more extreme experience.

I would grow them again, if I had any possibility to do so undetected, however I live with my mother, and although she knows about my prior experimentation with shrooms, I do not want to continue under her roof.

I can just semi-get away with some stims and benzos and light dissos. The rest I take when I am not here.

 

[fuckabout89]

Been thinking about this a lot lately and I’m curious how people here actually see it, especially the ones who’ve spent real time around both mushrooms and research chemicals. I notice that when people talk about shrooms, there’s usually a lot more respect in the discussion: dose, mindset, setting, intention, after-effects, all of that. But once the conversation shifts to RCs like 4-AcO-DMT, 1P-LSD, AL-LAD, 2C-B-FLY, or even stimulant-side stuff like 3-MMC, 4-MMC, NEP or alpha-PVP, the tone online often changes fast. More comparison, more confidence, more “this feels like X,” but not always the same caution. That’s weird to me, because the uncertainty is usually much higher with RCs, not lower.


What I keep coming back to is that mushrooms may be intense, difficult, beautiful, or messy, but at least there’s a long history of people trying to understand what they do. With RCs, a lot of the conversation still seems built on fragments: a few reports, some Reddit posts, vendor descriptions, and people assuming similar names mean similar effects or similar safety. In reality, 4-AcO-DMT is not the same thing as shrooms, 1P-LSD is not automatically “just LSD” in every meaningful sense, and stimulant RCs like 3-MMC or NEP can pull people into compulsive redosing in a way that forum discussions sometimes downplay. Same with duration, body load, anxiety, vasoconstriction, heart strain, confusion, or just plain unpredictability from one batch to another. I’m not saying “natural good, synthetic bad” because that’s way too simplistic. I’m saying the mindset people bring to mushrooms — respect, patience, humility — probably belongs in RC discussions even more.


So I’m genuinely curious: for the people here who’ve explored both worlds, do you think the culture around shrooms produces better habits than the culture around RCs? Which compounds do you think get misunderstood the most — 4-AcO-DMT, 1P-LSD, AL-LAD, 2C-B-FLY, 3-MMC, NEP, something else? And do you think forums are helping people stay grounded, or just making it easier for people to feel informed when they’re actually standing on very shaky ground?

Were do you draw the line lol? There is no fucking line.

 

[Chaurus]

Were do you draw the line lol? There is no fucking line.

A flatline...

Bleeep!