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placebonaut

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I've been an alcoholic for 30+ years, dabbled in drugs when I was younger and have recently returned to taking them in an effort to cut my drinking down, while this is working it's simply shifting the problem.

Exercise has many positive benefits but a major 1 I've often found is when I'm exercising more I simple use less, I just don't feel the need to get high as much. Getting to the point where I'm enjoying exercise is the hardest part, I've been taking baby steps here in the right direction for the past few months 1. drink less 2. walk more.

I'm at a point now where I need to move onto step 3 and increase my exercising coupled with reducing drug use.

From experience this is the hardest bit, the motivation to push yourself over the tipping edge from being lazy to actively making time to exercise, once you're over that hump the exercising itself starts to become the endorphin reward.

I want to do the couch to 5k plan, but right now I need tips and advice for how to make the transition away from the sofa!

any ideas or suggestions? what's worked for you?
 
I've been an alcoholic for 30+ years, dabbled in drugs when I was younger and have recently returned to taking them in an effort to cut my drinking down, while this is working it's simply shifting the problem.

Exercise has many positive benefits but a major 1 I've often found is when I'm exercising more I simple use less, I just don't feel the need to get high as much. Getting to the point where I'm enjoying exercise is the hardest part, I've been taking baby steps here in the right direction for the past few months 1. drink less 2. walk more.

I'm at a point now where I need to move onto step 3 and increase my exercising coupled with reducing drug use.

From experience this is the hardest bit, the motivation to push yourself over the tipping edge from being lazy to actively making time to exercise, once you're over that hump the exercising itself starts to become the endorphin reward.

I want to do the couch to 5k plan, but right now I need tips and advice for how to make the transition away from the sofa!

any ideas or suggestions? what's worked for you?
I happen to have no trouble enjoying aerobic exercise so maybe I'm not the person to ask. I do know I have to push past a certain point to feel that exercise euphoria, though., so you have to stick with it . Also, it's good to do things you like. I enjoy being in nature, so hiking is an easy go-to for me. Biking, on the other hand, gives a bit of an adrenaline rush because I'm going fast, so that's an appeal ( along with being outdoors). Running, meh, just hurts my body. Anything on indoor equipment is boring for me. But that's me.
Other ideas: combine it with other activities you enjoy, like going on a social walk or bike ride or whatever with a friend or family member. A camping trip. Or a sport you like. Walk to the grocery store, if it's close enough and walk back carrying the weight ( use a backpack).
I will say, drugs and alcohol ruin my motivation to exercise, so save it for after. But I do very much enjoy a beer after I've done most of my hiking. I'll drink it at a nice view point, relax in the sun ( or fog 😬), then finish my hike.
Good luck! Recognizing the pleasure in exercise is the biggest step.
 
Do you like music ?

Combine with music would be my top tip. Maybe make a special training mix? Then add to it modify etc.




And it's all an uphill run
You know it ain't much fun
You know we're all the same
Turn you round again, again

JUST FUCKING DO IT!

Stay strong, stay positive. Sounds like you're making good progress. Stick at it!

BB
 
What opportunity are there around nature btw sound ultimate. Stopped 6 month s ago and it seems ages. Like a faint memory. Maybe that is a the lazy mechanisme

Met a old guy that took a swim in the Winter. That takes training. Young girl that ran marathons on a bottle of wine. No idea how you measure fitness level but a bit of being in touch. But the observation when you sport not only you cant drink. It also seemed to take away the need.

Stopping training 6 months ago because stress/ insomnia. Started drinking way over the advised limit s. Oh fuck and this thread reminded me, it worked very well i remember.

But get a feel of i always measure .. pushups and .. km/ mile run. Including a warm up cool down. Stay well hydrated, Alcohol does the o posit which can lead to next day muscle cramp. Maybe check on mineral s vitamin s. B1 being notorious. Creatine also feel s very beneficial ime.
 
I enjoy being in nature, so hiking is an easy go-to for me.
I do like being out in nature, that in itself has beneficial positive effects on mental health as well
Other ideas: combine it with other activities you enjoy, like going on a social walk or bike ride or whatever with a friend or family member. A camping trip. Or a sport you like. Walk to the grocery store, if it's close enough and walk back carrying the weight ( use a backpack).
walking with family is something I'm already doing, but limited options beyond that, at least it's a start though. We're a bit remote here so not really an option to walk to the shops, the nearest thing is a pub, so not the best place to walk to for me!
I will say, drugs and alcohol ruin my motivation to exercise, so save it for after. But I do very much enjoy a beer after I've done most of my hiking. I'll drink it at a nice view point, relax in the sun ( or fog 😬), then finish my hike.
Good luck! Recognizing the pleasure in exercise is the biggest step.
a reward afterwards is a good idea, it's really good to stop off somewhere for a nice pint with a view once you've worked hard and earned it, especially on a lovely day.

maybe the change in weather will help me get out more, I started walking again in the depths of winter, certainly feeling to call to get out more now it's warming up a bit and raining less


Do you like music ?

Combine with music would be my top tip. Maybe make a special training mix? Then add to it modify etc.

Stay strong, stay positive. Sounds like you're making good progress. Stick at it!
Not a fan of music while I walk/run/cycle though, I like the peace and natural sounds, which is odd because I'm quite obsessive about music.

thanks for the words of encouragement!
But get a feel of i always measure .. pushups and .. km/ mile run. Including a warm up cool down. Stay well hydrated, Alcohol does the o posit which can lead to next day muscle cramp. Maybe check on mineral s vitamin s. B1 being notorious. Creatine also feel s very beneficial ime.
Alcohol is a real killer for exercise motivation, just leaves you very tired the next day (my sleep suffers badly when I drink).

Will have a look into vitamins, that's a good idea, just taking vit D right now. Starting to look at nootrpics and other supplements as well, and also eating better too. Part of a life style change that I badly need!

I just need that motivation to turn a short walk twice a week into something more substantial, it's like a brick wall stopping me!
 
Just a little thought, from experience: do you actually ENJOY exercising -?
Is it something you would want to take up anyway, or is your only motivation to somehow 'swap' one for the other?

Because I can tell you, anything you do as a 'distraction' and not for any other reason is NOT gonna motivate you for long. That's like forcing yourself to eat salad while constantly dreaming of stuffing your face with cheeseburgers. Sooner or later you're gonna say 'fuck it' and order the entire metaphorical menu.

Denying yourself something you do want to do on order to do something you DON'T want to do is not how long-term motivation works. I never ever stuck to anything I tried 'instead-of-dope'.

Nothing is going to 'replace' drug use because it's a case of apples and oranges. So don't think of it in those terms. Think of it in terms of 'what might I RATHER want to be doing than consume xyz'. And if that isn't sports, find something else you think you would really find rewarding IN AND OF ITSELF.
 
Just a little thought, from experience: do you actually ENJOY exercising -?
Is it something you would want to take up anyway, or is your only motivation to somehow 'swap' one for the other?

Because I can tell you, anything you do as a 'distraction' and not for any other reason is NOT gonna motivate you for long. That's like forcing yourself to eat salad while constantly dreaming of stuffing your face with cheeseburgers. Sooner or later you're gonna say 'fuck it' and order the entire metaphorical menu.

Denying yourself something you do want to do on order to do something you DON'T want to do is not how long-term motivation works. I never ever stuck to anything I tried 'instead-of-dope'.

Nothing is going to 'replace' drug use because it's a case of apples and oranges. So don't think of it in those terms. Think of it in terms of 'what might I RATHER want to be doing than consume xyz'. And if that isn't sports, find something else you think you would really find rewarding IN AND OF ITSELF.
very good point and I completely get what you mean.

I do enjoy exercise, though it takes a bit of work and a couple of months to get there, but when I do then I get a lot of reward from it and naturally it seems to create a feedback loop where I drink/use less and eat healthier.

it's just those first few months of grind that are tough.

anyway, off out again today on a longer walk, baby steps but I'm picking up the frequency
 
Baby steps is the way to go, in my opinion!

And try to be very observant about what you do like and don't like about it, whether that's location, time of day, speed, weather - and make sure you do the things that you enjoy more and the things that seem uncomfortable less, is my opinion.

Sometimes pushing through things that are uncomfortable can be rewarding, like studying for a test or finishing a project, but with exercise it is ongoing so if you want to stay committed to it it's probably best to really try hard to figure out what works for you personally.
 
I think walking beats all other exercise as it is low intensity, you can choose your tv screen (nature) or put your music on.

You can increase pace, distance, and choose the screen you watch while you walk.

It can include ticking of chores.

Walking and talking is best, it gives the body the freedom while you and whoever you are with can talk freely without it being so awkward.

Walking promotes so much blood flow, digestion, good for sleep, and will keep you fit and mobile.

I say let yourself get restless and when you want something go for a walk.

I do the same with stretching too. We are all getting older and we are way too tense and stress. I say fuck learning how to do it properly and just explore your own body and find what works. But I am funny with learning things, I want to do it my way so bear that in mind.

If you have a garden, it’s a shortcut for lifting weights. Whenever you get bored, use dumbells or barbells and do low weight exercises with “robot form”

Combine with mindfulness and you can really get yourself going, feeling your muscles stretch and balloon. Endorphins are a must from doing it with some presence.
Focus on it, and let yourself squeeze. It does feel really good. And when I get all flabbergasted and don’t know what to do.

I grab just a 7.5kg barbell, or 5kg per hand db and will do

standing ohp
Bent over row

Alternate curls
Overhead extensions

Zombie squats (or front squats)
Goodmornings.

Like I said, focus, really feel the joint your moving and letting the muscle move. It feels amazing.

Everday I can go out to the garden and do it, the first time I’ll get a feeling that is like 60mg of codeine. If I go do my fullbody at the gym with non stop antagonistic super sets to failure it feels like 120mg codeine.

Hope it helps, activities are merely drugs in my opinion but that’s a topic for another day.
 
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very good point and I completely get what you mean.

I do enjoy exercise, though it takes a bit of work and a couple of months to get there, but when I do then I get a lot of reward from it and naturally it seems to create a feedback loop where I drink/use less and eat healthier.

it's just those first few months of grind that are tough.

anyway, off out again today on a longer walk, baby steps but I'm picking up the frequency
That's the way to do it!
Find out what you like and enjoy.


PS also maybe don't get yourself subscribed to the myth that once you've ever been addicted to / had a problem with whatever substance, that you can NEVER use and enjoy it responsibly again. This is simply not true.

I personally know many people who have moderated their use instead of giving it up outright, and doing so SUCCESSFULLY.
I myself am one of them, and have been for longer now than I was addicted.

I would never have thought that possible when the only narrative that was shoved down my throat was a stark choice between either 'total self-imposed abstinence of which you are going to hate every second, and that's going to be the rest of your life, but you will just have to suck it up because that is the price of addiction' vs. 'recklessly indulge and give up and consign your life to using because that's all you are ever going to make of yourself, you worthless piece of shit'.

... I said 'FUCK THAT' and chose neither.


Consider moderating a real possibility if you feel stuck. Getting out of addiction can be adaptation. It doesn't HAVE to be a zero-sum game where everything you are is suddenly on the line and every single desire and choice is automatically pathologised.

I was told flat out that 'NOBODY moderates heroin'; or at any rate nobody who ever was genuinely addicted. When the fact of the matter was that being told it was either give it up forever or NOTHING that had me 'failing' over and over, while doubting myself and my capacities.

Simple truth was, I still wanted heroin since I enjoyed heroin, but I also wanted to stop the destructive junkie lifestyle, stop being physically dependent, and stop wasting opportunities.

NOBODY and nothing was there to help me navigate that middle ground.
It was either 'be abstinent while feeling virtuous' OR 'well then just resign yourself to being a filthy low-life with appetites you can't control'.

That was a NON-CHOICE to me. And here I am, not 'clean', but no longer an addict. I have my life in hand to the best of my satisfaction and ability.
 
I accept that swap.

Whenever you want I will allow you to exercise in exchange for drugs!

FR - my best advice is try not to do too much at once. Start with a half hour a day or 15 minutes and work upwards from there. I was working out almost 2 hours a day on probation --- Boredom and misguided hope it would flush my system quicker.

I will say I was stronger and felt --- not better forsure, but had more energy. Hypothetically I was taking like 50mg c-lam a day too so energy was surprising lol
 
Baby steps is the way to go, in my opinion!
yes this seems to be working for me, I started with a short walk - 15 mins twice a week, then added in walking up and down 5 flights of stairs at work. now I'm out walking a couple more days a week
Walking and talking is best, it gives the body the freedom while you and whoever you are with can talk freely without it being so awkward.

II grab just a 7.5kg barbell, or 5kg per hand db and will do
I already have barbells and actually quite like using them, a quick 5-10 mins each day is pretty easy to get into the habit of doing, think I'll pick them back up again
That's the way to do it!
back now from a walk, really enjoyed it!
I personally know many people who have moderated their use instead of giving it up outright, and doing so SUCCESSFULLY.
I myself am one of them, and have been for longer now than I was addicted.
I very much aim for this, don't want to give up, but don't want things to get worse.

FR - my best advice is try not to do too much at once. Start with a half hour a day or 15 minutes and work upwards from there.
I think getting this into a daily habit going to be key, when I've been exercising regularly in the past it's been 4 runs and mini strength workouts, it seems to self perpetuate when I get there.
 
Speaking from experience, after gall bladder removal and other life changing events my ability to endure long walks or extended standing periods have greatly decreased compared to before surgery etc. I have virtually zero stamina or leg strength now by comparison. I try to walk as often as I can but in terms of longevity I have not been. able to accomplish that yet. Once it's gone, it's gone
 
I think getting this into a daily habit going to be key, when I've been exercising regularly in the past it's been 4 runs and mini strength workouts, it seems to self perpetuate when I get there.
Habituation IS a real thing, and it isn't limited to 'bad' habits, thankfully.

And you can counteract one with the other. 🤷🏻


I very much aim for this, don't want to give up, but don't want things to get worse.
YEP that's a great starting point.
What turned the tables for me is learning (or in my case, rather re-learning) to regard the use of my DOC as a special treat, instead of something that I HAD to have, or that I absolutely NEEDED to function like a normal human being. I'm not denying it was hard. But it WAS doable.
 
G'day Placebonaut,

First of excellent decision to pick up regular exercise. I'd like to share some things that might be helpful.

1. Your diet and eating habits will impact how hard it is to get off that couch (amongst every single other thing in your life). I don't want to push you away with jargon but if you can crank the protein up, start to cut back on fast carbs (sugar, processed snacks) and maybe switch to a low sugar drink (vodka+diet mixer for example) you'll have an easier to time getting off the couch. It's adding more effort on I know, but diet is king for all from bodybuilders to office workers to drug users. Food isn't so unlike drugs in that what you put it determines how you feel. Cannot stress this enough.

2. Weight Training. Getting a bit ahead of you here and off track but If you really want to swap drugs for exercises 1-for-1 long term you might find more results in chasing the biggest rewards. The biggest rewards come from heavy intense work (short sprints or compound excercises. These spike all sorts of lovely hormones, endorphins and neurotransmitters that feel great. For now just getting out and going for a walk is plenty and you're doing fantastic, this is just to let you know that if you want to go down this path (and trust me you do) that this direction will net you even more results. You mentioned you may have some weights lying around, here are some exercises to google that you can do at home that cover multiple muslces = less time (i'm a intermediate bodybuilder and i only spend 30 mins 3 a week in the gym). Nothing wrong with bicep curls but they are one tiny muscle, we want to mainly focus on hitting our largest muscles and multiple at a time; Goblet squat, split squat, Romanian deadlifts, bent over rows, push ups, dips+pullups (might need to walk to a park for these but they are invaluable). Even just picking 2-3 of these twice a week and banging out 2-3 sets of 5-12 reps, whatever you feel like. Start lighter than you think and just get used to doing the movements for a month, don't worry about challenging yourself at all for now, just show up. But look into weight training, it's the gateway drug from running that hits much harder and it doesn't have to be that difficult or complicated, but does require a bit of learning. That's on you.

3. It. Gets. Easier. The first 2-3 months are the hardest. It'll take some time for your body to learn how to use it's muscles properly and some things (split squats) will feel damn near life threatening the first 2 weeks. You're going to be proud of yourself a bit and you are going to get the mental boost but there's so much more to come. Shirts fit better. Guy in the mirror looking less shabby. It's always going to take you to make you do it but once you're in this game for a few months you get more and more reward. I shouldn't mention this in the recovery forum but this also does include that your highs will 100% improve, I'll bring this back around by saying it's a good opportunity to decrease dose.

4. Excellent fucking work my friend. Exercise is a long game that's hard to fuck up and everyone wins in the end. The complete opposite of most substances. The only thing you have to do is show up, even if all you can manage is to half ass the training and the diet you are still making massive progress, just takes a little longer. Also if you've got a friend that's into exercise, liaise with them. It's a lot easier to hold yourself accountable when you've got someone else to impress/talk about it with. I wish you all the best friend.



Final little note; I may receive some pushback on this but it is my opinion so take it with a grain salt. I lead a very sedentary life, outside of 90 mins of gym a week i'm mostly in the office or at home on the couch. I almost never do any cardio (outside of 4 mins in the bedroom once a month). Walking/running is hard and it whilst it's one of the best things to increase life expectancy and health, in my experience the effort to reward ratio isn't as great as weight training. Just honestly; I'm in lean athletic shape at 80kg and all I do is eat my meals and train 90 mins a week, I'm not fully recovered myself either. With walking/running you might put in hundreds of hours, improve your overall health and get a lovely mental boost, but it's a lot of effort for less reward. Nonetheless I always suggest both, or more importantly what seems to work best for you.


I'm a huge advocate for exercise in recovery/active users; if you or anyone else are serious about this or just want to ask a few questions feel free to DM me, happy to share simple meals, what worked for me or just simply all you need to do to reach your goal and how the process will look and feel.
 
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What turned the tables for me is learning (or in my case, rather re-learning) to regard the use of my DOC as a special treat, instead of something that I HAD to have, or that I absolutely NEEDED to function like a normal human being. I'm not denying it was hard. But it WAS doable.
this is a good 1 for me to focus on I think, maybe linking it to exercise as well
G'day Placebonaut,

First of excellent decision to pick up regular exercise. I'd like to share some things that might be helpful.

1. Your diet and eating habits will impact how hard it is to get off that couch (amongst every single other thing in your life). I don't want to push you away with jargon but if you can crank the protein up, start to cut back on fast carbs (sugar, processed snacks) and maybe switch to a low sugar drink (vodka+diet mixer for example) you'll have an easier to time getting off the couch. It's adding more effort on I know, but diet is king for all from bodybuilders to office workers to drug users. Food isn't so unlike drugs in that what you put it determines how you feel. Cannot stress this enough.

2. Weight Training. Getting a bit ahead of you here and off track but If you really want to swap drugs for exercises 1-for-1 long term you might find more results in chasing the biggest rewards. The biggest rewards come from heavy intense work (short sprints or compound excercises. These spike all sorts of lovely hormones, endorphins and neurotransmitters that feel great. For now just getting out and going for a walk is plenty and you're doing fantastic, this is just to let you know that if you want to go down this path (and trust me you do) that this direction will net you even more results. You mentioned you may have some weights lying around, here are some exercises to google that you can do at home that cover multiple muslces = less time (i'm a intermediate bodybuilder and i only spend 30 mins 3 a week in the gym). Nothing wrong with bicep curls but they are one tiny muscle, we want to mainly focus on hitting our largest muscles and multiple at a time; Goblet squat, split squat, Romanian deadlifts, bent over rows, push ups, dips+pullups (might need to walk to a park for these but they are invaluable). Even just picking 2-3 of these twice a week and banging out 2-3 sets of 5-12 reps, whatever you feel like. Start lighter than you think and just get used to doing the movements for a month, don't worry about challenging yourself at all for now, just show up. But look into weight training, it's the gateway drug from running that hits much harder and it doesn't have to be that difficult or complicated, but does require a bit of learning. That's on you.

3. It. Gets. Easier. The first 2-3 months are the hardest. It'll take some time for your body to learn how to use it's muscles properly and some things (split squats) will feel damn near life threatening the first 2 weeks. You're going to be proud of yourself a bit and you are going to get the mental boost but there's so much more to come. Shirts fit better. Guy in the mirror looking less shabby. It's always going to take you to make you do it but once you're in this game for a few months you get more and more reward. I shouldn't mention this in the recovery forum but this also does include that your highs will 100% improve, I'll bring this back around by saying it's a good opportunity to decrease dose.

4. Excellent fucking work my friend. Exercise is a long game that's hard to fuck up and everyone wins in the end. The complete opposite of most substances. The only thing you have to do is show up, even if all you can manage is to half ass the training and the diet you are still making massive progress, just takes a little longer. Also if you've got a friend that's into exercise, liaise with them. It's a lot easier to hold yourself accountable when you've got someone else to impress/talk about it with. I wish you all the best friend.



Final little note; I may receive some pushback on this but it is my opinion so take it with a grain salt. I lead a very sedentary life, outside of 90 mins of gym a week i'm mostly in the office or at home on the couch. I almost never do any cardio (outside of 4 mins in the bedroom once a month). Walking/running is hard and it whilst it's one of the best things to increase life expectancy and health, in my experience the effort to reward ratio isn't as great as weight training. Just honestly; I'm in lean athletic shape at 80kg and all I do is eat my meals and train 90 mins a week, I'm not fully recovered myself either. With walking/running you might put in hundreds of hours, improve your overall health and get a lovely mental boost, but it's a lot of effort for less reward. Nonetheless I always suggest both, or more importantly what seems to work best for you.


I'm a huge advocate for exercise in recovery/active users; if you or anyone else are serious about this or just want to ask a few questions feel free to DM me, happy to share simple meals, what worked for me or just simply all you need to do to reach your goal and how the process will look and feel.
thanks for this, I've already change a lot of what I eat and think I'm much healthier now as a result, daily meals are pretty good, just need to stop with the treats.

really liked the advice on weights, going to go and check some of these out and do a bit of weights today for the 1st time in a while I think!
 
Having a Beer one tapering seriously was 5 two days ago. Hate morning s as my sleep just fucked. Good thing that that drinking late i allreaqdy found out was indeed making it worse. Had me waking at 3/4 at night in sweat. So cutting that part helps. I dop sleep more concious which has drawbacks concerning dreams reoccuring kind. Tryring also but less toxic the reason i wanna get rid of the Elephant to. Makes live so much more pleasant.

Adding the training aspect, the pressure to just go before it leaves is now rising. A totally weird feel unproductive essentially a sort thought product like urges for drugs. They can get paralyzing. But i know the positives last time i stopped training was after a insomnia and probably a seizure. Unlike the former ones was in bad shape this time went in fit. Was milder almost unnoticeable i had one.

But the reward is great. The plan just go ignore the have another Beer and i don t wanna go. That s playing up while typing. What is that internal dialogue is this because i am typing it. Like my mind wrestling with the concept atm crazy how it feel s.

But after a bit of warming up seek out some soft ground instead hard. Read the tip from running s impact on the body and cross country indeed feels better 👍 Lets go.
Start slow and work your way up i read to so keep that in the back of my mind but my condition and heart are ready for it.
 
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