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Esoteric How Entheogenic is your drug use?

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Entheogens are substances—or sometimes practices—that are used with the intention of evoking a profound inner experience of the sacred, the divine, or a deeper layer of consciousness within oneself; the word literally means “generating the divine within.” What makes something entheogenic is not merely that it alters perception, but that it is approached with a purposeful, reflective, often ritual context aimed at insight, healing, unity, or spiritual understanding rather than simple intoxication. In this sense, a plant, mushroom, or compound may function as an entheogen when used in a respectful setting with guidance, preparation, and integration, but the same substance taken casually might not truly be entheogenic at all. Importantly, the entheogenic principle can also arise without any substance: intense meditation, fasting, rhythmic chanting, breathwork, prayer, pilgrimage, or prolonged contemplation can similarly shift perception and open people to experiences of connection, meaning, or transcendence, making the quality of intention and consciousness—not the chemical itself—the defining feature of what is entheogenic.

Psychedelics, entactogens, dissociatives and cannabinoids are known to be associated with entheogenic experiences, especially associated with entheogenic rituals augmenting the substance, but even Mapacho-based high nicotine Rapé snuff use is used in entheogenic context, as were coffee beans initially chewed by Ethiopian mystics to power all-night prayer vigils. Likwise emerges an entheogenic use of Cocoa, some people offer "Cocoa Sessions" like others offer "Ayahuasca sessions".

Entheogenic isn't just a substance, its a way to approach the experience to render it more meaningful. Perfect example, smoking cigarettes is usually profoundly unspiritual, but Native Americans passing the pipe take part in a highly entheogenic rituat where the same plant adds to the entheogenicity very meanigfully.

We all love the "Psychedelic" flying colors, but how do you raise the "Entheogenic" meaningfulness of your experiences to get the most out of them?

The higher the Ante, the bigger the Wins!

 
I used to think I was totally entheogenic in my tripping and philosophy
and I still might be,
but not with regard to adopting 'ancient' rituals, per se.
I mean
I respect the idea of the magician having his tools on the table and being very neat about what is there before him and about what is not there for the session.
I keep the body reasonably clean and well stretched and in tune with the changing contexts.
Like I said I prepare my table - mind set.
I am very interested in facing what arises reflexively and honestly with little or no additional reflexive resistance,
and fascinated with being put upside down unexpectedly.
while reacting to everything I try to keep my cool anyway and stay with the most recent layers of experience.
500px-RWS_Tarot_01_Magician.jpg

the magician card more or less shows the extent of it.
 
what I mean is
lay out what you are interested in, and keep the area clear of other stuff, then be honest about what happens - (i guess that is the white robe, under the red cloak of passion/energy)
 
Entheojenler, kutsal, ilahi veya kişinin kendi içindeki daha derin bir bilinç katmanını deneyimleme niyetiyle kullanılan maddelerdir – veya bazen uygulamalardır; kelimenin tam anlamıyla "içimizdeki ilahiyi yaratmak" anlamına gelir. Bir şeyi entheojenik yapan şey, sadece algıyı değiştirmesi değil, aynı zamanda basit bir sarhoşluktan ziyade içgörü, şifa, birlik veya ruhsal anlayışa yönelik amaçlı, yansıtıcı, genellikle ritüel bir bağlamda ele alınmasıdır. Bu anlamda, bir bitki, mantar veya bileşik, saygılı bir ortamda rehberlik, hazırlık ve bütünleştirme ile kullanıldığında entheojen olarak işlev görebilir, ancak aynı madde rastgele alındığında gerçekten entheojenik olmayabilir. Önemli olan, entheojenik ilkenin herhangi bir madde olmadan da ortaya çıkabilmesidir: yoğun meditasyon, oruç, ritmik ilahiler, nefes çalışması, dua, hac veya uzun süreli tefekkür, benzer şekilde algıyı değiştirebilir ve insanları bağlantı, anlam veya aşkınlık deneyimlerine açabilir; bu da niyet ve bilinç niteliğini –kimyasalın kendisini değil– entheojenik olanın belirleyici özelliği haline getirir.

Psikedelikler, entaktojenler, disosiyatifler ve kanabinoidlerin, özellikle maddeyi güçlendiren entheojenik ritüellerle ilişkili olarak, entheojenik deneyimlerle bağlantılı olduğu bilinmektedir; ancak Mapacho kökenli yüksek nikotinli Rapé enfiye kullanımı bile entheojenik bağlamda kullanılmaktadır, tıpkı Etiyopyalı mistiklerin gece boyu süren dua nöbetlerine güç vermek için çiğnedikleri kahve çekirdekleri gibi. Benzer şekilde, kakaonun da entheojenik bir kullanımı ortaya çıkmaktadır; bazı insanlar "Ayahuasca seansları" sunarken, diğerleri "Kakao Seansları" sunmaktadır.

Entheojenik sadece bir madde değil, deneyime daha anlamlı bir yaklaşım biçimidir. Mükemmel bir örnek olarak, sigara içmek genellikle son derece maneviyattan uzaktır, ancak Kızılderililer pipoyu elden ele geçirirken aynı bitkinin entheojenikliği çok anlamlı bir şekilde artırdığı son derece entheojenik bir ritüele katılırlar.

Hepimiz "psikedelik" deneyimlerin muhteşemliğini seviyoruz, peki bu deneyimlerden en iyi şekilde yararlanmak için "enteojenik" anlamlılığı nasıl artırabilirsiniz?

Bahis miktarı ne kadar yüksekse, kazanç da o kadar büyük olur!


Ağlamak hissi sebepsiz finalde olursa ilahi maksat daha bir işlevsel olabilir.
 
Many of the most profound experiences of my life have been related to drug use, especially psychedelic use, but many have been completely sober, and many experiences (including psychedelic ones) have been completely mundane, cleaning the apartment off a tenstrip and all that.

Set and setting really appear to be the primary determinant as to how "mystical" something feels.
 
Many of the most profound experiences of my life have been related to drug use, especially psychedelic use, but many have been completely sober, and many experiences (including psychedelic ones) have been completely mundane, cleaning the apartment off a tenstrip and all that.

Set and setting really appear to be the primary determinant as to how "mystical" something feels.
Cleaning the apartment off a tenstrip sounds absolutely wild, did you have high psychedelic tolerance?
 
I use acid for all kinds of things - anti-depressant, when I feel like a good laugh. If I'm tired and I need a bit of energy to clean the house and get the shitten underpants from under the settee.

4-aco-dmt is a bit special tho - that's the only psychedelic that takes me to a place inside where I can talk to my deepest inner self.
 
Im impressed though, on a 1000ug I wasnt even able to comprehend what an apartment is 😂
For me the point of getting lost in trances and shit tends to be the 2.25-3mg range. Recently my fiance and I got our hands on some absolutely devastating acid, once a week we administered about 25 tabs per person and that was definitely a knockout dose every time. Acid dreams are fucking wild.
 
For me the point of getting lost in trances and shit tends to be the 2.25-3mg range. Recently my fiance and I got our hands on some absolutely devastating acid, once a week we administered about 25 tabs per person and that was definitely a knockout dose every time. Acid dreams are fucking wild.
Thats wild, I assume you must have some form of 5ht2a downregulation either genetically or through tolerance. Did you at some point in your life take SSRIs, mirtrazapine or some sort of antipsychotic with 5ht2a antagonism before you did LSD? Ive read and met people who have some form of perma-tolerance to psychedelics even after getting off these meds for years.

An example being a friend who needed 400ug LSD to get effects comparable to 100ug after having been on SSRIs for 3 years and then getting off. Everyone else who took the same acid got absolutely obliterated from that 400ug dose, we all took 4 tabs and got lost in a massive field for a while 😂
Kinda lucky that he was rather unaffected and could steer us
 
Oh, give me a break it is just another way to get wasted, different but thats all, nothing more.
 
Does passing out on the couch half naked, holding a lit cigarette, whilst covered in potato chip dust after a fat shnoz of heroin count as 'entheogenic'.
 
Thats wild, I assume you must have some form of 5ht2a downregulation either genetically or through tolerance. Did you at some point in your life take SSRIs, mirtrazapine or some sort of antipsychotic with 5ht2a antagonism before you did LSD? Ive read and met people who have some form of perma-tolerance to psychedelics even after getting off these meds for years.

An example being a friend who needed 400ug LSD to get effects comparable to 100ug after having been on SSRIs for 3 years and then getting off. Everyone else who took the same acid got absolutely obliterated from that 400ug dose, we all took 4 tabs and got lost in a massive field for a while 😂
Kinda lucky that he was rather unaffected and could steer us
Nah I can detect LSD down to ~30-40ug, 2C-B down to ~3.5mg, psilacetin down to ~4mg, DOM down to ~800mcg, I have a normal threshold, but I genuinely seem to have never experienced anxiety in my entire life (I sustained GABAergic brain damage due to meropenem exposure as a teenager) so I can push a lot of drugs further than most now, it seems. There were times as a teenager where on no tolerance I'd eat a 90ct bottle of xans without blacking out. In college I'd mix 8mL of 0.7g/mL GHB, 10-20 random street bars, and a few 40 ounce bottles of malt liquor all in the same night with some meth addies and methylphenidate and pull through just fine, and I did that shit a lot. Even once is enough to kill. Meropenem is now understood to essentially deep fry GABAergic neurons, and I wonder to what degree that keeps me from freaking out or getting nervous in certain states.

Nothing written here should ever be attempted, it was a reckless point in my life where I did not care if I lived or died, I am simply conjecturing about how I suspect that meropenem-related brain damage may have caused a highly idiosyncratic response to high doses of drugs.

Edit: No I've never routinely taken serotonin antagonists or anything of that sort.
 
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Nah I can detect LSD down to ~30-40ug, 2C-B down to ~3.5mg, psilacetin down to ~4mg, DOM down to ~800mcg, I have a normal threshold, but I genuinely seem to have never experienced anxiety in my entire life (I sustained GABAergic brain damage due to meropenem exposure as a teenager) so I can push a lot of drugs further than most now, it seems. There were times as a teenager where on no tolerance I'd eat a 90ct bottle of xans without blacking out. In college I'd mix 8mL of 0.7g/mL GHB, 10-20 random street bars, and a few 40 ounce bottles of malt liquor all in the same night with some meth addies and methylphenidate and pull through just fine, and I did that shit a lot. Even once is enough to kill. Meropenem is now understood to essentially deep fry GABAergic neurons, and I wonder to what degree that keeps me from freaking out or getting nervous in certain states.

Nothing written here should ever be attempted, it was a reckless point in my life where I did not care if I lived or died, I am simply conjecturing about how I suspect that meropenem-related brain damage may have caused a highly idiosyncratic response to high doses of drugs.

Edit: No I've never routinely taken serotonin antagonists or anything of that sort.
Daamn almost makes me want to take meropenem to change my brain chemistry 😂
Although I know it would likely cause worse issues as the literature states it can cause encelopathy or seizures by damaging GABA receptors. I guess you were lucky, do you feel like it affected your cognition in any negative way?
 
Many of the most profound experiences of my life have been related to drug use, especially psychedelic use, but many have been completely sober, and many experiences (including psychedelic ones) have been completely mundane, cleaning the apartment off a tenstrip and all that.

Set and setting really appear to be the primary determinant as to how "mystical" something feels.
that is why I posted the magician tarot card
the table is the setting, which has been cleared of mess and which displays the ideas of contemplation and action - the magicians tools

what you lay out for yourself will resonate within during your trip
so if you lay out items with mystical references, that is most likely the route your mind will take you.
 
Nothing written here should ever be attempted, it was a reckless point in my life where I did not care if I lived or died, I am simply conjecturing about how I suspect that meropenem-related brain damage may have caused a highly idiosyncratic response to high doses of drugs.
Heavy shit, Meropenem so it actually at least might have contributed to the response to drug s. A medication used for some serious life threatening deceases.

That kinda makes the reply insignificant about set/ setting s gonna go ahead anyway. It matter s thought i got it all ready. But during realized my toilet don t flush. Landlord peril s but should have realized this when preparing. Simple thing but missed the significance of it.

So that experience was that entheogenic or endo- getting rid of that :poop: with a bucket of water on a good dose of a psychedelic it might have.
 
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