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What are you listening to? Part XXX - Sexxxy tunes for sexxxy folks

Perkins : Reborn said:
Here's an early one about Johnny Thunders.

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Not that anyone is probably in the least bit interested, but I tried as best as I could to sync this track with Fleetwood Mac's Dreams. (Edit) The bassline in the verse is so similar that they cancel each other out if you listen to both tracks at the same time.

I'd love to be able to sync the tracks up precisely, and also be able to hear both baselines at the same time.

The Replacements have seemingly 'deconstructed' the bassline notes and rhythm from Dreams and reconstructed it in their own style. There's no copyright against using the same notes and timings and drum fills etc, if they are performed in a completely different style. Which is what they did, and it's interesting what they did there. I wonder if they were just doodling around playing Dreams one time, and kind of improvised things from there, or if any similarities are accidental. It seems to me that the similarities are far too strong for it to be an accident or co-incidence.
 
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Bleaney said:
Not that anyone probably is in the least bit interested, but I tried as best as I could to sync this track with Fleetwood Mac's Dreams. The bassline is so identical that they cancel each other out if you listen to both tracks at the same time.

I'd love to be able to sync the tracks up precisely, and also be able to hear both baselines at the same time.

The Replacements have seemingly 'deconstructed' the bassline notes and rhythm from Dreams and reconstructed it in their own style. There's no copyright against using the same notes and timings and drum fills etc, if they are performed in a completely different style. Which is what they did, and it's interesting what they did there. I wonder if they were just doodling around playing Dreams one time, and kind of improvised things from there, or if any similarities are accidental. It seems to me that the similarities are far too strong for it to be an accident or co-incidence.
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They sound nothing alike. Nothing. Except maybe the verse sounds vaguely like the verse of Dreams, but that's a well worn progression, and not even the same.

Different tempo, different resolution. Different song.

The Replacements would never pay tribute to Fleetwood Mac.
 
Perkins : Reborn said:
They sound nothing alike. Nothing. Except maybe the verse sounds vaguely like the verse of Dreams, but that's a well worn progression, and not even the same.

Different tempo, different resolution. Different song.

The Replacements would never pay tribute to Fleetwood Mac.
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I should have made it clearer that I was referring purely to the verse.
 
I'm talking about the bassline only, and both tracks are using the same base notes; F and G.

AFAIK you can't play minor notes on a base. Although some bassists do play chords, but it doesn't sound to me, like that's the case here.

I should probably drop this, as it's not going to go anywhere.
 
Bleaney said:
I'm talking about the bassline only, and both tracks are using the same base notes; F and G.

AFAIK you can't play minor notes on a base. Although some bassists play chords but it doesn't sound like that's the case here.

I should probably drop this, as it's not going to go anywhere.
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So a song written in F minor is fundamentally the same as a song in F major?

And for the record, you can play minor chords on the bass.
 
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No of course not. We're talking at cross purposes here. I have nothing further to add.
 
In Bass lines one generally sticks to to root and 5th notes of a given scale "on beat". Since the difference between major and minor scale is determined by the third note (whether natural or flat) of a scale, these are generally avoided "on beat" The third can be and is often used as a passing tone between "beat" notes and can also used "on beat" for accent when appropriate.

If one avoids expressing the third explicitly a bass line is "major/minor" neutral and therefore the same.
 
Cheshire_Kat said:
In Bass lines one generally sticks to to root and 5th notes of a given scale "on beat". Since the difference between major and minor scale is determined by the third note (whether natural or flat) of a scale, these are generally avoided "on beat" The third can be and is often used as a passing tone between "beat" notes and can also used "on beat" for accent when appropriate.

If one avoids expressing the third explicitly a bass line is "major/minor" neutral and therefore the same.
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So do you think Dreams by Fleetwood Mac is more or less identical to Johnny's Gonna Die by The Replacements?
 
Bleaney said:
Not that anyone is probably in the least bit interested, but I tried as best as I could to sync this track with Fleetwood Mac's Dreams. (Edit) The bassline in the verse is so similar that they cancel each other out if you listen to both tracks at the same time.

I'd love to be able to sync the tracks up precisely, and also be able to hear both baselines at the same time.

The Replacements have seemingly 'deconstructed' the bassline notes and rhythm from Dreams and reconstructed it in their own style. There's no copyright against using the same notes and timings and drum fills etc, if they are performed in a completely different style. Which is what they did, and it's interesting what they did there. I wonder if they were just doodling around playing Dreams one time, and kind of improvised things from there, or if any similarities are accidental. It seems to me that the similarities are far too strong for it to be an accident or co-incidence.
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You got Suno Bleaney? You can rent a cheapo version for £6 a month - just tellnit what kind of track you want "drum like bonham over a punk bass line" and it makes you a track - great too.
 
Ismene2 said:
You got Suno Bleaney? You can rent a cheapo version for £6 a month - just tellnit what kind of track you want "drum like bonham over a punk bass line" and it makes you a track - great too.
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No. Not tried that yet, but I probably will at some point.

Because now you mention it, the Jesus and Mary Chain album called "Automatic" has several great tracks, like this one for example



But imho that track, and the entire album, is spoiled somewhat by a super tinny lightweight drum machine type of sound. I think it would be loads better if the drums were beefier and if they "Hit it a bit 'arder!" as Mark E Smith of The Fall was heard exclaiming to his band when trying to get the sound just right in one of the many takes of "Blindness"

I think they had got it pretty solidly banging by this point: When they turn the volume up on the base at 33 seconds, and it really kicks in with a super heavy sound, they aren't half smashing the base and drums!



It is something I'd like to experiment with. I'd tell it to drum in the style of the Blindness track, but to keep the timings etc of the JAMC recordings, and if it's capable of doing such a thing that would be pretty cool.
 
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