Will i see a decent government before i die?

[F.U.B.A.R.]

Does anyone actually believe the ban on new petrol and diesel cars will actually take affect in 2030?(if the date hasn't been changed)
Hybrids are exempt as far as im aware (and having one ourselves there no more than a gimmick)
I don't work in renewables but as far as I can gather cheaper electric rates are available through the night (off peak) which means everyone I know who charges there car also has fires up there washing machine ,dishwasher and tumble dryer and any thing else of benefit while sleeping
Apart from being a fire risk it turns off peak to on peak

Nah, I very much doubt it. EVs seem to be losing favour already.

They're too fuckin heavy, they're wrecking the roads and car parks, the batteries are an environmental disaster, and they sound shit.

The internal combustion engine will take a lot of beating. What they need to do is concentrate on developing a more sustainable fuel that requires little or no modification to the engine.

 

[Perkins : Reborn]

EV will always be the best option.

 

[Bleaney]

They do improve the air quality in our cities, and on the busiest, previously most polluting roads.

I read that Stockport has the highest percentage of domestic ownership of electric vehicles in the UK. Not sure how the business fleets are measuring up. But most courier companies, including Royal Mail, have updated their fleets to be running the vast majority of vehicles on electric already.

But they do cause environmental problems elsewhere. The mining of the components and minerals required to make the batteries is environmentally damaging, and the relatively short lifespan of these batteries, and the lack of environmentally friendly ways to dispose of them are all concerning issues. What's everyone going to do with the millions of huge, used, useless batteries in 5 - 10 years when they have reached the end of their life? Ship them all off to China or developing countries? For them to dispose of them, presumably in landfill sites?

Also the electricity required to power the things has environmental costs and could cause pollution elsewhere. Unless the energy is derived from clean, sustainable sources.

 

[Perkins : Reborn]

I meant Evey.

 

[lost weekend]

EV will always be the best option.

They improve the air quality in our cities, and on the busiest, previously most polluting roads.

But they do cause environmental problems elsewhere. The mining of the components and minerals required to make the batteries is environmentally damaging, and the relatively short lifespan of these batteries, and the lack of environmentally friendly ways to dispose of them are all concerning issues. What's everyone going to do with the millions of huge, used, useless batteries in 5 - 10 years when they have reached the end of their life? Ship them all off to China or developing countries? For them to dispose of them, presumably in landfill sites?

Also the electricity required to power the things has environmental costs and could cause pollution elsewhere. Unless the energy is derived from clean, sustainable sources.

It's not just cars ,I used to fit solar panels years ago when it was the feed in tariff under a labour government(the conservatives soon scrapped that scheme) batteries were just not viable back then ,now every home instal is fitted with battery packs where quite often the customer will have an extra pack installed later

 

[Bleaney]

It's not just cars ,I used to fit solar panels years ago when it was the feed in tariff under a labour government(the conservatives soon scrapped that scheme) batteries were just not viable back then ,now every home instal is fitted with battery packs where quite often the customer will have an extra pack installed later

Unless the solar panels are installed really well, they can wreck the integrity of the roofs they sit on, and contribute to leaking and damp problems that can be extremely difficult to fix.

I don't think I'd risk it. Although maybe if I was young it would be more worth the risk, as they could really pay off over time.

But due to my age now, I think I'd be well into my retirement before I'd even hit break even point, and am considering moving when I retire anyway. New chapter and all of that.

 

[new2drugs]

Does anyone actually believe the ban on new petrol and diesel cars will actually take affect in 2030?(if the date hasn't been changed)
Hybrids are exempt as far as im aware (and having one ourselves there no more than a gimmick)
I don't work in renewables but as far as I can gather cheaper electric rates are available through the night (off peak) which means everyone I know who charges there car also has fires up there washing machine ,dishwasher and tumble dryer and any thing else of benefit while sleeping
Apart from being a fire risk it turns off peak to on peak

Not a chance. Net zero is a scam and pipe dream. Ed milibrain is actually a danger to this country and could well bankrupt the whole country,, or add to our bills.

To be clear,,net zero should be a long term goal for the planet but it can't be rushed and the UK is certainly not to blame for pollution. ( Go to India for 5 mins ...more pollution than a year in UK.

 

[Perkins : Reborn]

Zero profit on Sentia?

 

[lost weekend]

You've missed the boat on that one ,back in 2007/8 the fit tarrif for exporting back to grid was as high as 50 pence per unit if I remember right.
A 4 kw install would have taken 8 years to pay for itself and your tarrif was index linked .
We fitted one for my father in law and he gets a 200 pound check or so every quarter plus free hotwater in the summer as the panels directly start heating immersion when making 3 kw.
It was only the rich who could afford the initial cost

 

[new2drugs]

Zero profit on Sentia?

Hopefully. Needs ditched .. maybe hes run out flowers and orange peel.

 

[lost weekend]

People in the smaller cities where's its possible to get about with very little traffic will never give up there cars and opt for public transport.
The car is an extension of themselves
What gets me is my van isn't lez compliant yet it has a small engine and is economical yet someone with a giant engine who burns more fossil fuel than me even if its lower emissions can go where they like

 

[lost weekend]

Sorry last rant
The first people to get ev chargers tend to be the ones who have made a comfortable living in a boiler suit pumping oil out the North Sea .Oh the ironing lol
It used to be the oil industry now it's the energy sector, sounds better,cleaner
Also we are decommissioning and Norway are still drilling in the same basin

 

[new2drugs]

People in the smaller cities where's its possible to get about with very little traffic will never give up there cars and opt for public transport.
The car is an extension of themselves
What gets me is my van isn't lez compliant yet it has a small engine and is economical yet someone with a giant engine who burns more fossil fuel than me even if its lower emissions can go where they like

Lez is only there to make money.. nothing to do with the environment

 

[lost weekend]

Lez is only there to make money.. nothing to do with the environment

Yeh with that and bus gate fines our council was quick to announce revenue they'd recieved ,all going back into more cycle lanes etc.
I'm not against having a clean environment, no one is but it's killed our high street stone dead ,even the big American style shopping malls are feeling the pinch

 

[new2drugs]

Yeh with that and bus gate fines our council was quick to announce revenue they'd recieved ,all going back into more cycle lanes etc.
I'm not against having a clean environment, no one is but it's killed our high street stone dead ,even the big American style shopping malls are feeling the pinch

Speed cameras are not for safety (apart from maybe outside schools). Money

Lez is not about the environment - money

Parking tickets are slightly different in that they do actually stop a town centre getting gridlocked or encourage people to take a bus , still after money on the day though.

 

[lost weekend]

Speed cameras are not for safety (apart from maybe outside schools). Money

Lez is not about the environment - money

Parking tickets are slightly different in that they do actually stop a town centre getting gridlocked or encourage people to take a bus , still after money on the day though.

The crazy thing is I can still get to where I want to go without entering the lez zones but I have to drive 5 miles further ,as does everybody else who isn't compliant .
Tbh I ain't bothered it's a good excuse to stay out the city

 

[new2drugs]

The crazy thing is I can still get to where I want to go without entering the lez zones but I have to drive 5 miles further ,as does everybody else who isn't compliant .
Tbh I ain't bothered it's a good excuse to stay out the city

Yea but as time goes on it the older vehicles will be phased out

 

[Perkins : Reborn]

Do you see many 20+ year old cars on the road anyway? Only hobbyists really.

 

[lost weekend]

Yea but as time goes on it the older vehicles will be phased out

Speed cameras are not for safety (apart from maybe outside schools). Money

Lez is not about the environment - money

Parking tickets are slightly different in that they do actually stop a town centre getting gridlocked or encourage people to take a bus , still after money on the day though.

Do you see many 20+ year old cars on the road anyway? Only hobbyists really.

Know doubt when the time comes for the switch over from fossil to ev the government will offer incentives, I always tend to think they benefit those with the financial means .
Air source heat pumps being an example, sure you could get a grant for the pump but if your home isn't insulated to death there a waste of time ,so that rules me out

 

[Perkins : Reborn]

We're only creeping towards annihilation of everybody. Not everything, certainly. But everybody.