You don't have to believe in God, God believes in You.

[Asante]

He of course likes you to believe in Him, but He doesn't insist.





Surround yourself with people you believe in, and with people who believe in you.

 

[Cheshire_Kat]

He of course likes you to believe in Him, but He doesn't insist.





Surround yourself with people you believe in, and with people who believe in you.

If we were created with free will then it follows that we were created with the explicit ability to not believe in God. It is every individual's choice.

 

[Asante]

Absolutely, atheism is a feature, not a bug

 

[Chaurus]

If everything is one and everything is God, does atheism really mean God denying Herself?

 

[aokorn]

If we were created with free will then it follows that we were created with the explicit ability to not believe in God. It is every individual's choice.

I firmly believe that everything around us is part of God. Including us, of course. So to think now that we do not believe in God is (for me) counterproductive and confuses cause and effect.

 

[Cheshire_Kat]

I firmly believe that everything around us is part of God. Including us, of course. So to think now that we do not believe in God is counterproductive and confuses cause and effect.

If you believe in God and He created everyone with a free will, if one denies the other person that freedom would that not constitute going against God's will?

 

[aokorn]

Of course there is such a thing as free will. Free choice, so to speak. But as I said before, it is a contradiction in terms.

 

[Cheshire_Kat]

Of course there is such a thing as free will. Free choice, so to speak. But as I said before, it is a contradiction in terms.

Every one is free to make mistakes, the anticipation is that we all learn from our mistakes. Focus on praying for those who do not believe, it helps much more than challenging them.

 

[aokorn]

It's actually a question of whether you make a mistake first and then try to correct it, or whether you do it right first and then make a mistake.

We can argue about which approach is more correct.

In my opinion, it's more difficult to make a mistake first and then try to correct it.

 

[foodcrisis]

pretty sure i have a spirit that other spirits are pushing around and that happens in this life time with rules people put on me, but also as a thing in death where spirits are pushed into different places as reincarnation whether it be on earth or in different universes. maybe anyways. i don't believe everything is one or that there even is a god. i associate with only certain types of animals because of reincarnation. this may be a trick i'm playing on myself though. that there is some way to associate animals in a person's head and summon them telepathically. this wouldn't have anything to do with god or reincarnation/spirit animals. just my mind using animals to play a trick on me.

a lot of stuff in different religions gets deemed as what god really intended. i don't think every planet through out the universe that bears life as earth does really has the problems that earth does. i'm wondering if more advanced aliens have set up some type of V2K to connect with us and that's how technology in the 1900's/2000's evolved so quickly. their goal was to set up a society with a lot of problems to see how people respond. that i believe i have a spirit energy and i have to deal with that in society. what is set up is not really the intention of any god. maybe aliens set this up. maybe people are just dumb, or everything was just set up by the occult and freemason type NWO people to torture people. i don't thnk any of this really has anything to do with me. that god is everything is kind of bizarre to me. i know that isn't the OP's point, but being said in the thread.. i could be my own god. i'm not attatched to the whole if what i see from animals are true. i believe to be communicating with a higher righteous power, and i don't believe everything is that. maybe that i am communicatng with something like the power of christ, but the bad energy could be more powerful. that would make it more like god... i don't really like that.

i dunno. just some thoughts. not really the point of this thread. i guess i don't really have to believe in god, which i don't. i'm just getting screwed in this life by some bogus set up. i'd hope every planet like earth isn't like this. i imagine with reincarnation there are a lot worse places to be if that's a thing, but i hope my energy gets to experience some better situations whether or not i'm conscious of that or not. i interpret non duality people find reasons that bad things exist, and the only reason why i think that could be is because people might not grasp the full extent of their emotions with out bad stuff. i really feel like who ever set society up knew that and they are just testing to see how people respond. i don't feel like knowing what bad is and how i have to respond to that is really helping me... it'd be perfectly fine imo if all this were happening for someday the world economy to collapse and they had some secret plan to set everything up and be fair and bad stuff stopped. i'm thinking that history could be for adults only and they give people psychedelics to see how they respond to hearing about all the stuff people had to go through before the world got to be an ideal place.

Again this isn't really at the OP, i'm in the mood to comment on something like this though, and one of the posters is talking about everything around them being a part of god.. definitely could be different types of energies. different animals are all different. i think about how eagles and hawks mostly never have male mounting each other and have really quick sexual experiences. i think i'm experiencing life with a hawk/eagle attitude. i am on a higher level. other spirits are trying to bring me down... some day or on another planet, things will be more for my reincarnation. if there is a god, it will be a whole new energy. that part of god will take on a new form. like a snake eating it's tail. the snake is changing colors and experiencing an entirely different energy. the snake or universe is not god, the different energies effect it and create entirely new situations. there is no type of abosolute power, which i'm not sure if that's what god implies.

 

[Asante]

I very much enjoy how the topic is being discussed here compared to elsewhere online. This bluelight subforum has a thoughtful engaging crowd.

If everything is one and everything is God, does atheism really mean God denying Herself?

Atheism and Theism are a toggle between assuming/perceiving there to be Divine Authority, and there being none.

I perceive God more than I believe in Him/Her/It. Atheists do not consciously experience perceiving God.

There is a big difference between atheism and anti-theism. An atheist is not necessarily against God, so you could say its a spectrum of (a)theism between Theism and Antitheism.

In my experience of God, Omnicyclianism, God stresses that belief in Him is desired but by no means obligatory, whereas faiths like Christianity and Islam insist that unbelievers are erased or damned. God in Omnicyclianism says clearly that hellish experiences are to be seen as purgatory, so transit stations on the road to betterment, not end destinations. God stresses that in the Omnicyclian beliefs set there is no place for eternal punishment or reward. We are all fragments of the Big Bang becoming Whole again, an upward trajectory that consolidates the many into the One, until the end of the One-ness, the shattering of everything into the next big bang, in the pulse of an eternally beating cosmic heart.

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[M!$TER-ED]

Just as valid as what anyone else believes my research has led me to believe god is an existential concept adopted in one’s consciousness as a divine being in which was taught to you through religious channels or other methods used to educate or recruit people to their cause as a means to gain strength and leverage for control and management.

I don’t believe in the divine. What determines divinity, why is something divine? Do the divine have special powers? What may be construed as divine may not be divine at all, instead whatever it is could be another life form or an advanced being but not divine?

 

[Jnowhere]

He of course likes you to believe in Him, but He doesn't insist.





Surround yourself with people you believe in, and with people who believe in you.

You obviously have not read The Bible. He does insist you believe in him. More specifically that you repent of your sins and accept his only son Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior. God The Father, Jesus Christ and The Holy Spirit are 3 in one.

Three separate but equal eternal beings that are one. Hey, that is why they call it faith. The true and living and only God( who is three separate but equal spiritual beings) are the One and only true God.

Jesus Christ died on Cross to pay for the sins of man. Read John 3:16-18 and then the Gospels( aka The Books of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John). Then read the rest of The Bible.

A Good Study Bible, is highly recommended.

However, repentance and true belief in Jesus Christ is the only way to eternal salvation.

But Hell is Hot and Eternity is forever. You make the choice. But, most will not make right one.

I suspect most will laugh, maybe get mad or don't care. You make your choice. You don't then it is already made, and you cast into The Lake of Fire for all eternity.

You have been warned.

I am not going to waste my time quoting Bible Verses, to those who are not open to the truth.

Lucifer, aka The Devil, Satan ect had free will and chose to defy and rebel against ALMIGHTY GOD.

The day of Judgement will come and those whose names are not Written in The Book of Life will be cast into the black fires of Hell for all Eternity.

You have a choice, please make the right one.

But, IDK what you think. But ALMIGHTY GOD, Does.

 

[aokorn]

It's actually a question of whether you make a mistake first and then try to correct it, or whether you do it right first and then make a mistake.

We can argue about which approach is more correct.

In my opinion, it's more difficult to make a mistake first and then try to correct it.

I would like to try to explain what I meant by that. Perhaps it didn't come across clearly enough. If that's not what the OP meant, I apologize.

If someone makes a mistake first and then tries to correct it, that means they must know they made a mistake. In this sense, one can start from the teachings of religions (also in general) – in the sense of Christianity: we have the Bible, which explains what is right and what is wrong. In my opinion, one should not take it too literally, but there are many guidelines there, and if something has not been properly understood, there is still the Church, which explains it in great detail.

You can make a particular mistake. For example, the same small mistake every day: eating too much every day. But you can also consider it a mistake in general (if I take a big leap here) to assume that God does not exist. I think the latter is far more important in a person's life and can lead to tragic consequences.

 

[kris66]

He of course likes you to believe in Him, but He doesn't insist.

I do believe God loves us whether we believe in him or not. Having said that, however, my faith is one of the things I’m most thankful for in my life.

 

[ChemicallyEnhanced]

Which God believes in me, though??
Like, genuinely asking.

 

[Asante]

Which God believes in me, though??
Like, genuinely asking.

The God of All Things, out of which everything is made, believes in you sufficiently to make you be.
That is in the Omnicyclian interpretation of the All-Encompassing One that many religions try to describe.

You obviously have not read The Bible. He does insist you believe in him.

He does so in the Bible, He does so in the Qu'ran, He does not do so in the Omnicyclion.

The Omnicyclion doesnt want you to convert from your religion, but rather, wants you to deepen your faith and get in more intimate contact and alignment with your God.

If you and Jesus ride on a donkey, you are not Jesus, you are not the Donkey but God Almighty is the three of you.

 

[M!$TER-ED]

Simple question, why are you pushing omnicyclion?

 

[foodcrisis]

Simple question, why are you pushing omnicyclion?

not to be a dick, but why do anything really? heh.

i went on a tangent in this thread about how i believe in spirits and not necessarily a god because of the other posts, but i like the timing of the OP's post about surrounding yourself with people you believe in and believe in you. i feel like they must have some type of muse or connection with the universe to use this timing.. i've been thinking a lot about getting room mates that i could do you tube with and music with and maybe trying to start up this group of people that used to do music and art shows/flea markets in my area but stopped doing it mostly after covid. i feel like the post is some type of sign that i should really try to reach out to people and try to help people connect more.... forget to mention that @ the OP, or didn't know if it's necessary.

 

[foodcrisis]

because some hardcore monks spend so much time praying, i always wondered if friends and company were really necessary, but i think friends might be a spiritual thing. i'm really not sure. been thinking about that a lot.