EADD Heroin thread v.XXV -- a quarter centuary of threads if not yet a full decade since the 'drought'...

[Perkins : Reborn]

Message this morning:

"Stay clear of those people, they'll only bring you mither ;BIG TIME"

And that's from a seasoned addict. Clean, but an addict.

I actually haven't tried to score anything, even though one I scored last week was heavenly. The scene is just too fucked up.

 

[F.U.B.A.R.]

Ffs I was getting wats known colloquial as cookies and cream for over a year and in big chunks where's the fucking good gear at

Eh up Blondin, long time no see!

Still having a dabble?

 

[Perkins : Reborn]

Pretty average white here. Brandy has been exceptional some nights. I'm sure Blondin can score the best.

 

[blondin]

I was getting big lumps every few weeks not brilliant prolly 7/10 but always the same for 18m or so.

 

[Zopiclone bandit]

Pretty average white here. Brandy has been exceptional some nights.

White with no B is like trying to eat Toast with no Butter.

 

[Zopiclone bandit]

Praise to the Heroin Gods, they have blessed me beyond words right now.
I love a phone call like what I just had.

 

[Perkins : Reborn]

White with no B is like trying to eat Toast with no Butter.

I usually steer clear of it, but some people insist on having a pipe.

There's a guy here who must be in his sixties. Pisses all his limited benefit money on stone, then spends hours sitting by the side of the road.

The first time I smoked crack, it was free. I loved it. But I also knew that was the road where madness lived, so tried to keep it to an absolute minimum.

 

[LoginNotSecure]

White with no B is like trying to eat Toast with no Butter.

Toast without butter is ok, as long as you have something to replace it with, a little pate is just fine.

 

[LoginNotSecure]

Praise to the Heroin Gods, they have blessed me beyond words right now.
I love a phone call like what I just had.

Your claim at the dole office finally gone through confirming you can identify as a woman, meaning you can claim as a man and a woman so you get double bubble?

Gaming the system, I like it.

 

[pharaoh]

Howdy folks, haven't been on for a while and hope all are doing good.

I'm on the buvidal and would highly recommend it for anyone who wants to clean up.

Dabble occasionally but the scene has been funked up by the introduction of rock. It wasn't a thing here and has really fucked with what was a relatively stable ecosystem based around B being sold by long-time user-dealers.

Crack grips some people and really brings out the worst in people who are already suffering enough from the symptoms of the trauma that led them into the arms of Lady H.

Greed, paranoia, erratic behaviour and so on.

Heroin by virtue of its pacifying nature, long lasting effects and the availability of opioid replacement therapy mean that it can be managed as a public health issue.

When it comes to the white, I don't know what solutions exist in terms of enabling harm-reduction, especially with the general lack of intervention into the problems associated with the drug and its place within the lower-echelons of the socioeconomic system where it is most problematic.

Crack really is whack. Look at how it was used to further destroy black American ghettos after years of the FBI's COINTELPRO project which essentially destroyed positive and productive socal movements related to the struggles faced by black Americans - read about the FBI's destruction of the Black Panther Party for example. And then look into the role that the CIA played in moving white into America, with crack hitting the mostly black ghettos, causing immense chaos and misery.

It truly worries me and seeing it as a relatively new problem in Scotland has been alarming. It has certainly played a role in helping to fuck society up even more for those at the bottom who will turn to acquisitive crime in order to get the next pipe but it also has presented major issues to workies who get into the powder. For many of such folk it'll merely be a weekend thing when out and about and be manageable but there will always be people who get drawn to it and end up with habits that cause them serious problems in life. And of course there is the crime that comes with the organised crime element - so much profit and a highly competitive market.

Cocaine in its various forms is to neoliberalism what alcohol was to the Great Depression and the era of Prohibition. It truly is the Devil's Dandruff.

Sorry to rant. If anyone has any recommendations for reading on how to treat cocaine and crack cocaine from a harm reduction point of view, I'd love to check it out. Crack in particular seems to be a lost cause but obviously we have to find a solution and that raises questions that obviously go way beyond the chemical compound - there are major socioeconomic issues which need to be addressed - as with any drug - and not to mention the tragic state of the NHS.

Crack seems to me to be an example of chemical warfare used to generate profit for the prison-industrial-complex and this is what I'm getting at. I know that it's bordering on tin-foil hat thinking but I don't see the drug as being manageable in its own right.

Maybe a kind of long-life monthly injection of a slow-release synthetic cocaine buvidal-type thing? Seems like a dumb idea as coke really does cause a lot of physical issues, as well the psychological issues which stem from stimulants. I dunno, I'm thinking something like ritalin? Fuck it - the point is that it worries me and I don't see much hope for proper clinical treatment. It's really fucking people up where I am.

Stay safe brosefs and hoesefs - watch out for the dodgy cuts in the brown and please be careful with the white stuff!

Peace & chicken grease.

 

[Zopiclone bandit]

There's a guy here who must be in his sixties. Pisses all his limited benefit money on stone, then spends hours sitting by the side of the road.

Just gone past one I know who does 100% the same thing.
His got no legs & is sitting outside the Tesco on a piece of cardboard with his wheelchair next to him with a Costa Coffee Cup in his hand asking for spare change.

I can 100% understand how someone can get hooked on Smack, I have never been able to understand how someone can get a Crack habit, a little smoke is nice, I am talking a £20 rock over the space of 90 mins, maybe 2 hours but anything over that it gets nasty & you end up "chicken picking" & being wired, even if you smoke a fair bit of gear you still aren't 100% back down.

 

[Zopiclone bandit]

pate

 

[Zopiclone bandit]

Your claim at the dole office finally gone through confirming you can identify as a woman, meaning you can claim as a man and a woman so you get double bubble?

Gaming the system, I like it.

God knows how it happened but years ago before I was 18 & was living in a shared house I had to get some benefit money to stay alive, I was too young for the old Dole & Giro due to being under 18. I had a real issue with The DWP & so many letters etc came & forms to be filled in, one day a letter from The DWP came with my full name, address etc which was all 100% correct but I had another N.I. Number, I so wish I had kept that letter, with two legit N.I. numbers........well yeah go figure.

 

[LoginNotSecure]

God knows how it happened but years ago before I was 18 & was living in a shared house I had to get some benefit money to stay alive, I was too young for the old Dole & Giro due to being under 18. I had a real issue with The DWP & so many letters etc came & forms to be filled in, one day a letter from The DWP came with my full name, address etc which was all 100% correct but I had another N.I. Number, I so wish I had kept that letter, with two legit N.I. numbers........well yeah go figure.

Setting up a second identity isn’t that difficult if you know which forms to fill out.

 

[Bleaney]

There's a guy here who must be in his sixties. Pisses all his limited benefit money on stone, then spends hours sitting by the side of the road.

That's not Kingsway in Burnage by any chance is it?

There's a really aggressive and rude beggar, who looks to be around that age, and is always sitting at the traffic lights of a certain junction, mythering car drivers and passers by for money.

He's never getting anything from me, the rude twat, I hate him.

 

[Perkins : Reborn]

That's not Kingsway in Burnage by any chance is it?

There's a really aggressive and rude beggar, who looks to be around that age, and is always sitting at the traffic lights of a certain junction, mythering car drivers and passers by for money.

He's never getting anything from me, the rude twat, I hate him.

Not far away (A6), but this guy's pretty docile for someone who's hooked on crack. A real liability though; he gets people in trouble because he doesn't know when to be quiet, and he relies on other addicts because no sane dealer would want to serve him.

Nice enough bloke, but just obsessed.

I feel pretty dirty now for having a brief binge, but it's over for now. The benzos can't have helped my decision making either.

 

[Bleaney]

God knows how it happened but years ago before I was 18 & was living in a shared house I had to get some benefit money to stay alive, I was too young for the old Dole & Giro due to being under 18. I had a real issue with The DWP & so many letters etc came & forms to be filled in, one day a letter from The DWP came with my full name, address etc which was all 100% correct but I had another N.I. Number, I so wish I had kept that letter, with two legit N.I. numbers........well yeah go figure.

Maybe you could have got away with double identities and double payments for some time. An unknown period of time..

But, I imagine that sooner or later, something would have triggered something, and this would have got noticed.

And then they'd have been demanding you to pay back all of the double payments.

But if you literally don't have any means of doing that, there doesn't seem to be very much DWP could do about it.

Maybe they'd deduct a small amount from your benefits each month, and it would take years to pay back.

I sincerely hope they wouldn't be so callous as to just stop your benefits until the balance is redressed, and I'd like to think that even they would not stoop so low.

tl;dr yeah obviously you'd have been quids in potentially with double payments, and I don't think they'd be able to retrieve the money, if you don't have the means. So I think you'd have gotten away with free money.

off topic - I used to hear tales of new age travelers driving from town to town, well before the days of computers, and registering in different names in every town. Sometimes taking the piss, as in calling themselves "Mickey Mouse" but obviously that bit sounds like a bit of a tall tale. But apparently they'd travel round collecting their dole from all the towns they'd registered in. I'm sure there's alt least some grounds for issues like this to have genuine occurred. Maybe before IDs and documents were strictly required, and maybe they were much more lax about all that back then. 1970s I think the guy said it was.

 

[F.U.B.A.R.]

off topic - I used to hear tales of new age travelers driving from town to town, well before the days of computers, and registering in different names in every town. Sometimes taking the piss, as in calling themselves "Mickey Mouse" but obviously that bit sounds like a bit of a tall tale. But apparently they'd travel round collecting their dole from all the towns they'd registered in. I'm sure there's alt least some grounds for issues like this to have genuine occurred. Maybe before IDs and documents were strictly required, and maybe they were much more lax about all that back then. 1970s I think the guy said it was.

That's not too far from the truth tbh. Benefit fraud was ridiculously easy in the 70s and 80s. Many of my college mates in the early 80s were also claiming dole whilst in full time education. Plus, if you ticked the 'No fixed abode' box on the claim form, you got more money, even if you were living with your parents.

Furthermore, you could legally claim dole during the summer holidays when in college.

I personally didn't claim anything until I left college at 19 (because i received a grant for being in higher education - them were the days). I'd also found a full time job on a farm.

Every fortnight I'd turn up at the dole office clutching my UB40 and stinking of cow shit and silage, to be seen by a totally disinterested employee who asked in a monotone voice "have you done any work in the last fortnight?:

If you just said 'no', they'd sign your form and a couple of days later, you received a girocheque in the post.

The only downside was that you then had to make the effort to take your giro to the post office to get the cash...

 

[Bleaney]

That's not too far from the truth tbh. Benefit fraud was ridiculously easy in the 70s and 80s. Many of my college mates in the early 80s were also claiming dole whilst in full time education. Plus, if you ticked the 'No fixed abode' box on the claim form, you got more money, even if you were living with your parents.

Furthermore, you could legally claim dole during the summer holidays when in college.

I personally didn't claim anything until I left college at 19 (because i received a grant for being in higher education - them were the days). I'd also found a full time job on a farm.

Every fortnight I'd turn up at the dole office clutching my UB40 and stinking of cow shit and silage, to be seen by a totally disinterested employee who asked in a monotone voice "have you done any work in the last fortnight?:

If you just said 'no', they'd sign your form and a couple of days later, you received a girocheque in the post.

The only downside was that you then had to make the effort to take your giro to the post office to get the cash...

I was in one of the last 'cohorts' to receive the full grant, and I could only receive it by going down the route of declaring (genuinely) that my parents had split up, and somehow I was then able to qualify, but I don't think I would have otherwise. IIRC.

The grant pretty much only paid for an academic terms' accommodation though. But that's nothing to be sniffed at, compared to these days where there's no grant even for that, and even the course fees have to be paid for on top, Those were free when I went. And all that's before even thinking of the obvious living expenses like bills, food, travel, entertainment etc.

It was just at the period when they were transitioning over to student loans, and I had to top up with those. But due to various reasons, most likely my Autism fucking up any chance of me having the highly developed (ass licking) people skills required in order to progress much with any employer, I never earned over the payback threshold in 25 years, and I had my loan written off a few years ago. Of course that's not something I'm proud of, but it is what it is.

It's also frankly ridiculous that the universities have long since been accepting something like 50% of every generation to be educated to degree level, when there are nowhere near enough graduate jobs, not even for maybe 10% of the whole generation. So 90% of them are going to end up with massive debts of around 50K, and no chance of getting a well paid graduate job that requires a degree, because they don't exist, or there are nowhere near enough. So it's basically a massive waste of money and time for most of them imo.

Unis were supposed to be for the brightest 5%, 10%, 20% or whatever. Not for 50% of the generation. By definition 50% of a generation cannot be the brightest, it just doesn't work like that. Governments are probably pushing going to uni, as it avoids that 50% of 18 to 21 year olds ending up straight on the dole, like the majority of the school leavers that don't go to uni do.

I just missed out on dole being available during uni holidays. The earlier generations had it incredibly easy compared to today's poor bastards!

 

[F.U.B.A.R.]

I'm afraid that unis are no longer places of education, just indoctrination.