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Trigger Warning What triggered the opioid epidemic in the US

You've hit the nail on the head in my opinion. For reference, I was addicted to heroin from 2004-2008, finally got into recovery after multiple failed attempts in 2008, and was broken enough to accept suggestions because I clearly was not as smart as I thought I was...

Since then, I went back to school for social work and public health (had to take $187,000 out for school - final tally with interest as of 12/23 was 226k). I have worked with people who use drugs since 2011, and I would agree with everything you said (though with some nuance):

America's consumerism and individualism is ultimately an empty system, devoid of any real feelings of satisfaction. You can buy a brand new car, house, technology, and it has already dropped in value by the time you leave the store. It's like when you do a line of coke and you know the comedown is about to come, so you rack up 4 more lines to be ready. Never enough. Except - we're sold on a system which tells us we can have 'The American Dream' - an illusive state of satisfaction that was much more easily attainable 50 years ago (if you were white).

Our spirituality has been broken by grifter Christian televangelists promising God for just 99.95$, by pederasty in the Catholic church, by political propaganda against Islam, by Anti-semitism, and by the commercialization of Buddhism into yoga cults that grift. People have lost connection with spiritual practice because they're all tarnished in some way or another, leaving people feeling empty and disconnected.

Suburban sprawl with it's infinite growth, infinite cost attached, leads to neighborhoods devoid of any of the culture that comes from city living. There's no music, no art, no interesting cuisine, just little segregated plots of land with guns behind people's doors and medicine in the cabinet. There's money but it's fading fast, there are good schools, but they struggle to compete with Tik Tok and the ongoing assault on public education.

The cities have increasingly become magnets for the wealthiest, and poorest, purging those of us who were once called 'Middle Class'. My neighbors all earn 2.5x my salary (as a therapist) on average. Most of my neighbors are not from around here. The wealth has bought systems of security while the poverty has created generational trauma and ripe breeding grounds for addiction, hopelessness, and the trap of getting tangled up in the dwindling safety net.

If I'm not mistaken, we're the only country where pharmaceutical advertisements are permitted, where it's normalized for a patient to be a conspicuous consumer (Unless you're one of THOSE patients....). We've increasingly medicated existential uncertainty with ritalin for several generations now, first pathologizing atypicality with various disorders, and then watching as people now self-diagnose these very same disorders as a means of feeling special, relevant, or simply to try and understand the suffering they experience. If you're not medicated, you're competing against people who are whether you realize it or not.

I turned to heroin because I'd done everything right, for the most part. I finished high school and got into a good university, I completed in 4 years and found myself unsure as to what to do next - I was 21 years old and despite having lived on my own for a few years at that point, I had no idea how to live a life. Opioids were cheap (Oxys were 40$ for an 80mg pill - diacetylmorphine was 120$/gram) and they were everywhere - normalized by the medical establishment and further stoked by the existential dread of 9/11, the kindling of new technology, and the threat of terrorism and war. The bubble burst and there was opium to numb it. Over time, my generation was decimated - I've lost count of how many friends, former using buddies, people from treatment programs, people in 12-step meetings, patients, and colleagues have died from overdose deaths, many dozen at least.)

Finally - our primary tool against opioids has been Suboxone and Narcan - we're throwing drugs at a drug problem. What we need, is access to ongoing restorative residential treatment programs with trauma-based career development, Criminal Justice reform, and guidance. We needed that a decade ago. What we get, is 5 days in detox and a referral to suboxone programs, where people with no lived experience are telling people trying to find recovery what's best for them. Meanwhile, the recovery support programs (12-step for example), don't view medication assisted treatment as 'truly sober' - so you're caught in a gray world of almost sick, almost sober, peeing in a cup once a week and having someone investigate your personal life so that can access the medication that you can't function without. I do my best to be a counterpoint against that, I'm open about my past, and I'm open about my expertise. My work speaks for itself, but I'm so fucking tired sometimes.

I just got loan forgiveness last week and private practice is calling. All told, 14 years to earn degrees I graduated with in 2012+2014. I've had to pay the equivalent of a second month's rent for the duration (aside from the merciful break in payments during the pandemic). I'll stay connected to public health work, but private practice is much more lucrative and much less taxing. I need to take care of my soul, man. This work is a grind and it's gotten harder as the drugs got stronger and more plentiful, as the cost to rent an apartment as tripled, and as so many people have left the field since CoVID.

So, that's my perspective on what has happened and why we are where we are.

Supervised consumption/Overdose Prevention/Community Engagement Sites are needed - Get people off of the streets so they can use in a space where others will look out for them. It'll keep them from the steps of the library, the subway station, or the starbucks bathrooms, and give them access to people who care.

Residential Treatment Programs that people actually want to utilize. If I hadn't 'had access to 9 months of publicly funded residential treatment, I wouldn't be here today posting this.

Include job training and criminal justice reform pathways for people in treatment, develop internships with companies who want to do business here.

You can't do one without the other.
Extremely well put I agree 100%
 
The Dutch, whatever that is, claim s the opiod prescribing thing also happens here. Never been prescribed them but once in a lifetime. And it s not like i only once had pain.

After the initial over prescribing theory that never reached me and i am + 50. And the hyper Analgesia syndrome as back up. Concluding that regular intake of create s pain.

Yesterday stopped a documentary about over prescribing these and sedatives/ AP s to people imprisonment. Seems that the moment you go to jail you lose your med insurance and the state takes over. These are heavy over medicated but not gettin adequate treatment. So medicated to keep em still and they are at father states will.

On the other side people under medicated because the system seem s more and more to change to labeling these problems. WTF, that was my 1 st thought. Measuring with different measurements and not personalized. That s kinda says enough this discussion won t stop.
 
The root cause of the fent epidemic is likely the CIA shipping fent into the US. Some people say this is the governments way of culling junkies. I wouldnt put it past them at all as it is much ,like the crack epidemic
 
The root cause of the fent epidemic is likely the CIA shipping fent into the US. Some people say this is the governments way of culling junkies. I wouldnt put it past them at all as it is much ,like the crack epidemic
The root cause seems prohibition in the USA. Then the Opium law of 25 March 1972 Genève and after that after a lot of BS 100% according to a harmful law ...
 
The root cause of the fent epidemic is likely the CIA shipping fent into the US. Some people say this is the governments way of culling junkies. I wouldnt put it past them at all as it is much ,like the crack epidemic

I love a good conspiracy as much as the next guy -- but the chinese hooking up with the mexicans is established (and makes so much more sense)

Watched Pfizer go to china to teach them how to produce things than coming back saying "They can't get it right, we just can't teach them" blah blah (One Pfizer worker speaking for the lot, not an official statement or anything)--- than they started making (And tweaking) just about everything.

Crack was the CIA -- this does have a bit of there scent on it ... tell me story
 
I love a good conspiracy as much as the next guy -- but the chinese hooking up with the mexicans is established (and makes so much more sense)

Watched Pfizer go to china to teach them how to produce things than coming back saying "They can't get it right, we just can't teach them" blah blah (One Pfizer worker speaking for the lot, not an official statement or anything)--- than they started making (And tweaking) just about everything.

Crack was the CIA -- this does have a bit of there scent on it ... tell me story

It's alot more believable to me thats it CIA rather then Mexicans. It's the exact same playbook they did with crack in the 80's. Granted different govenments have done this with the brits doing it in China with opium and the south Africans doing it with mandrax during Apartheid

The only dugs i have heard of coming out of China come from Hong Kong which is abit different then the rrest of China
 
It is the same playbook -- that is how ya got me on the hook.

I honestly dont know where my drugs comin out of china were from, I imagine they mess with the labels a bit. It didn't say hong kong. (I am ignorant to like provinces or the such so idk if that means anything at all)

I was hoping there was an active theory with dots to connect! I don't see the CIA stopping it that is for damn sure

Just blaming it on foreigners in general seems to be the US plan with fentanyl...
 
I was under the impression that a Mexican national (nicknamed 'The Brain') was in jail with that US national who was synthesizing fentanyl homologues as early as 1981. That's the thing with 'dangerous' knowledge. It's profitable, it tends to disseminate, especially when a single person couldn't possibly syntheize the scales involved.
 
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^ I liked the Hamilton episode on PCP where the older guy gave the younger guy the recipe -- than he slipped up and it ended all over east LA. (I think he got busted with a bunch in barrels or some shit)

You could tell the mentor never really forgave the younger guy for pandora getting out of the box. The younger guy was super stoked on him as like a guru -- the older guy was pretty curt about the younger guy haha

Wasn't it just the late early 00's when there was only ONE KNOWN FENT SYNTHESIZER and the barrels he was producing supplied all of the cut heroin.
(This is before fent was normal in dope, I remember reading an article some girl in suburban near detroit OD'd, politician's daughter or something)

I guess my question is, was it true (as far as you know) that one guy was producing all the illicit fent on the market for awhile. ( I am not sure but it didnt sound like he had other chemists under him or anything, just him )

That was when I got how dangerous it was "Fuck one dude is messing up the entire dope game with one cut -- that should not be possible"
 
^ I liked the Hamilton episode on PCP where the older guy gave the younger guy the recipe -- than he slipped up and it ended all over east LA. (I think he got busted with a bunch in barrels or some shit)

You could tell the mentor never really forgave the younger guy for pandora getting out of the box. The younger guy was super stoked on him as like a guru -- the older guy was pretty curt about the younger guy haha

Wasn't it just the late early 00's when there was only ONE KNOWN FENT SYNTHESIZER and the barrels he was producing supplied all of the cut heroin.
(This is before fent was normal in dope, I remember reading an article some girl in suburban near detroit OD'd, politician's daughter or something)

I guess my question is, was it true (as far as you know) that one guy was producing all the illicit fent on the market for awhile. ( I am not sure but it didnt sound like he had other chemists under him or anything, just him )

That was when I got how dangerous it was "Fuck one dude is messing up the entire dope game with one cut -- that should not be possible"

That was a really good episode. Weird you dont hear that much about PCP anymore in north America. I remember watching a vid on youtube of a huge PCP bust in toronto in the late 70's or 80's and they where just bringing out buckets of PCP
 
Funny you should mention PCP.

I've cafefully looked at all the lists of 'watched precursors' and there is an intermediate (direct PCP precursor) that isn't listed. I SUSPECT the reason it wasn't in a list is because in it's pure form it's unstable... BUT it IS stable as a solution in diethyl ether or THF.

So my theory is that 55 gallon drums of that intermediate in solution are being imported to the US and the final step is just to add the other key precursor to that solution.

I wouldn't go anywhere near anything illegal but I;ve always been fascinated by how clandestine chemists will often find loopholes.
 
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PCP got the ultimate stigma when rapppers started chopping they dicks off on it (That really happened, fairly big name rapper at the time)

I think it became a scape goat for alot of crimes that were just unjustifiable ''uhh pcp made me a monster'' --- works for us.

Than there is the whole "wet" thing --- which reminds me of mandrax is SA. Just smoke a fairly random amount, should work out??

*God bless clandestine chemists finding loopholes -- when they dont produce something that will kill us knowingly at least* haha
 
PCP got the ultimate stigma when rapppers started chopping they dicks off on it (That really happened, fairly big name rapper at the time)

I think it became a scape goat for alot of crimes that were just unjustifiable ''uhh pcp made me a monster'' --- works for us.

Than there is the whole "wet" thing --- which reminds me of mandrax is SA. Just smoke a fairly random amount, should work out??

*God bless clandestine chemists finding loopholes -- when they dont produce something that will kill us knowingly at least* haha

That was a associate of Wu tang clan i believe. He was on both meth and PCP which sounds like a absolute fuck of a mix. No doubt he was suffering drug psychosis when he chopped his dick off. Imagine waking up with your dick cut off? Damn

PCP gets a unfair stigma i think. My aussie friend has done alot of it and so have her friends and ive never heard of any of them getting violent
 
Extremely well put I agree 100%
Unbelievably so.

Reasons like the ones mentioned are why I never ventured into social work. Besides the fact that I am an empath, still trying to control my "gift" (curse), it just always seemed too frustrating and difficult, due to the US government constantly cutting funding for social programs. The cost of the education is incredibly daunting too. I went to college but didn't graduate, so I would have to do a lot...

I have a lot of respect for people who do this kind of work because I don’t think I could do it for very long. However it is incredibly important work.

Right now I am kind of having a midlife crisis of sorts and while part of me thinks that working with addicts would be a good thing, another part of me isn't so sure.
 
Doctors first handing out strong opioids like candy and then doing a 180 and being incredibly mean and stingy with them.
 
was it MACE? That is who comes to mind but ill have to run a quick google. OF COURE IT WASN"T -- You had it WUTANG AFFILIATE that went by "Christ bearer" (Redflag already!) lol
"He expressed that, in his impaired state, he believed the act would solve his problems."

(Yea Mase just became religious -- there is some correlation there! Shutup my memory works different)

In the episode of hamilton he said he had a realization that his dick was where all of his bad behavior and lack of focus could be attributed too (Idk dudes history) so he went ahead and got that focus back lmao

I agree it gets a horrible stigma -- I have only tried pcp analogs and one of em turned to be pretty toxic (Doh) I forget which one but it was legal and a friend had it (Hence I didnt research it to buy it and catch the toxic metabolite). The effects weren't exactly my thing but I was far from doing any crazy shit!
That was a associate of Wu tang clan i believe. He was on both meth and PCP which sounds like a absolute fuck of a mix. No doubt he was suffering drug psychosis when he chopped his dick off. Imagine waking up with your dick cut off? Damn

PCP gets a unfair stigma i think. My aussie friend has done alot of it and so have her friends and ive never heard of any of them getting violent
 
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Unbelievably so.

Reasons like the ones mentioned are why I never ventured into social work. Besides the fact that I am an empath, still trying to control my "gift" (curse), it just always seemed too frustrating and difficult, due to the US government constantly cutting funding for social programs. The cost of the education is incredibly daunting too. I went to college but didn't graduate, so I would have to do a lot...

I have a lot of respect for people who do this kind of work because I don’t think I could do it for very long. However it is incredibly important work.

Right now I am kind of having a midlife crisis of sorts and while part of me thinks that working with addicts would be a good thing, another part of me isn't so sure.
The empaths dillema is a genuine nightmare. I have a similar problem, although struggling with toxic cognitive empathy related to autistic traits. Known a lot of other who burned out of working with addicts, most recent being a guy I grew up with up and am fairly close to.
 
Imagine waking up with your dick cut off? Damn

PCP gets a unfair stigma i think.
Hmm, even in the worst psychosis I'm struggling to believe than anyone is getting even a couple of seconds sleep after they've recently become un-dicked

But yeah, would have to be right up there with scenarios one would not particularly be keen to wake up into.
 
From the BBC website:

'The rapper, who goes by the stage name of Christ Bearer, made headlines in 2014 after injuring his manhood in the North Hollywood area...'

Ouch. Uncertain exactly which bit of the male genetalia is termed 'the North Hollywood area', but it SOUNDS painful.

Guy does sound like your actual common or garden idiot because a year later he said "I'm proud of what I did," he says. "In the annals of history I don't think anybody did it."

As far as I can discover, several 'mixtapes' have been released since that event. None of them appear to have even been noticed by the music press. Would I be correct in thinking that by 'mixtapes' what is ACTUALLY meant is that music is just put onto Spotify, Soundcloud or similar i.e. no physical media is published. Little to no marketing is undertaken and thus the Wu Tang Clan are using such muppets who likely only get income from live appearences? Because that appears to be their business model.
 
From the BBC website:

'The rapper, who goes by the stage name of Christ Bearer, made headlines in 2014 after injuring his manhood in the North Hollywood area...'

Ouch. Uncertain exactly which bit of the male genetalia is termed 'the North Hollywood area', but it SOUNDS painful.

Guy does sound like your actual common or garden idiot because a year later he said "I'm proud of what I did," he says. "In the annals of history I don't think anybody did it."

As far as I can discover, several 'mixtapes' have been released since that event. None of them appear to have even been noticed by the music press. Would I be correct in thinking that by 'mixtapes' what is ACTUALLY meant is that music is just put onto Spotify, Soundcloud or similar i.e. no physical media is published. Little to no marketing is undertaken and thus the Wu Tang Clan are using such muppets who likely only get income from live appearences? Because that appears to be their business model.

Hmm you know that all depends if you can trust the word of "Christ Bearer" or want to do some more digging.

A mixtape (Am I still current?) implies physical media being sold. I am out of rap age but things use to go Mixtape (Random songs over stolen beats used to make a name) -- EP (Proof of concept/ability to make something not half stolen)--- Single (proof you can sell) -- LP (You know what they are)

Now things seem a bit out of order -- Soundcloud/Spotify -- Single/ Catchy song/lots of engagement -- Mixtape (Whats that mean now? AFAIK still the same) But you do have a way of predicting how things are going to unfold with a high degree of accuracy....

Id honestly have to check lol.

I can tell you as a rap fan I never even heard of dude (outside of this) and the closest I could get was Ma$e
 
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