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Coming off Invega/Xeplion (paliperidone) injections v 12

PenguinWithNapalm said:
Psychiatrists prescribe medication. That’s what they do. Psychologists diagnose and treat patients without medication
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Try telling that to the shrink i had in the psych ward. She cold turkeyed me off high dose morphine ad clonazepam and wouldnt give me any meds for psychosis. I went 3 months without even a goddamn aspirin. Fucking dr.Mengele shit there.
 
paranoid android said:
Try telling that to the shrink i had in the psych ward. She cold turkeyed me off high dose morphine ad clonazepam and wouldnt give me any meds for psychosis. I went 3 months without even a goddamn aspirin. Fucking dr.Mengele shit there.
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By shrink do you mean psychologist or psychiatrist? That is so fucked. Obviously they are all different. I’ve had some shrinks that were pretty great. Others that were awful. Probably 50-50 good and bad
 
PenguinWithNapalm said:
By shrink do you mean psychologist or psychiatrist? That is so fucked. Obviously they are all different. I’ve had some shrinks that were pretty great. Others that were awful. Probably 50-50 good and bad
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Psychiatrist. In my experience all inpatient ones are bad i ust happened to get switched to a decent one who usually didnt work there. But for the first 3 months in gthere i was gien no meds
 
Matthew01 said:
Are you even listening to what you write? What you said is horrible. Do you know how the brain works? Dopamine is responsible for several functions in brain including movement,emotion and motivation. When I was falsely diagnosed and injected I was drooling and my arms where frozen.those signs are commonly signs of brain damage. This drug blocks severely receptors in the brain and causes so may problems that people have not healed for several years.
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I agree in one aspect that yes, these psychiatric drugs do very often cause long term problems.
 
PenguinWithNapalm said:
Yeah I’ve had couple good ones. Like maybe 2 or 3. I have had mostly bad ones
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Ya after i started yet another fight and got dragged off to solitary for like the 6th time my brother got me another shrink who was actually good. I was put on invega and havent had psychosis since. Fuck invega though zyprexa is so much better
 
demileigh said:
Yeah it’s not something to worry about at all, it’s just science and interesting to know.
My dad had the spirit of a warrior, he was funny, he was wise and no amount of brain shrinkage whether it was from schizophrenia, medication or from a brain tumour took away from him as a person.

If you’re waking up and coughing your guts up then I’d say COPD is already creeping up to you. Train your brain to smoke less or quit, keep lifting weights, eat well, keep a positive mindset and I’m sure you’ll be right man
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But i disagree here. The drug has taken away a lot from most of us as people. The cognitive abilities, creativity, imagination, empathy, emotions go missing in most of us here. Although i have recovered a lot, i am still not at the same level as before yet.
 
Then i don’t know what to do about that solian 50mg, i’am so desperate because i’am at 19 months without recovery, but at the same time i have fear that by taking it i will ruin my chance to heal and go back to baseline but at the same time i have fear that this will never happen since 19 months after i still have a lots of sympthoms..

What I should do?
 
deathbypsychiatry said:
healthy and normal person receiving depot injections? you are very lucky not to be labelled as schizophrenic.
https://sites.google.com/site/punishingthepatient/social-problems
https://sites.google.com/site/punishingthepatient/prisoners/treatment-or-torture
"About 41% of patients with schizophrenia are not informed of their diagnosis, as only 59% of psychiatrists report telling patients their diagnosis during the first episode. This lack of communication can contribute to misunderstandings and stigma surrounding the condition."
You may already have been given the label though.

There are many reasons that statement is incorrect.
Animal studies proved conclusively that neuroleptic drugs cause brain shrinkage in 2005.
https://www.nature.com/articles/1300710
There is also the problem that schizophrenia is a label that signifies a moral judgement and not a disease.
But ignoring the esoteric truth and working with the incorrect assumption that schizophrenia exists as a real brain disease then why was brain shrinkage not observed before the neuroleptic era?
https://urantiagaia.org/en/mental/pbreggin/braindamage/psychdrug_brain_damage.html#G1-2-1
"Brain atrophy is far more accurately and definitively evaluated on direct postmortem pathological examination than on CT scan. The actual pathology, if it exists, can more easily be identified and accurately measured by direct observation and microscopic studies. Yet no consistent finding of brain atrophy was made in hundreds of autopsy studies performed on schizophrenics prior to the use of neuroleptics."
Schizophrenia is solely an iatrogenic illness.
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Yeah they injected me to punish and torture me, not because i will had some benefits by reciving the injections.
 
deathbypsychiatry said:
healthy and normal person receiving depot injections? you are very lucky not to be labelled as schizophrenic.
https://sites.google.com/site/punishingthepatient/social-problems
https://sites.google.com/site/punishingthepatient/prisoners/treatment-or-torture
"About 41% of patients with schizophrenia are not informed of their diagnosis, as only 59% of psychiatrists report telling patients their diagnosis during the first episode. This lack of communication can contribute to misunderstandings and stigma surrounding the condition."
You may already have been given the label though.

There are many reasons that statement is incorrect.
Animal studies proved conclusively that neuroleptic drugs cause brain shrinkage in 2005.
https://www.nature.com/articles/1300710
There is also the problem that schizophrenia is a label that signifies a moral judgement and not a disease.
But ignoring the esoteric truth and working with the incorrect assumption that schizophrenia exists as a real brain disease then why was brain shrinkage not observed before the neuroleptic era?
https://urantiagaia.org/en/mental/pbreggin/braindamage/psychdrug_brain_damage.html#G1-2-1
"Brain atrophy is far more accurately and definitively evaluated on direct postmortem pathological examination than on CT scan. The actual pathology, if it exists, can more easily be identified and accurately measured by direct observation and microscopic studies. Yet no consistent finding of brain atrophy was made in hundreds of autopsy studies performed on schizophrenics prior to the use of neuroleptics."
Schizophrenia is solely an iatrogenic illness.
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The justification rather than the diagnosis that led me to be injected is: "transient acute psychotic disorder, mixed personality disorders"

I can assure you that i never had that so called “transient acute psychotic dsorder” That won’t in any ways justify a long term teraphy with depot injection and MAX dosage aviable, twice. I guess they referred to the fact i told them “go fuck yoursel, you can’t keep me there against my will since i’am completely normal, and i went there on my own and not under a CTO”.

And i can assure you that I don’t have “mixed personality disorders”, i guess they referred to the fact i had laugh, cry, angry, and others emotions compatibile with the surrounding envoirments.

As i said before, a psychiatrist could diagnose illness even to a rock if he want.
 
RisperdalConsta50mg said:
The justification rather than the diagnosis that led me to be injected is: "transient acute psychotic disorder, mixed personality disorders"

I can assure you that i never had that so called “transient acute psychotic dsorder” That won’t in any ways justify a long term teraphy with depot injection and MAX dosage aviable, twice. I guess they referred to the fact i told them “go fuck yoursel, you can’t keep me there against my will since i’am completely normal, and i went there on my own and not under a CTO”.

And i can assure you that I don’t have “mixed personality disorders”, i guess they referred to the fact i had laugh, cry, angry, and others emotions compatibile with the surrounding envoirments.

As i said before, a psychiatrist could diagnose illness even to a rock if he want.
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Like “yeah that rock have negative sympthoms of schizo, he don’t engage much in social activityes, he don’t have much positive emotions and he always ruminating on his spot” let’s inject him..
 
demileigh said:
Listening to what I write? 😂 actually I use my brain to think, type and read. Fuck off with your snarky comments as if I don’t know what I’m saying or understand how a brain works… maybe it seems horrible to you because the truth hurts and you’re too weak and feeble minded to take in information that challenges what you think you know.
I had a side effect of drooling and my arms wouldn’t move naturally when I walked, those are side effects not brain damage.
I had 3 months worth of injections and going on 9 months later I’ve recovered so don’t come here acting like you’re a spokesperson for people who have been injected with antipsychotics based off shit you cooked up in your own head from things you think you understand but don’t.
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You have no absolutely no knowledge about what you're talking about. Don’t come up with nonsense that are not true or factual. It's very ignorant.those side effects you mentioned are common side associated with brain damage,. I had advice from one of the doctor I talked to some time ago who is aware of the damage and told me to do a brain scan,I read the post of a person who did a brain scan and he found some changes.
 
Matthew01 said:
You have no absolutely no knowledge about what you're talking about. Don’t come up with nonsense that are not true or factual. It's very ignorant.those side effects you mentioned are common side associated with brain damage,. I had advice from one of the doctor I talked to some time ago who is aware of the damage and told me to do a brain scan,I read the post of a person who did a brain scan and he found some changes.
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There is evidence to suggest that antipsychotics shrink the brain for long term users , but i wouldnot call it brain damage. I dont know what is considered long term use? We also dont know ifthe shrinkage is permanent.
 
anonymoususer777 said:
But i disagree here. The drug has taken away a lot from most of us as people. The cognitive abilities, creativity, imagination, empathy, emotions go missing in most of us here. Although i have recovered a lot, i am still not at the same level as before yet.
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I was talking about my father not speaking for most of us as people as I don’t know personally know most of us as people so I would never make claims on behalf of most of us as people and neither should you.

The common theme of people recovering is that they return to baseline.

There’s also a possibility that people return back to the condition that had them injected in the first place and maybe I’m an asshole for saying this but I think that’s the case with some people who claim they haven’t recovered after so long.
Once the drug has left the system there’s no logical reason to blame the drug for anything going wrong in your life as it’s a separate issue that needs to be addressed.

Sometimes people who experience psychosis commit suicide and people can suffer brain damage from untreated psychosis so it’s probably safer to be injected with invega a few times than it is to be in psychosis imo.

Don’t get me wrong, invega seriously messed me up for some time but no medication I’ve ever taken, not even invega has permanently taken anything from me as a person… I’m 100% back to being the person I was beforehand (minus psychosis) 👍
 
Matthew01 said:
You have no absolutely no knowledge about what you're talking about. Don’t come up with nonsense that are not true or factual. It's very ignorant.those side effects you mentioned are common side associated with brain damage,. I had advice from one of the doctor I talked to some time ago who is aware of the damage and told me to do a brain scan,I read the post of a person who did a brain scan and he found some changes.
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Literally get lost, I don’t care.
You didn’t even get injected with invega yet here you are on a forum about invega telling me I don’t know what I’m talking about after I was injected with invega.
All you do here is say the same shit over and over and tell people to take ADHD medication, do you have years of education behind you to tell people what drugs could help them or are you just a fucking idiot?
The last thing people need in a space like this is a cooked cunt like you saying side effects are brain damage
 
demileigh said:
I was talking about my father not speaking for most of us as people as I don’t know personally know most of us as people so I would never make claims on behalf of most of us as people and neither should you.

The common theme of people recovering is that they return to baseline.

There’s also a possibility that people return back to the condition that had them injected in the first place and maybe I’m an asshole for saying this but I think that’s the case with some people who claim they haven’t recovered after so long.
Once the drug has left the system there’s no logical reason to blame the drug for anything going wrong in your life as it’s a separate issue that needs to be addressed.

Sometimes people who experience psychosis commit suicide and people can suffer brain damage from untreated psychosis so it’s probably safer to be injected with invega a few times than it is to be in psychosis imo.

Don’t get me wrong, invega seriously messed me up for some time but no medication I’ve ever taken, not even invega has permanently taken anything from me as a person… I’m 100% back to being the person I was beforehand (minus psychosis) 👍
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You are openly saying “I’am not aware of changes in receptor expressions as result of the mechanism of antipsychotic and how the brain respond to that.

Once you remove a bullet from the body of someone being shot, the damage inflicted by the bullet won’t magically disappear once the bullet is out of his body.

There are a lots of changes in how the brain work after antipsychotic use, you just recovered quickly because you were once psychotic and that mean your brain can produce way more dopamine than a non-psychotic person who is still suffering 19 months after the harm.

It’s like chemio, if you need it, it will help, you will have some side effects and benefits, but if you force someone without cancer to do chemio, can you imagine the harm you are doing to this person?

A researcher from universital hospital once told me “your brain’s receptors changed in expression because of the injections”.
 
Greatest thing I learned from this forum is some things just aren’t worth your time as some people may never be able to understand
 
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