Yes but Bupropion could cause harmfull side effects. -
So why use buproprion - there are a ton of weight loss drugs that are not opiate antagonists.
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Of course, however this would stop financially strained people from accessing certain anti depressants in countrys like the US.
Well that's natural of course, i do believe a choice is offered to the patients.
That is all I ask, the patient gets a choice between the compounded version or just olanzapine. As long as this is all by choice I really don't have too much concern.
I dont have an answer, you are correct however i dont understand the point of this argument.
There is no point in arguing. There are choices that do not have such interaction problems and this just feels like a cheap way for someone to dump sumidorphan or w/e into a compound that not only doesn't need to exist -- even if it it did there are better weight loss options I am still convinced...
I dont have an answer, you are correct however i dont understand the point of this argument.
same point; noot really an argument. I just don't like big pharma capitalizing on a product with no demand -- especially when alot of the people precribed olanzapine probably dont want to be. Adding an opiate antagonist feels like spiting an already captive group of people.
If they can opt for plain olanzapine and it is cheaper -- this argument does become somewhat moot. I would ask can they opt for plain olanz and is it cheaper?
I do believe opiate users should be allowed anti depressants however using opiates greatly reduce the effects of anti depressants and they should attempt to get sober for opiates for their anti depressants to be truely effective.
Fair enough. I believe that statement carries some bias against opiates which is very understandable giving your situation.
From such I would infer you are against things like MDMA/Ketamine therapy? Morphine (Objectively) tends to be a pretty good anti depressant when used alone and left alone --- it got the "Gods Own Medicine" title for good reason.
Going to morphine for depression is somewhat akin to going to sumidorphan for weight loss in my mind. Sure it is AN option --- is it anywhere near the best option? if doctors started doing that regularly I would have to wonder if there wasnt some bigpharma $$ behind it....
good enough metaphor!
I dont understand this sentence.
I was asking if you believe they truly added sumidorphan for the benefit of patient's and not they bank account --- given I find the metaphor above roughly on par it seems like long odds to me.
Everybody has different side effects, personnally my libido has come back and the brain fog dissapeared very quickly.
I am VERY GLAD to hear that -- I am not personally on any of these medications but know plenty of ppl who are / have been etc ... and weight loss was DEFINITELY DOWN THE LIST under not being able to "Finish" -- if start at all in bed and whether they were aware or not (Usually were) it felt like blunting cognitive abilities -- which is needed sometimes?? It is a highly questionable practice to me.
Thank you too, i must admit i have a hard time understanding some of your points but i greatly appreciate your ability to have a civilized argument (a rare trait which i associate with intelligence).
No problem. Truly thank you for taking the time to address what ya could. PS dont feel like you gotta address every question again (feel free to of course) but I think other than this last thing we are on about as common ground as people are likely to reach having fully formed opinions and all.
--- I guess my only real remaining concern is that the compound is indeed optional and you wouldnt be looked at askew or charged more for saying "Nah leave that shite out of my medication please" or that it is indicative of future trends in the SSRI/antpyschotic market at large.
I think Ions should get opiates if he wants them personally -- spose that is subjective though haha
