Then went back left in 2004 when Blair opened the floodgates
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Perkins : Reborn
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Yes, when he started ragging on asylum seekers.
Oh, and the small matter of continuing to support and take part in US wars.
Oh, and the small matter of continuing to support and take part in US wars.
Yea..I'm sure leaving sadam alone would have been popular as well.... So he's left wing and supported the war?
Perkins : Reborn
Bluelighter
Saddam was a psychopath, yes. But the way we went about removing him was crazy.
I'm not sure what you mean by the second statement. Nobody ever said Blair was left wing. I think @Shambles said quite the opposite. As does every political commentator except some Conservatives and the far right.
I'm not sure what you mean by the second statement. Nobody ever said Blair was left wing. I think @Shambles said quite the opposite. As does every political commentator except some Conservatives and the far right.
I'm saying there were left wing or centre..but not right wing
Perkins : Reborn
Bluelighter
I honestly don't understand you. Your question was 'so he was left wing and supported the war?' Which implies that if he was left wing he wouldn't support the war. Now you're saying they were left wing or centre.
They were right wing from 1995 onwards; just right wing lite. Like the One Nation Tories.
They were right wing from 1995 onwards; just right wing lite. Like the One Nation Tories.
I don't think they were right wing ..
Perkins : Reborn
Bluelighter
Well I'd hate to see what kind of right wing party would satisfy you.
I didn't say anything about satisfying me, im simply saying they were not right wing.
Reform are right wing
Perkins : Reborn
Bluelighter
You claimed that post-2004 Labour veered to the left.
They were centre right at best. If you think 2004 Labour was left, then by definition, you have right wing sympathies.
Was referring to opening up the borders in 2004. Kind of a left wing thing to do
Perkins : Reborn
Bluelighter
They'd already ditched Clause 5 in 1995. Clause 5 was about the only leftist policy they had left.
But I see for you, it's all about immigration. And what have the Tories done to address immigration during their tenure. Fuck all. In fact increased it.
But I see for you, it's all about immigration. And what have the Tories done to address immigration during their tenure. Fuck all. In fact increased it.
Yea I know the Tories were useless. Try find me a government that aren't useless.
That was going right - free movement is designed to keep wages low. If a country goes too far to the left and starts paying decent wages it attracts thousands of workers from other countries and drives wages back down - keeps the rightwing happy. That was the whole point of it. Thats why after Brexit the tories fetched a million Africans and Asians across every year - wages must be driven down so the rich can keep all the money.
Left wing labour ended in 1976 with the IMF bailout - since then billionaires have been dictating policy. Coincidentally enough the 70s were the last time living standards increased for average people.
Labour are centre right. Reform is far right. I honestly don’t see why this is a difficult concept for you
Do some basic research of political theory and maybe you can make a coherent point rather than just ranting about “bloody foreigners”
ageingpartyfiend
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well if Reform are 'far right' then wtf does that make Restore? Off the scale?
how long will it be until BL's Reform contingent make the jump?
how long will it be until BL's Reform contingent make the jump?
Bleaney
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And what would that have made Hitler and his Third Reich?
But tbf obviously it's all relative to today's norms in the UK, with some especially relatively recent UK history for perspective, and I guess that's what we're going off to frame things.
Maybe @new2drugs is confused because Labour were nominally a left wing party, not all that long ago, and still have left wing factions, or individuals, AFAIK, but since Blair they have veered much further to the 'centre right.'
If the tabloid media had not done a character assassination on Jeremy Corbyn, the Labour party could have veered to the relatively hard left instead.
A Simple Twist Of Fate, as Bob Dylan wrote about, meant that was not to be the case.
But tbf obviously it's all relative to today's norms in the UK, with some especially relatively recent UK history for perspective, and I guess that's what we're going off to frame things.
Maybe @new2drugs is confused because Labour were nominally a left wing party, not all that long ago, and still have left wing factions, or individuals, AFAIK, but since Blair they have veered much further to the 'centre right.'
If the tabloid media had not done a character assassination on Jeremy Corbyn, the Labour party could have veered to the relatively hard left instead.
A Simple Twist Of Fate, as Bob Dylan wrote about, meant that was not to be the case.
Perkins : Reborn
Bluelighter
@new2drugs is a troll and a failed shill. Nobody wants your Sentia. Now go and fucking drown in the shit. You should have more than enough.
You make a very valid point. I’d suggest the Overton Window shifted so far to the right since Labour veered rightwards that it’s frankly cocked-up our normal political vocabulary.
I’d put it as:
Your Party = far left
Green Party = centre left
Lib Dem’s = centre right
Labour = little bit further right of the centre right
Conservatives = firmly right of centre right
Reform = far right
Restore = just outright fascist
It really is exhausting all this never ending rightward drift in politics around the world though. We’re literally running out of superlatives to describe ever further right wing parties
I’d widen that to the Reform electorate in general. Restore are obviously only ever gonna take votes from Reform so on one level I couldn’t care less…
… but on the wider issue of consistent rightward drift in British politics it’s genuinely concerning. The Reform voter base are at least not entirely racist. Mostly racist, for sure, but not entirely.
Restore are as close to a mask-off fascist party as we’ve seen since the literal British fascist party. The fact this is even a viable proposition to form is deeply, deeply concerning
Will be interesting to hear from our lone Reform voter as to how he responds to Restore…
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ageingpartyfiend
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I've literally heard of two local-to-me people irl today who have joined Restore. They've never been a member of a political party previously, and have never even voted. They are in their 50's.
If they can take votes from Reform (a few local not-to-me, thank fuck, councilors have already jumped ship) and mobilise a good proportion of the never-voteds they're gonna make waves for sure. Hopefully small ones, because the Lowe speech I heard made my blood run cold.