do you mean an extract or plain leaf? Cause if its plain leaf it could be explained by the alcohol pulling additional mit out of the powder that otherwise would be destroyed by your liver. Of course alcohol is psychoactive on its own, just a suggestion of a possibility why it may add to the effects of kratom moreso than other opioids.
No plain leaf ,never touch extracts
Interesting. That would make sense with my theory but not confirm it. Could also be body chemistry (maybe your personal liver enzymes? All just theories still) or other factors.
No I won't be trying extract any time soon ,from what I've heard it's a devil.Interesting. That would make sense with my theory but not confirm it. Could also be body chemistry (maybe your personal liver enzymes? All just theories still) or other factors.
It would narrow it down more (support my original hypothesis) if you didnt experience such a drastic addition of effects from an extract mixed with alcohol, though I absolutely am not recommending that since youre not already into extracts, just a thought
Yeah, extract is a slippery slope if you arent careful.
Yeh I need it to be stimulating for my morning dose just to wake me up and lift my moodYeah, extract is a slippery slope if you arent careful.
Your preference doesnt honestly make sense to me. Ive always had personal beef with stimulating opioids (kratom, and oxy when not in pain excluded). They always make me mad as fuck when im on them for pain, but thats a combomation of the baby doses they give me and the paradoxical stimulation that just makes me want to break shit, but hey, different strokes for different folks.
Ive never had DHC so I could like that, not really sure, and to clarify, I do enjoy basically all opioids, just the stimulating ones have a tendency to be VERY hit or miss for me.
Good to hear your experience with it though, jealous of your access to (im guessing OTC) DHC and codeine, hell, I'd buy pholcodin if it were available here
Damn, its a travesty that you dont feel the red strains, again though I guess it illustrates differences in body chemistry
I still feel it and it keeps wd away .Damn, its a travesty that you dont feel the red strains, again though I guess it illustrates differences in body chemistry
But DHC sounds actually wonderful
Thats the strat man. Keep your bar low, cause when it gets higher, its hard to enjoy anything other than complete oblivion (personal observation of my own habits)
I'd be cautious with this as it's not a validated or peer-reviewed method for producing 7-OH-mitragynine. Kitchen chemistry oxidations often generate complex byproducts that aren’t characterized, and the safety claims are shaky. Singlet oxygen handling, prolonged oxygen bubbling, and hot-plate drying can all create additional unknown oxidation products. Quercetin and citric acid don't guarantee safety and cannot retroactively make the reaction selective.
Do you know about 5,6-dichloro-desmethylchlorphine, aka: SR-17018? Here's a little bit of info… I think it's worth knowing about and spreading info about it, anyways:
So do you think that even once freebased, it'll have a lot of alkaloidal byproducts unsafe to consume? I kind of assumed that the Mitragynine citrate would come out to be goopy. And to be real its not exactly "black" more of a dark orange color that got somewhat harder to see when cooked down This orange lines up alright with my experience with freebase 7 oh
No, I'm just trying to be respectful of site rules. They don't want us discussing synthesis on here, and while I'm trying to make sure it's within the context of harm reduction, I'm not trying to push my luck. So I'll just say that I don't know how bad for you those oxidation species are, but it doesn't seem far fetched that they could be. Yes, chromatography would absolutely be a move in the right direction so you can isolate and purify and thus help ensure safety. You only just one body in life. Treat it well, take care of it. Don't take unnecessary risks with it for sure. Bee careful. One love.So do you think that even once freebased, it'll have a lot of alkaloidal byproducts unsafe to consume? I kind of assumed that the Mitragynine citrate would come out to be goopy. And to be real its not exactly "black" more of a dark orange color that got somewhat harder to see when cooked down This orange lines up alright with my experience with freebase 7 oh
I also didn't use isolated mit; i used like 65% mit total alkaloid extract, which definitely gave some byproducts
Mostly I wasnt worried about oxidant byproducts so much as the oxidizer itself, for the reason that everything you consume is going to oxidize in some way or another before you eat it, but are the oxidized products formed more toxic than the normal alkaloids?
Maybe adding ascorbic acid would help get rid of the remaining oxidant? Just kind of spitballing
I also have access to Chloroform, another documented quencher of singlet oxygen, but im not sure how much it would help after using 3 other quenchers
Still should probably freebase as then I could be sure (rose bengal isnt soluble in NPS)
Lastly; if the freebase step wouldnt result in a safe product; do you think that running it through a chromatography column would do the trick? Should only elute one compound at a time, no? To be real though I should just get one and run the TAE through it to isolate the mit prior to doing any chemistry with it.
Thanks for being so helpful and sorry for all the questions; feel free to tell me to fuck off lol.
Oh my bad man I thought it was ok as long as stuff was legal
I thought I had seen synthesis discussions on here before but it could have been ten other boards I frequent.
happy to report that when I went back to scrape it up it had somewhat hardened (what was exposed to air at least) and turned that tan color you mentioned. Looks almost exactly like brown sugar but slightly wetter and getting more golden in color as it dries. Kinda beautiful actually. Chromatography column on the way currently. Cant wait
what's a very low dose to you? I'd rather take 4g 3-4 times a day, seems best to me, but to each their own ofc.
