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Health Is natural better than synthetic?

It is sooooo so much more than just chemical compounds. I’ve had the pharmahuasca over here and mutiople different kinds that westerners try to recreate.

There is an active spirit only found with the combination of plants taught to the INDIGENOUS elders passed down from lineage to lineage.

Again, it’s so, so much more than just chemical compounds

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I like the idea of natural and organic but 4-aco-dmt is my fave psychedelic.

I DEFINATELY get a better wifi signal when using semi-synthetics.
 
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Ismene2 said:
I like the idea of natural and organic but 4-aco-dmt is my fave psychedelic.
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I just about agree. Fantastic stuff.

One thing I notice is I get a longer afterglow with synthetics. LSD, 4-ACO-DMT, etc.... Natural trips fade away quicker but have an organic feel. Almost like synthetics scrub the brain a little harder. Of course that could all be subjective as most of personal opinions on psychedelics are.
 
Theys all goood babbyyyeee

I think alot of ppl put too much stock in "Its natural" --- talk to syd barrett.

Anything synthetic has a human error factor involved so that is bad --- most natural drugs consumed in plant matter the dosage is kinda ??

Both have pro's and con's
 
notsmokeymcpot42088 said:
Both have pro's and con's
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But is synthetic mescaline the same as a mescaline extraction from a cactus? I do think a molecule is a molecule. But when it comes to nature verses synthetic that really is not a fair comparison. Cactus itself has a few other goodies in it besides mescaline. That can account for a differences so that would be logical. But yeah, to me a molecule is a molecule, whether created by nature or man (who is also nature :) )
 
Nitrous oxide is natural, Memantine is synthetic. Memantime is so much less problematic.

Mescaline is my favorite psychedelic though. Low potency, high side effects, but the Rolls-Royce of psychedelics.

I'd stock a kilo of mescaline over a gram of LSD every day of the week.
 
JackARoe said:
But is synthetic mescaline the same as a mescaline extraction from a cactus? I do think a molecule is a molecule. But when it comes to nature verses synthetic that really is not a fair comparison. Cactus itself has a few other goodies in it besides mescaline. That can account for a differences so that would be logical. But yeah, to me a molecule is a molecule, whether created by nature or man (who is also nature :) )
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At the same dosage if mescaline is the only alkaloid, yes.

100% agreed

In this case the pro's and cons lay in with having to eat cactus or peyote button --- pro's 'other goodies'
 
All the "synthetic mescaline" I've bought - bought it off 3 different vendors - none of it was mescaline just some shit that failed halfway through the synthesis at best, or just some fake fucking dirt cheap fake alleyescaline or whatever.

None of it has ever been in the same building as mescaline.
 
Asante said:
Mescaline is my favorite psychedelic though. Low potency, high side effects, but the Rolls-Royce of psychedelics.

I'd stock a kilo of mescaline over a gram of LSD every day of the week.
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And I have eaten [shit] loads of mescalin and ithink its far better. Its almost like a gentle candy flip.
By far my favorite.

–fee
 
I think mescaline is beautiful but I could never get as psychedelic with it as mushrooms or acid. Whether it was struggling to choke down (or squirt it up my ass with a red rubber enema hose - those were the days) or whatever - it's gorgeous but never as psychedelic as I wanted it to be.
 
That would be the cons of synthetic --- is it actually just mescaline HCL or did you get god knows what that may make you trip and the vendor goes "Eh whos gunna complain" (which is a BS but shrewdly effective method of operating)

I remember before knowledge was so common ppl having "Mescaline microdots and blotters" --- Yea that is simply not possible, you gotta come with big capsules to bluff this one
 
Id day synthetic will reign supreme most of the time, on one hand natural things like cacti or shrooms will have a full spectrum of different alkaloids but pure 4-PO-DMT or Mescaline will always provide a cleaner experience.

Id even say that people who ”feel” that something is missing from synthetic vs natural due to some spirit or something in the plants are biased and having their experience influenced by expectation and belief causing a psychosomatic reaction.

If you were to replicate the exact ratio of alkaloids in mushrooms and put them in a pill the experience would be identical bar maybe nausea, the plant matter doesnt contribute to it in any meaningfull way nor does a ”spirit” of the plant
 
One thing I cannot recommend enough to psychedelic newbies, is to get San Pedro or Peruvian Torch cuttings, grow these, then cut them, let the wound dry in the shade, then plant the cut off pieces and grow these too. In a few years, you will have what I call all-you-can-eat-Mescaline, meaning your cacti grow more cactus tissue per year than you consume for tripping, which is the most desirable thing imaginable for a tripper. Nothng is easier to grow and maintain as San Pedro and mescaline is so damn good, read The Doors of Perception by Aldous Huxley - Mescaline is exactly like he describes it, its extrordinary, and mescaline takes all day for you, it doesnt rush you, and expands time massively.

Hear this Conservative British politician take Mescaline in the 1950s and have the most gobsmacking experience of his entire life caught on camera, where in a few seconds he had an experience that for him seemed to last days and days. The BBC didnt broadcast it because it was too inviting, he was supposed to be the debunking skeptic but it changed his life instead.

 
"When we said goodbye to Maria Sabina and her clan at dawn, the curandera said the pills had the same power as the mushrooms—there was no difference. This was confirmation from the most competent authority that the synthetic psilocybin is identical with the natural product. As a parting gift I left Maria Sabina a small bottle of psilocybin pills."

"Now she could give consultations even in the time when no mushrooms were growing, she explained beaming with joy to our interpreter Herlinda."

Albert Hofmann. [ LSD: My Problem Child ]. 1979. Chapter 10. [ Searching for the Magic Plant ] § [ A Mushroom Ceremony ]
Translated from German
 
Opium became illegal through a series of national and international laws between 1905 and 1920. The U.S. began federal bans with the 1909 Smoking Opium Exclusion Act - Canada passed the first Opium Act in 1908, Britain restricted it under the 1920 Dangerous Drugs Act, and international prohibition was solidified by the 1912 Hague Convention.

Marijuana became illegal in Canada in 1923 by being added to the Opium and Drug Act. While the U.S. began state-level bans earlier (e.g., California in 1915), federal prohibition came later via the Marihuana Tax Act of 1937. Prohibition in the Western world developed around the same time, often linked to international treaties.

Mescaline was officially made illegal in the United States in 1970 when it was categorized as a Schedule I hallucinogen under the Comprehensive Drug Abuse Prevention and Control Act.

Cocaine was effectively made illegal in the United States by the Harrison Narcotics Tax Act of 1914, which heavily restricted its sale and distribution. Prior to this, it was widely used in products like Coca-Cola before 1903 and was restricted at the state level, with Georgia passing the first ban in 1902.

Naturally occurring psychotropic substances have not always been illegal.

Synthetic versions are equivalent to natural but may lack the "entourage effect" of whole plant and crude plant extracts.

The Mumbo Jumbo about Natural Substances having Spirit Teachers connected with them is only as true and you make believe. Not that there is anything wrong with make believe, but it gets in the way after a while, and is fake to begin with.
 
Ahh yes. I think the primary original purpose behind prohibition was to establish a black market for groups like the CIA to raise money off the books for black ops. This may also have been the story behind the creation of bitcoin. That's not to say there weren't many secondary motivations as well like racial stereotyping, influence operations, and blackmail. The later criminalization of psychedelics was pretty clearly directed toward the hippie movement.

Since we're talking about the law, it's fascinating how in the USA (and probably other countries too) there is all kinds of inconsistency regarding the legality of plants which are not explicitly scheduled but which contain scheduled chemicals. What happens if you get caught with a bag of psilocybin mushrooms you picked from a cow pasture? Go to jail! But if you're in possession of mimosa hostilis bark containing DMT, it's no big deal. Or how about opium poppies? No problem at all, even if they are dried, as long as they are for "ornamental" purposes, even though they are actually explicitly scheduled. There's also the case of coca tea (made from the leaves which are explicitly scheduled) which has been legally sold in the USA by virtue of the words "decocainized"on the packaging, even though no such process was performed. Watch out if you're drug tested after drinking this tea---you'll test positive and they'll treat you like a junkie, even thought the DOT regulations (at the time I read them) explicitly says that drinking coca tea is not a valid defense for having tested positive for cocaine because coca tea doesn't contain cocaine. Apparently this is true even for someone who drank coca tea while on vacation in the Andes and then tested positive shortly after returning.

On Coca Cola, I understand that today the company does in fact decocainize the coca before producing their product and that the extracted cocaine makes up most of the supply for the small amounts of cocaine that are actually used in medicine (for certain kinds of eye surgery). Of course traces of cocaine are undoubtedly left-over which find their way into the beverage, but perhaps not as much as people come into skin contact with by handling cash.

Justice!!!
 
haven't used cash in a long time but looking forward to receiving my cocaine nose spray! 😜
 
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