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Will i see a decent government before i die?

Perkins : Reborn said:
And the NEC blocks Burnham.
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It’s not like they can even claim he was too much of a Lefty rabble rouser as they did with Corbyn. Andy Burnham is as moderate left as it gets - a Blairite through and through.

Seems to me this was purely a case of paranoia that he might’ve proven popular enough to have challenged Starmer for the leadership.

Disgusting abuse of central powers and a prime example of why Labour need to go at the next election imo.
 
Very true. I reckon next election will be Tories and Reform in coalition. Pretending like they’re actually different parties.

Reckon Greens will do decently, maybe also the Lib Dems. Think Your Party have thoroughly screwed the pooch and will be a distant last place.

Not the results I want, obviously, but the ones I’m bracing for :\
 
Shambles said:
Very true. I reckon next election will be Tories and Reform in coalition. Pretending like they’re actually different parties.

Reckon Greens will do decently, maybe also the Lib Dems. Think Your Party have thoroughly screwed the pooch and will be a distant last place.

Not the results I want, obviously, but the ones I’m bracing for :\
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I don't know how many Tory MPs would want to be part of an unapologetic right wing party. Some? Sure. But I can see some resistance.

Your Party would struggle to even get the student vote right now.
 
Perkins : Reborn said:
I don't know how many Tory MPs would want to be part of an unapologetic right wing party. Some? Sure. But I can see some resistance.
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Whilst more moderate Tories will definitely want to put distance between traditional Conservatism and the more far right of Reform, I honestly think pragmatism will win out. Just so long as they’re in power they’ll accept Reform as a governing partner imo.
 
Shambles said:
Whilst more moderate Tories will definitely want to put distance between traditional Conservatism and the more far right of Reform, I honestly think d pragmatism will win out. Just so long as they’re in power they’ll accept Reform as a governing partner imo.
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Depends on what kind of Tory leader we get. Badenoch is obviously useless and possibly a token non white leader.

Reform would require a man.
 
Perkins : Reborn said:
And the NEC blocks Burnham.

www.theguardian.com

‘Huge mistake’: Labour in turmoil as Burnham blocked from byelection race

Allies of Greater Manchester mayor say No 10 has ‘chosen factionalism’ as decision leads to a furious backlash
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
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There's a mixed response to this on some political commentaries on youtube. With some saying it'll backfire on Starmer as polling suggests that Reform will take the by-election seat, unless Burnham is the Labour candidate. Or even possibly the Greens, possibly putting Labour in 3rd place!

But, Starmer appears to have been in a no win situation, as despite his bullshit about 'the people of Manchester do not want to be inconvenienced with another mayoral election', polling suggests that it does seem likely that if Burnham had vacated the mayorship, then a Reform candidate may have won the mayorship of Manchester!

Some pundits are having a dig at Burnham, others having a dig at Starmer.

What seems clear is that Burnham's personal popularity has been increasing, (with an increasing share of the vote for his second mayoral term,) but this is most definitely not the case for the Labour party as a whole, and specifically Starmer himself is extremely unpopular.
 
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Bleaney said:
There's a mixed response to this on some political commentaries on youtube. With some saying it'll backfire on Starmer as polling suggests that Reform will take the by-election seat, unless Burnham is the Labour candidate. Or even possibly the Greens, possibly putting Labour in 3rd place!

But, Starmer appears to have been in a no win situation, as despite his bullshit about 'the people of Manchester do not want to be inconvenienced with another mayoral election', polling suggests that it does seem likely that if Burnham had vacated the mayorship, then a Reform candidate may have won the mayorship of Manchester!

Some pundits are having a dig at Burnham, others having a dig at Starmer.

What seems clear is that Burnham's personal popularity has been increasing, (with an increasing share of the vote for his second mayoral term,) but this is most definitely not the case for the Labour party as a whole, and specifically Starmer himself is extremely unpopular.
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Last time Burnham got elected it was a huge majority; 420,749 votes in total. Reform got 49,532 votes, which was less than all independents combined.

It'd take one hell of a swing for Reform to win the mayorship.

Plus the majority of Reform 'supporters' can't even be arsed to actually vote rather than just complain. So they might mouth off in a street poll, but they're watching Love Island on election day.

There's a reason that the Tories only bother to send lame / junior candidates to elections in Manchester.
 
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yeah the Tories stand no chance in The Republic of Manchester. But Starmer is very deeply unpopular.

Just maybe unpopular enough for enough Reform or Green voters to actually bother to vote. Especially seeing as the blocking of Burnham can easily be interpreted as a sign of weakness on Starmer's part.

I know Labour usually win most Manchester seats by landslides, but with all the machinations regarding this particular by-election, things could be different.

Starmer needs to be sent a message. This is the opportunity.
 
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I've said it before, and I'll say it again...

No-one that wants to be in power, deserves to be in power. They are only in the game to masturbate their egos.

None of them give a fuck about me or thee, they're just career cunts through and through.

Dump me on a desert island with a lifetime supply of booze, drugs, and porn, and I'll be happy... :\
 
Bleaney said:
yeah the Tories stand no chance in The Republic of Manchester. But Starmer is very deeply unpopular.

Just maybe unpopular enough for enough Reform or Green voters to actually bother to vote. Especially seeing as the blocking of Burnham can easily be interpreted as a sign of weakness on Starmer's part.

I know Labour usually win most Manchester seats by landslides, but with all the machinations regarding this particular by-election, things could be different.

Starmer needs to be sent a message. This is the opportunity.
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Perhaps.

But I'd much rather the message be sent outside my constituency!

Looking at the candidates, the Tories aren't bothering and the Reform guy is righter than right. Which is a great idea if you're standing in Longsight. Also lives in London. The only candidate from outside Greater Manchester so far.

So Libs / Greens may stand a chance of at least second place.

Take the Palestinian situation into consideration and that may certainly erode the Labour vote. The only worry is that'll boost the Workers Party. Which includes a number of Hamas apologists.

But that may in turn boost the Libs or the Greens. I think the majority of Reform support would come from Gorton.

If you've never been to Gorton, it was the initial location for Shameless before they purpose built an equally grim set.
 
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Perkins : Reborn said:
Perhaps.

But I'd much rather the message be sent outside my constituency!

Looking at the candidates, the Tories aren't bothering and the Reform guy is righter than right. Which is a great idea if you're standing in Longsight. Also lives in London. The only candidate from outside Greater Manchester so far. So Libs / Greens may stand a chance of at least second place.

Take the Palestinian situation into consideration and that may certainly erode the Labour vote. The only worry is that'll boost the Workers Party. Which includes a number of Hamas apologists.
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At least you're not in Birmingham mate...


www.telegraph.co.uk

I saw council candidate jailed for terrorism. Voters have a right to know about his past

He served five years for conspiring to bomb the British Consulate in Yemen and now Shahid Butt wants to serve on Birmingham city council
www.telegraph.co.uk www.telegraph.co.uk



Fuckin madness!
 
F.U.B.A.R. said:
At least you're not in Birmingham mate...


www.telegraph.co.uk

I saw council candidate jailed for terrorism. Voters have a right to know about his past

He served five years for conspiring to bomb the British Consulate in Yemen and now Shahid Butt wants to serve on Birmingham city council
www.telegraph.co.uk www.telegraph.co.uk



Fuckin madness!
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All the guy needs to do is crawl round part of Brum with a Palestinian flag up his arse, quoting from The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, and he'll bag a few thousand votes.
 
Greens only bothered with a leaflet featuring a bar chart that at first glance puts them in second place with the slogan "Only the Greens can stop Reform".

On closer inspection all it shows is that they were set to increase their vote share by 11% according to a poll in January, whereas Reform were due a 13% boost. Labour were shown as -21% which is a big loss but would still win the election. They walked it last time even with a 16% loss.

Pretty disappointing that they'd stoop to something sensationalised and potentially misleading for those who pay it less scrutiny.
 
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