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Jnowhere said:
Not in my humble opinion, I was hospitalized for 3 weeks in 2015 and the war start ed right before that.
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Okay so factually the war on drugs started in 2015 when you were hospitalized and didnt get the meds you wanted.... Helluva coincidence but if that is what you truly believe, sure.
Jnowhere said:
Too many recreational opiod abusers. like you.lol
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My guy I have never received a script from a doctor more than some hydro's for my wisdom teeth. Ppl with scripts selling they pills (Or giving them to me for sports) is how I got my opiates; that money paid for them to fill more scripts and rent... I have not affected your cause whatsoever. That is a strange ad hominem thing to say anyways i'll move on..
Jnowhere said:
Then Biden in 2022 or the auto pen made it so I have to piss in a cup and pay for it, to get my script.
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IDK how me biden autopen and you being reuired to piss in a cup is all connected----- but I promise you it is not. Check your math. Logic it out.

Not everyone who gets controlled meds is required a pisstest, why are you different? (This I will respond to only as I did ask a question)

Jnowhere said:
uYeah they the recreational users kept dying and the dems jumped on the idea of more opiod controll to take over our lives more.
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Well I didn't die so you aint talkin to me directly -- Damn those dems for cracking down on the leading cause of death age 18-25 when it changed from an arlready amazing # of car accidents to overdoses. Almost like they were trying to save lives and fix a problem. Bastards!!
Jnowhere said:
Besides do I need to bring up opiods and you?
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Sure drag me and my past through the mud I got nothing to hide and have been legal well over seven years.

Really though, didn't we learn anything from last time? Lets not do this. (Here at least).

I am going to "Highroad" this and not respond to you as you seem to have some strange mechanism where if logic does not work you just attack someone personally. Very much not my style.
 
Yeah, I need pain relief. I know that all that prescription drug abuse led to those ridiculous limits on opiods!!

It was during the Obama administration that all this started.

I am mad that so many people abused prescription opiods illegally to the point, that the Obama administration went to a war on pain patients.

When I say pain, I mean real pain and not being able to eat properly because of it.
Knowing that because Obama and a bunch of drug abusers have caused me needless suffering pisses me off.

I have two very bad conditions and it is drug abusers that cause us pain patients to pay the price. Especially in Michigan.

You should know the history of this state and opiods. This just gave the Democrat governor time to cut the nirmal morphine equivalent by 50% just after I got off morphine.

On my own. My choice. Now For years I need more. They are so stingy and the feds go after doctors to the point they are scarred.

I know some personally. They have horror stories about doctors getting arrested for acceptable amounts of opiods. But no Our governor is a follower and will do the lefts bidding.

Then those of us in bad shape suffer. Gee I wonder if after a decade my tolerance has gone up?

Luckily I am use to pain and manage but suffer because of the democrats anti prescription opiod crusade.

Yes, the republidums followed. But this
issue was started by the democrats.

Now old people in pain in many places in America have to go to methadone clinics to get any pain relief or bupe

I have read how fun they are to get off, of.
Also bupe apparently sucks for pain relief.
Sticking people permanently on opiods that don't pack a buzz but are hard as hell to get off, of?

I stated that this started during the Obama administration and I know I am right.

Yes I am pissed at all the people who abused these drugs but not as mad as I am at Obama opening the flood gates for states to think the lying( usually lawyers) politicians should have the power to scare doctors into not providing adequate pain relief.

I ain't dragging you through the mud.

Even though you were naive enough to try to think I didn't know you were trying to get even with me, with your DM's.

Try getting dirt on me? lol, I have been open about my issues.
 
Whitmer is a bitch and we agree there -- I did not know she cut the morphine equivalent by 50% but I believe you -- more context though? Like 5mgs is now worth 10mgs to limit doctors? (Clearest interpretation I could get)

of course your tolerance went up after 10 years, that is science not politics. As are opiate conversions -- wild move to change a medical standard! know what policy this was or when it happened .. seems like a medical overeach and a hafl .. not too surprising though.

What policy of Obama's makes you know you are correct about this starting in the Obama administration?? We need something factual.
Thank you for being civil or I would not have replied yet alone asked more questions

I think you are paranoid my man I dont have or want any dirt on you. I got nothin to get even for -- I lost my temper and went to a level I should be more disciplined than to go to -- thats on me not you.

Anything you have DM'd me will not be (AND HAS NOT BEEN) disclosed -- I would appreciate if you could do the same.
 
Mycophile said:
What do you mean that "opioids and kratom alkaloids make you more sensitive to pain"? Are you saying even after you get off them they somehow fuck up your brain so that you are in more pain and, if so, is that permanent? It can't be.

I mean I don't take Kratom every day but I haven't really noticed this effect. The only effect I've noticed is that I workout regularly and recently I've been on Kratom when I do it so days like today when I don't take it I suddenly remember that working out hurts a little and is hard lol, but otherwise I haven't noticed increased sensitivity to pain.

Your gonna get my anxiety and OCD running lol. I don't think that's going to happen to me, and if it ever did I don't think it would be permanent.
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Its very rare . They are telling this to chronic pain patients to get them off medicines that actually help them function. Pain medications help people function and live normal lives . The whole theory that it makes pain worse is not turning out to be true .
 
Jnowhere said:
Not in my humble opinion, I was hospitalized for 3 weeks in 2015 and the war start ed right before that.

Too many recreational opiod abusers. like you.lol Then Biden in 2022 or the auto pen made it so I have to piss in a cup and pay for it, to get my script.

uYeah they the recreational users kept dying and the dems jumped on the idea of more opiod controll to take over our lives more.

Besides do I need to bring up opiods and you?
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The "war on opioids" started far before 2015. My mother was a lifelong opiate user (part "recreational", part medical user) and had trouble getting a script starting circa ~2011 because the DEA was breathing down the neck of doctors.

Addiction isn't a pissing contest. Blaming "recreational users" for the government's war on drugs (of which opioids are only one of the more recent power grabs) is pointless. There's a very blurry, ill defined line between self medication of psychological issues and "recreation". Other addicts are not your enemy.
 
MikeEhrmantraut said:
I have been taking 16mg Bupe for a decade. It’s been a nightmare to try and taper down or even cold turkey. The half life is what makes it nearly impossible for me. My WDs do not set in for about 3-4 days. And there is no way I can miss a week or more of work.

Anyways.

This does sound like a miracle drug that I will most definitely look into before it eventually becomes illegal. We all know it will be big pharma pushing to make it illegal like they always do with things like this.
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I was forced to cold turkey 32mg bupe in the psych hospital… very uncomfortable
 
MikeEhrmantraut said:
I have been taking 16mg Bupe for a decade. It’s been a nightmare to try and taper down or even cold turkey. The half life is what makes it nearly impossible for me. My WDs do not set in for about 3-4 days. And there is no way I can miss a week or more of work.

Anyways.

This does sound like a miracle drug that I will most definitely look into before it eventually becomes illegal. We all know it will be big pharma pushing to make it illegal like they always do with things like this.
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I helped one of my friends detox off Suboxone with SR-17018 and it worked extremely well for them. Started the SR-17 and they were able to taper down to 0 mg Suboxone in 4 days without any acute withdrawals. Took the SR-17 for about another week and that was it.
 
PenguinWithNapalm said:
Fuuuck that’s rough. I had a hell of a time getting off of like under 1mg when I jumped. I cannot imagine cold turkeying that much bupe
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Ya I was forced to CT bupe, intermittent fent, and methamphetamine simultaneously. I fell into an incredibly psychotic state. The withdrawal wasn’t all that severe, but damn did it just keep going. I didn’t really sleep for 3 weeks. Fortunately they gave me clonazepam, gabapentin, and clonidine which I’m sure helped.

I had been using it at 32mg only for about 3 months but I was using it to come off a hefty opioid dependency. It definitely sucked. Being held against my will probably made it easier on some level because I just had to accept it.

I went back on it licitly after discharge and was on 16mg daily for 3 years. I recently weaned myself off with 7OH and pseudo. I walked all the way down and jumped at like 0.5mg/day. Unfortunately suboxone absolutely destroyed my dental health. At 33 I went from never having a single cavity to developing some 30 cavities in the first year alone.
 
aspiringchemist said:
Ya I was forced to CT bupe, intermittent fent, and methamphetamine simultaneously. I fell into an incredibly psychotic state. The withdrawal wasn’t all that severe, but damn did it just keep going. I didn’t really sleep for 3 weeks. Fortunately they gave me clonazepam, gabapentin, and clonidine which I’m sure helped.

I had been using it at 32mg only for about 3 months but I was using it to come off a hefty opioid dependency. It definitely sucked. Being held against my will probably made it easier on some level because I just had to accept it.

I went back on it licitly after discharge and was on 16mg daily for 3 years. I recently weaned myself off with 7OH and pseudo. I walked all the way down and jumped at like 0.5mg/day. Unfortunately suboxone absolutely destroyed my dental health. At 33 I went from never having a single cavity to developing some 30 cavities in the first year alone.
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Yep! Subs absolutely ruin your teeth. You have to put the films in a capsule and swallow them. You just have to take more because only 1/3 of the bupe get absorbed by swallowing but that’s a small price to pay imo. A little late now I guess but in the future if you ever go back.

I have had to cold turkey Xanax and heroin before and I was literally suicidal.

Where were you against your will again?
 
I doubt anyone else will relate to this observation, but let’s see what you think. If you have long term experience with both active addiction and multiple treatment centers, meetings and interaction with people who have struggled. This is an observation, not a stereotype or criticism. I have encountered many male opiate addicts over the years, and they all have exactly the same demeanor, same opinions and perception. They always know everything there is to know and will argue about something longer than necessary. The amount and frequency was always a badge of honor. There’s nothing wrong with this, i just find it fascinating how so many people become the same person after awhile
 
notsmokeymcpot42088 said:
Okay so factually the war on drugs started in 2015 when you were hospitalized and didnt get the meds you wanted.... Helluva coincidence but if that is what you truly believe, sure.


My guy I have never received a script from a doctor more than some hydro's for my wisdom teeth. Ppl with scripts selling they pills (Or giving them to me for sports) is how I got my opiates; that money paid for them to fill more scripts and rent... I have not affected your cause whatsoever. That is a strange ad hominem thing to say anyways i'll move on..

IDK how me biden autopen and you being reuired to piss in a cup is all connected----- but I promise you it is not. Check your math. Logic it out.

Not everyone who gets controlled meds is required a pisstest, why are you different? (This I will respond to only as I did ask a question)



Well I didn't die so you aint talkin to me directly -- Damn those dems for cracking down on the leading cause of death age 18-25 when it changed from an arlready amazing # of car accidents to overdoses. Almost like they were trying to save lives and fix a problem. Bastards!!


Sure drag me and my past through the mud I got nothing to hide and have been legal well over seven years.

Really though, didn't we learn anything from last time? Lets not do this. (Here at least).

I am going to "Highroad" this and not respond to you as you seem to have some strange mechanism where if logic does not work you just attack someone personally. Very much not my style.
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This is absolutely terrible, it’s disrespectful, ignorant and completely unnecessary. This is a prime example of how one person’s self hatred and inability to feel good about themselves unless it’s by bullying someone who already feels bad about themselves.

There are a few attempts to acknowledge the situation and accept the disrespect, but instead the anger simmers and boils over.
 
Stassi202 said:
This is absolutely terrible, it’s disrespectful, ignorant and completely unnecessary. This is a prime example of how one person’s self hatred and inability to feel good about themselves unless it’s by bullying someone who already feels bad about themselves.

There are a few attempts to acknowledge the situation and accept the disrespect, but instead the anger simmers and boils over.
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It actually was kind of necessary if you read the thread. Saying the drug war started in 2015 is wild --- I gave dude plenty of chances to explain what he meant by that - as it is factually untrue.

Perhaps some standards got stricter - if the governor really did decide morphine is TWICE as potent as the medical community has decided and stood by for decades ( The best I could make out of asking for clarification on how things changed in 2015 - which was a state thing not national btw)

Still I said if that is indeed what happened --- that is a wildly messed up thing to do and yea perhaps that affected his cause - which I empathized for.

When someone accuses me of dragging the entire system down -- is that not disrespectful? Again I have not affected this affected this persons cause at all - that is simply a factual rebuttal.

Did you read the thread? When someone threatens to drag my past through the mud I am going to respond strongly.

self hatred and inability to feel good about oneself - Hilariously wrong and I think your entire comment applies more to you than me?

Who here saw this as me bullying Jnowhere??

Not my intent at all and if that is how I came across I WILL APOLOGIZE. I think you graspin at air myself but I will wait.

@Jnowhere you feel bullied by me ?
 
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Stassi202 said:
I doubt anyone else will relate to this observation, but let’s see what you think. If you have long term experience with both active addiction and multiple treatment centers, meetings and interaction with people who have struggled. This is an observation, not a stereotype or criticism. I have encountered many male opiate addicts over the years, and they all have exactly the same demeanor, same opinions and perception. They always know everything there is to know and will argue about something longer than necessary. The amount and frequency was always a badge of honor. There’s nothing wrong with this, i just find it fascinating how so many people become the same person after awhile
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Stereotypes are awesome though. "Exactly the same demeanor opinions and perception" - very nuanced stuff that clearly comes from a place of great understanding.

So why did you come post in this thread again -- to take a cheap shot at me and say all opiate users have the same opinions. (Same opinions - also factually untrue; again you read this forum?)
 
notsmokeymcpot42088 said:
Stereotypes are awesome though. "Exactly the same demeanor opinions and perception" - very nuanced stuff that clearly comes from a place of great understanding.

So why did you come post in this thread again -- to take a cheap shot at me and say all opiate users have the same opinions. (Same opinions - also factually untrue; again you read this forum?)
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It’s an observation. Period.
 
Why do people fly off the handle so fast and take everything personally? I have no negative energy whatsoever and no malicious intent…my comments are based on facts and result from other experiences.
 
notsmokeymcpot42088 said:
Stereotypes are awesome though. "Exactly the same demeanor opinions and perception" - very nuanced stuff that clearly comes from a place of great understanding.

So why did you come post in this thread again -- to take a cheap shot at me and say all opiate users have the same opinions. (Same opinions - also factually untrue; again you read this forum?)
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Nope. No cheap shots. No disrespect. Dude I’ve been stuck in this for 25 years. Daily fentanyl habit finally kicked cold turkey 3 years ago but I replaced it with other shit. Try to be a little more open minded…I learned to stop caring what people say or think about me a long time ago. Stopped beating myself up. Now I’m just whatever…reacting isn’t worth it to me. I’ll just end the back and forth here to prevent any further damage. My bad
 
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