the band swirlies reminds me of wu tang clan

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they give me this hopeless but relaxed feeling. i don't know what it is about certain music. it almost sounds like something is going wrong. and for this thread i'm talking about the genius "liquid swords" era of wu tang, and method man's first release "tical", also a great deal of raekwon "only built for cuban lynx", odb's first release is pretty crazy too, a bit harder, but still was like a dream for the first time i listened and some other listens.






also the band Polvo has a cool song where the synth reminds me of a lot of method man's "tical" album. a lot of polvos music just rocks, some is really dreamy and other songs like this just have a bizarre depressing feel



i'd definitely recommend checking out polvo's entire career from start to finish. they put their guitars in some of the most bizarre but familiar sounding tunings. that is my favorite swirlies song though. their career can get kind of monotonous, but i definitely like it and can see myself listening to all their work again.
 
my comment about the music sounding like something is going wrong has gotten me thinking about a lot of different music. today i remembered my experience listening to the song "23" by elizebeth colour wheel. i was on acid when i first heard this song. at first it starts off enjoyable, still a little bit depressing but with a feeling of hope or good, like it's chill to listen to. the guy has a cool rock voice, nothing bad going on. so about three minutes into the song, the music breaks up, gets slower. a girl sings. it's pretty melancholy, getting a little more depressing... so when the guitar at 4:05 comes in. this shit fucks with my head so bad. it's like the end of civilization or something. when i first heard this, it was not enjoyable at all to me. like i look back on it and like it sounds like cool music, like there is an instrumental feel... i'm even a big fan of a lot of hardcore and metal, but the girl screaming. i remember hearing it sound like "i hate this"," and i thought that was all she was saying. shit fucked with my head... then it goes back into the rock singing for the end of the song, and it's like everything is alright. this song was a lot for me to handle. i should have posted it in the songs you can feel in your bones thread.

 
i listened and watched this video for the last three days once a day. i have to say i get a different feeling from it comparing it to the above music. i haven't thought to watch this video since like 2017 ish, in a time when i was using a lot of acid. i remember watching this and getting the weirdest feeling, like calm, but death was coming. like the band elizabeth colour wheel freaked me out, but this stuff just put me at peace. like but in a kind of bad way too, i don't want to explain why... watch at your own risk, the band Seely early in their career, sounds like death is coming church sacrament or something...



to me wu tang clan and swirlies kind of sound like life and living, but in some kind of weird pain. this recording of Seely sounds like death is coming, definitely. i'm glad i forgot about this and can remember it again. it doesn't hit me as hard now, but in 2017 i was getting this feeling like i heard it before and it just sounded so much like death to me... i'm enjoying it still.

Seely also has a couple albums they recorded in studios that i don't think are as special sounding, but they are still good and entertaining. there is a lot of synthesizer keyboard stuff with the guitars and the guitar gets a little more advanced from what i remember. not my favorite, but definitely still cool.
 
i've still been thinking about indie and rock music that reminds me of that dark wu tang feel ever since i made this thread. i've actually been comparing rock and modern music to hip hop compared to classic rock since i first heard the Wu in like third grade... here's an indie song by Low that i've decided imo has a classic wu tang feel. it's actually indie rock, but i can imagine rap over the beat:



i've been thinking about posting that since i started this thread. i think it might be even more noticably hip hop related than swirlies and polvo the originally bands i posted about.

i heard chet baker the jazz singer on the radio the other night and it made me think about him again and how it's got a pretty dark feel to it.

But what hit me like an epiphany yesterday, i probably thought about it before is that if a persons favorite ODB song is this:


(starts about 18 minutes into the album if you tube doesn't link directly to the song)

If that's a person's favorite ODB song then there is a great chance that they are going to get the same vibe from this indie folk artist Cat Power's song (i posted this in the female artists thread too if anybody noticed):


(song starts 5.40 seconds into the album.

Both of those songs go at it pretty hardcore imo. hits me in the weirdest way. i like how O.D.B. goes "fly for you to feel what you wants to feel" and
"when you stimulate your own mind for one common cause you see who's the real mother fucker" if anybody doesn't get that second quote, i think it's funny how they talk about the five percent nation from whatever religion that that is. fucks with my head. if i read about that correctly the religion says only five percent of people are able to find god or that they know the truth or whatever, then 10 percent of the world is evil and the rest of the world is just people that don't know... i don't mean to diss people that might be unenlightened, but that religions thought always gives me faith about whether or not i'm crazy. i love the wu.


also in this thread i kind of said that classic rock music doesn't have the dark feel and there is more modern music that is darker or scary, but "don't fear the reaper" by blue oyster cult kind of reminds me of Wu too. lol.

anyways, just thought i'd promote some dark music. maybe i'll try to think of some other stuff to update in this thread. i posted on a board where a lot of the fan base listened to "screamo" kind of metal music and wu tang exclusively, but screamo doesn't really give me the same vibes as wu. they are pretty close, but there is something different about them. can't really put my finger on the difference in emotions. i like them both, but they are some how different to me... anyways, hope some of ya'll can get in my head a bit and maybe understand what i feel.... i like a lot of other more peaceful positive music too. lol. but a lot of the time in life i find myself listening to dark jams.
 
this thread is about rock music that hits me like the dark ambient old school keyboard/synth feel of early wu tang... i mentioned only liking the first of each artists in the group's releases. i didn't even mention in this thread that the first wu release "enter the 36 chambers" doesn't really have the bizarre what i'd call ambient feel that sounds kind of evil to me that the genius album "liquid swords" and method man's "tical" has at certain points, "only built for cuban linx" by raekwon goes pretty hard too, some of my favorite wu tang tracks are on that. i don't know if it's evil, but the high lights on these albums sound like something is going wrong to me, and it's just lo fi keyboards. shit drove me insane when i heard it in third grade and all through out my life listening up until 40 and probably beyond. i like the first wu tang album, and think it's great. it's a lot of people's favorites, but the high lights of the wu tang albums i mentioned have their own specific feel.

through out this thread there are indie rock groups that remind me of the going wrong or maybe evil feel of the albums "tical", "liquid swords," and "only built for cuban linx"... i didn't really delve into pop punk though. i honestly don't think a lot of pop punk i like would appeal to the sound of wu tang listeners, but the shoegaze sound of swirllies and the live video of the band seely that i posted in this thread i think have the same vibe as wu tang. seely is kind of slower indie rock than swirlies, but swirlies sounds evil as shit to me so i think that relates to wu... an album by a shoegaze style indie rock band from the 80's that a lot of wu tang fans that enjoy the style i describe would tolerate would be "loveless" by my bloody valentine. i think it has a deep ambient feel, but i think it lacks any type of hatred or evil swirlies, seely, and Wu has. "loveless" by my bloody valentine is super ambient though... another crazy song is "katy song" by red house painters". when i think of how that red house painters song makes me feel like Wu, i have to say confusion is also added into the emotion. when the underlying guitar comes in about half way through "katy song" i have no idea what is going on. "katy song" and seely remind me of god coming to judge us as revelation, like if god made himself known to all people and decided to just not be very nice but wanted to appear to be beautiful, it would be that music. i'm not sure if that was the intent of the artists. anyways, i want to talk about pop punk and get away from the indie rock genres i've been posting about in this thread.

i wanted to post some pop punk and describe the feeling of WU:


this song drives me insane the same way wu does. the music catches my attention but also washes over me... i don't think it really has the same ambient feel of wu tang though. i don't know if it has the same emotional wave length at times. this may come across as a juvenile attempt at music, but this is a strong point on the punk o' rama compilation series that i believe was probably over looked as some of the other bands in the series were more popular. punk o' rama compilations were sold at the hot topic stores through out the late 90's and early 2000's... like i said, i don't think this song should be brought to the attention of all wu fans persay, but this song hits:





what reminded me of this thread being posted and deciding to update it was going through the album by the pop punk band Drexel for the millionth time and deciding to skip to my high light tracks. i've done this before and i don't always have this thought process, but i listen to this track which i always think has the wu tang feel:



^^^^^^^listening to this track, i really have the feeling of Wu like something is going wrong. i think the guitar has a lot of octave chords which can sometimes give a wu tang like feel, but that's definitely not a given with octave chords. there isn't a lot of power chords like the above song by the band okser. i don't know if that's what makes it different. i think both of the artists are probably having pretty similar muses when making the music. i'd probably say drexel's track is objectively more melodic. i like evil and melodic. i really feel like "i don't give a fuck" when listening to that track by osker, but it's kind of fun. i'm not sure... "the only one" by drexel is kind of like " i hate my life", but in a way that makes me feel uplifted (EDIT: i wrote uplifted, but i want to seperate "uplifted" from "fun" which i describe the other track. "uplifted" should maybe read "spiritual" or even "fucked up" lol).


here is another track by drexel on the same album that i don't think is really wu tang clan related. i hear so much hope when listening the lyrics "gone some where where you belong". when the lyrics "see all your friends" is going on, it's kind of chaotic,, but this is a feel good track. the track "the only one" by drexel is darker, darkness is the Wu i like... this track isn't Wu to me... way too much hope... i'm not sure if i ever even realized it until trying to write this thread, i probably have, but i feel like the below track and the first track i posted by the band osker have some hope or maybe the osker song doesn't give a fuck, like they are both pretty bizarre and weird, but i'm not sure if it's really the same thing as Wu. i question whether or not the sound of wu tang is not giving a fuck. i find wu tang to be deeply concerning, it's not fun, but it will bring the right person to a higher level with it's sound.... here is "walden pond" by drexel. not entirely a Wu track:







to get into the Wu, "tical" the song is probably the darkest song on method man's "tical" album, but the album is just bizarre and awesome pretty much the whole way through. i find it at least tolerable:





"investigative reports" by the genius is also another super deep track.... with out the subject of drugs and how fucked up the world is, this is a deeply meditative track, but with the thoughts of how fucked up everything is and hearing this first in grade school and having older drug addicted relatives, this was fucked up for me:





i mentioned the album "loveless" speaking of shoegaze style indie rock and comparing it to the wu,,, i really have to stress, yes it has the same ambient feel, but it doesn't feel like something is going wrong..... idk.



i also mentioned i liked all the first releases by all the wu tang members best, but ghostface's first release and bobby digital's album are not good to me at all. can't listen to that shit. too much fun, not down with funky hip hop a lot of the time... i thought ghostface and raekwon were the same dude for years. idk. i know a lot of people love ghostface and new ghostface albums. i don't enjoy any of his albums, but he has some strong verses on a lot of the albums i mentioned, like his verse on the song "investigative reports" posted above is one of my favorite verses of hip hop. i can't get into his solo stuff though.
 
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i'm sure people can find people on reddit that are big into the genre of "screamo" music which is an emo related genre. emo is a subgrenre of alternative/indie rock. screamo is a more aggressive version of these genres.

anyways, a lot of people that are into screamo like the early Wu tang i described. i've been observing this on the internet for years...


some people that like screamo and wu listen to screamo like this stuff, the band pg 99... i think this stuff is annoying as fuck. i don't get how people like this, but they are one of the more popular screamo bands... idk, shit is pretty dark and evil,, but doesn't have the ambience of wu tang that i love... here is pg 99, a band that isn't Wu to me:





Neil perry is one of my favorite screamo bands... this album which is a split release with the band Joshua fit for battle, another awesome set of songs, a bit less ambient though i'd say so maybe not as wu like... the whole album holds up... the selection of songs that start this album by the band neil perry... this shit has always made me feel the same way as listening to wu... something is fucking wrong, but i'm fucking high... i don't get that when listening to the band pg. 99. i believe there is something ambient about the guitar in this that reminds me of Wu... i don't expect everyone to get this, but i've observed people on the internet that have playlists that are similar:

 
this is the most wu tang like rush song... lol:




something about rush gives me a bit more hope than a lot of the stuff i posted... but it's spacey and bizarre as shit.. most of subdivisions has the feel of wu tang where i feel concerned.
 
i don't know how clearly i'm seperating my posting about that some what aggressive Cat Power song "we all die" with O.D.B's song "raw hide"... i don't think either of those songs really have what i'd probably consider the same ambient appeal as what i'm trying to talk about in this thread. neither song has the instrumentation of feel i'm trying to observe. i think the songs might have the same theme, but they are felt differently ime, however both super mystifying.

after posting in this thread today, i laid back and let you tube play at random for about an hour... i was thinking about how a lot of the band Polvo which i talk about in the first post of this thread isn't really that dark Wu tang feel. the song i posted definitely has similar keyboards, but Polvo necessarily isn't the same as wu tang to me with a lot of their stuff... when i was laying back, a few nirvana songs came on, and i have to say that although nirvana and wu tang might have a lot of the same things, i don't think nirvana has the same ambient appeal as wu tang. both of them are good, but i don't know if it's the same... i think a lot of grunge fans probably are into wu tang, i don't feel like a lot of grunge really has the same bizarre ambient feel as the music i'm posting in this thread. i love grunge. i get something out of it, but it's not really the same vibe. i get a few different vibes through out the grunge thing, but it's not the same as this wu music i'm posting.



i said in the first post of this thread that i'd recommend almost any fan of rock to listen to Polvo. if you checked out entire rock albums from bush to white zombie and were into rush, i'd definitely recommend the newest 2009 album In Prism by polvo. most of polvo's music doesn't have a standard guitar rock feel, but the there are some pretty standard familiar sounding rock songs/soloing where the chords are kind of adjusted to sound a bit deeper than the the standard power chords in most rock music, but unlike polvo's early music the rock solos hold up. there is something advanced about Polvo's guitar sound, and it really comes together on their 2009 to meet up with the standard rock/blues sound most people expect.. older polvo is some bizarre shit. the 2009 polvo album "in prism" truely is feel good rock shit with a lot of hope. i think it has serious ambient appeal like a lot of music in this thread, but it's not really dark and doesn't have that bizarre lack of hope the music i post through out this thread has.... i post about nirvana's lack of ambient appeal. i think they have a lot of the disdain of wu tang, but it's not the same vibe. Nirvana uses a lot of power chords. the pop punk band Osker's track i post above uses a lot of power chords just like nirvana. i don't think it has a lot of ambient appeal. something about the music will still wash over me though.




here's my favorite polvo song... i think it's some what the same vibe as Wu, but there is a sense of power and overcoming that i don't hear in Wu tang. i like to feel both ways. the riffs in this polvo track kind of remind me of the same vibe as "fade to black" by metallica's guitar solo with the acoustic underneith it.. idk, i'm pretty sure the notes move in the same direction. i always felt like the intro to "fade to black" was tremendously powerful. i think the movement of the guitar in this polvo song is quite similar, but played in a different key. it's not really as high pitch. this polvo song is definitely disturbing, but idk, it's not quite Wu tang darkness:




^^^^^this song doesn't necessarily fit the vibe of this thread imo... there is a lot of hatred and giving up in wu tang. i hear a lot of forgiveness in this polvo track... idk, not really standard rock at all... check out the 2009 polvo album "in prism" if you want to hear some unique tunings that still retain a some what rock/blues feel. In Prism is definitely indie rock, but the soloing and riffs are pretty rock and roll/blues.. like if you liked everything from nirvana and green day to metal to classic rock, which a lot of people do, i really think you'd find something at least some what redeemable in polvo.....


i also want to say i don't really listen to a lot of this music while tripping... it's too emotional.... this is stuff i enjoy in my sober times or just smoking weed... with how i perceive it, it can have pretty dark vibes... i don't know if people would notice if i didn't point this out....... .. ... .......


anyways, i've been posting a lot on BL lately... prob gonna take a break and not do my weird artsy posting for a while.. i always say that and then start up again a few weeks later.. how i would comment about music on Blue light gives me some perspective about how i want to write my review and biography that i'm doing for my website reviewing music and life as a whole... it reminds me to be more specific and sobers me to realize that not everybody is gonna get, relate to, or like what i have to say. i'm probably getting a lot of TL,DR and IDC.. i think some people would totally get this thread very easily but also the sounds i'm hearing might not add up with what i'm saying the stuff is about to everyone., and what i'm saying might not be true. there is a feeling i've always got though... .. i think if most people take enough time picking apart this thread, they'd start to realize that i'm making some musical similarities which can be objectively heard, but what i'm saying about the emotions might not be absolute..



some dark ass shit from the 80's is a few songs by Til Tuesday... similar synth appeal as wu tang to me:






 
no one even has to comment about it, but i know if you like wu tang and the intro to fade to black by metallica, you are gonna be into polvo's vibracobra, and they are heavily over looked... i'm doing some one a favor at some point in time with this thread. lol
 
They're OK to listen to, but it just reminds me of many of the bands that tried to make it in the '90s.
 
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They're OK to listen to, but it just reminds me of many of the bands that tried to make it in the '90s.
i could see that polvo song lagging in pace to some people, and some of the guitar notes are also bizarre in a detuned pitch that some one might notice.... i don't find the song lags in pace at all, and i love everything about the notes... the cool harmonics and the three note bass line toward the end is probably what has the most ambient appeal... i could see some people being offended i compare it to "Fade to black" by metallica. i'm pretty sure the hooks of the riff and solo go up in the same steps or in a similar way though. i could be wrong. the pitch of the guitar in polvo isn't really the metal or rock soloing pitch... there is a lot of standard soloing on the newest polvo album.

polvo tunes their guitars in ways that no one else does. they will be remembered historically beyond a lot of 90's bands... they used to play with sonic youth that also was kind of the first to do a lot of stuff on guitar that became popular, they were on the simpsons. there is a scene where i think they are stealing from peter frampton's cooler. i remember "sonic youths in my cooler" being said in the lalapalooza parody episode. it appears sonic youth also played the ending credits of the episide. sonic youth also toured with neil young and were on geffen records, so polvo is going to be known historically by playing with them. i think polvo probably could've been touring with neil young, but they weren't a particuarly good live band. they often played out of tune compared to what people expected of their recordings. i personally think they are a better guitar band than sonic youth... i love to mention polvo on the internet though.. every time someone posted random combinations of radio rock bands on reddit MusicSuggestions i would recommend them for about a year, until they said no more than one time recommending a band a month, so it started to drive me insane trying to pick who was most important to suggest to, so i stopped postsing.. lol

 
i feel pretty strongly about my descriptions in this thread. i've been going over and thinking about it for a while.


i think the pop punk songs i reference might be kind of obviously different to certain people. i didn't need to point that out... i think maybe instead of that osker song, i should've picked "i lied my face off" by the alkaline trio. alkaline trio is a band that tom delong from blink 182 claims to be a big fan of.. alkaline trio is known amongst most to be darker pop punk than most... that drexel song with the boy on the cover wins as the most bizarre dark and wu tang like pop punk song in existence....

i'm not sure where i was going posting that osker track "alright"... just trying to give an example of pop punk that didn't have the same ambient thing going on i guess. i'm a huge fan of that song though. just doesn't fit the Wu.. dunno why i didn't post it...


vibracobra by polvo is pretty Wu... idk. for me to say that "katy song" by red house painters is more of a Wu feel is pretty fucking weird imo... it's kind of about the bad trip being good... can't even handle that shit on psychedelics.
 
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